don't know if this has been posted

[Slit Skirt]

sorry if it's a dupe

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=106x23802

not copyrighted...pass it around freely and often

[vincent_vega_lives]

1. Never sure what this is supposed to indicate

Rodriguez, the last survivor of the North Tower, told of explosions emanating from the sub-level basement of the tower, prior to the plane striking the upper floors.

The buildings didn't collapse from the base up, quite the opposite.

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[Slit Skirt]

4. what are you talking about....?

firstly, I am not a CTer and really do not even know what that acronym stands for.

secondly, I was just bringing to the attention of the 9/11 group that there was another discussion going on else where

thirdly, there is more evidence to the explosions going off than just this article

your freeper alert, and tinfoil alert is doing overtime...kindly chill

[PerpetualYnquisitive]

5. Some more information about Mr. Rodriguez can be found...

http://911forthetruth.com & http://cinemar.com/keymaster.html

Hillary Clinton and Mr. Rodriguez.

http://imageshack.us>

[philb]

2. Firemen at WTC saw ground level explosions before towers fell

Stephen Gregory , Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.) flashes, explosions p 14
I know I was with an officer from Ladder 146, a Lieutenant Evangelista, who ultimately called me up a couple of days later just to find out how I was. We both for whatever reason -- again, I don't know how valid this is with everything that was going on at that particular point in time, but for some reason I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.

Q. Was that on the lower level of the building or up where the fire was?
A. No, the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw. And I didn't broach the topic to him, but he asked me. He said I don't know if I'm crazy,

FIREFIGHTER PATRICK MARTIN
WTC2
My lieutenant said he looked down at the first floor, and he could see the first floor of the south tower like exploding out. I looked up. I looked up, and the sky was filled with that debris cloud.

James Ippolito FDNY
WCT1
It looked like some kind of maybe a command post or something was there. I Started to walk towards it, and that's when the building came down. I heard an explosion and turned around and the building was coming down. At that point, we dropped everything we had. We started to run north on West Street. At that point, we were overcome with the cloud and it looked like -- felt a lot of wind again, got knocked down.


EMT JASON CHARLES FILE No. 9110486
WTC1 Ground level explosion before it fell
WE GET TO THE BACK WE DONT EVEN GET TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING WE START WALKING BACK THERE AND THEN I HEARD GROUND LEVEL EXPLOSION AND IM LIKE HOLY SHIT AND THEN YOU HEARD THAT TWISTING METAL WRECKAGE AGAIN THEN SAID SHIT AND EVERYBODY STARTED RUNNING

Police Lieutenant Michael Murphy Handwritten report. Pages 3&4 (pa-police-reports01.pdf pages 10-11) http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=38371
“…We came upon the NYPD Chief of Detectives with a couple of his men. They appeared to be appraising the situation. We proceeded past them and were within a block of WTC when a couple of loud explosions occurred in front of us.”

and the WTC1 building engineer gave the most details regarding the
basement explosions.

And post collapse cleanup noticed the missing foundation where the explosions took out part of the foundation.

[vincent_vega_lives]

6. That would be an interesting trick

I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.

Q. Was that on the lower level of the building or up where the fire was?
A. No, the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw. And I didn't broach the topic to him, but he asked me. He said I don't know if I'm crazy,

For explosions at the lower level of the building to initiate a collapse at the point of impact.

I don't doubt there were things happening on the ground floor involving fire, debris and loud noises that sounded like explosions, like from the elevator shafts and even bodies striking overhead awnings, which were said to cause very loud bangs.

[petgoat]

7. Bodies striking awnings don't cause flashes of light; a collapse at the

weakened part of the structure might well be intitiated by a lower-level
failure of the core columns.

[vincent_vega_lives]

8. NS Sherlock

I wasn't suggesting they did.

collapse at the weakened part of the structure might well be intitiated by a lower-level failure of the core columns.

Really? Care to explain that?