Tonight 9-11-05 DISC CH: 9-11 Flight 93 "The Flight that Fought Back"

[Klimmer]

Anyone going to watch this at 9pm EST/PST? I probably will only to see how they portray it all (lies and all).

I would like to see a list of the program presentation next to the actual truth, step by step, and side by side for the entire flight. I know they are going to white-wash it "9-11 Commission style", but someone out there in 9-11 Truth Movement world who knows all the ins and out of flight 93 could probably do this side by side comparison. I know more about the Pentagon and TWC towers collapsing than all the truth about UA flight 93.

Anyone up for this task?

By the way, I flew across country this summer (two ways) on UA from San Diego, CA - Dallas, TX - Jacksonville, FL. And then flew home via Charlotte, NC - Dallas, TX - San Diego, CA and posted in July my results here in DU/9-11 forum using a cell phone during the flight. My cell phone is a Kyocera 2135 model, approx. 2001/2002 year model. During the entire flight the cell phone would lose all signals and go into search mode as the jetliner got to approx. 3000' - 4000' feet of altitude within just a few minutes just after taking off from the runway, and would not get another signal until well within those same altitudes on the approach to landing. Again only a few minutes of time to even make a call taking-off or landing. A jet aircraft gets to that altitude within just a few minutes (30 seconds to 2 minutes depending on the climb rate and steepness of the take-off).

Some might speculate about my guessing altitudes, well I can tell you I fly paragliders often and I know I can fairly guess altitudes from about 0' to about 10,000' where I do most of my flying. True I didn't have an altimeter on the UA commercial flight, but it wouldn't have worked accurately anyway since they keep the cabin pressure at 35,000' at about 8,000' or lower during the entire flight.

So there you have it.

[philb]

1. For info on Fl 93 see the following summary link with documentation

http://www.flcv.com/offcom93.html

[Klimmer]

2. Thanks for the link. This orig. post was also placed in GD.

Here it is:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4737557

I've learned a great deal with these two links:
http://www.flcv.com/offcom93.html
http://www.flight93crash.com

For some reason I've paid more attention to the Pentagon and WTC tower collapses, but now I'm a great deal more informed about Flight UA 93. Thanks.

[vincent_vega_lives]

3. So what lies did you see? (n/t)

[John Doe II]

4. I only saw one image of the film

yet: An arab with a red bandana and a gun in his hand.
Please correct me if this image is not shown during the film.

While the gun is mentioned by Burnett it is officially stated by the CR that there was no gun. Another passenger explicitly said there was no bomb.
The red bandana is only reported by Glick and by nobody else.

As I said: I haven't seen the movie. Yet, I'm wondering how with all the contradictions in the calls the director can choose his version.

[vincent_vega_lives]

5. No it was

Yes the red bandana's were mentioned and shown in the film.

The movie explains that the gun may have been a toy or a fake.

Several passengers stated that the terrorists claimed there were bombs.

The "docu-drama" used taped phone conversations (all of them) cockpit voice recordings, (never released before) and interviews with most of the passenger's families.

I would see it before you comment on it.

[John Doe II]

6. Sure I agree

that I've to see it.
Yet, it doesn't change anything if the gun was fake or a toy. The problem remains that only Burnett mentions it. While one clearly states that there are no guns. Everybody don't mention anything.
Several passengers also describe the bomb.

Do you recall by any chance which taped phone conversations were used?
And how does the CVR ends: As the families claimed "Lift it up" or as the Commission claims with the decision of the hijackers (twice repeated) to finish it?
Thanks!