An intersting Able Danger Diary at dKos

[Old and In the Way]

Not sure if this has been posted, but I found it very interesting in light of the growing Abramoff scandal. Doesn't seem so far fetched to me....

Abramoff and Able danger: Why Atta's face was covered before 9/11 and Able danger dismantl
by lawnorder
Tue Sep 27th, 2005 at 01:10:28 PDT

There are lies, damn lies and statistics

I never believed LIHOP - the theory that The Bushies knew 9/11was coming and Let It Happen on Purpose... Because of that me and Sherlock Google bump heads here all the time.

But I gotta admit that lately he and others have amassed an impressive amount of evidence that the SOCOM and the Pro Bush Pentagon big wigs did indeed know about Able Danger and did NOT tell Clinton or investigate it themselves on the 8 months of Clinton-free friendly government they had before 9/11. On the contrary, the links dug out by them show pretty convincingly that evidence was destroyed and the task force disbanded. And that the same behavior continued after 9/11 even DURING the 9/11 task force.

Why go to all this trouble after 9/11 if they could have pinned it on Clinton like Curt Weldom attempted ? And why hide it so much nowadays, that Bush can literally get away with the murder of more than 1,000 in New Orleans ? Can there be an alternative explanation that doesn't include LIHOP ?

Gentleman, I present you Jack Abramoff, the missing link on Able Danger...........

More at link-

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/27/41028/0006

[JackRiddler]

1. I appreciate this guy's honesty at the end...

In a nutshell: Don't let the facts get in the way of my wishful thinking.

Why can't all believers in the Official Conspiracy Theory be this honest?

QUOTE:

"Why I don't believe LIHOP"

"Not that it doesn't make sense. It is just to horrific and painful to contemplate the possibility that we have in the White House people capable of letting a man made volcanic eruption shower New Yorkers with the ashes of 2,900 of their comrades. I just can't do it. To do so would fill me with so much worry and despair that I decided, consciously, to look the other way. I tell you this particular tidbit because I believe this is the reason so many Americans refuse to see any wrongs on Bush: It is just too painful and worrisome to face the possibility."

[Old and In the Way]

2. I found it a rather interesting diary for that reason, too.

It's like he's painting a very detailed picture, but when he steps back and looks at it, he really doesn't like where the big picture is leading....

I think he's sharing an internal dialogue that he's having with himself.

[pauldp]

3. People won't allow themselves to have a good cry. Too much to confront.

Basically that's why Bush is still in office. Emotional repression. People can't accept the horrid truth that a war mongering, unscrupulous silver spoon-fed idiot frat boy and his cabal of war criminal goons runs our government.

Go on everybody:

IT'S OK TO CRY!

When you're done join the fight.

[JackRiddler]

4. There is another extreme of course

Besides those who take an idealist view of the government as a democratic republic and of the system as pluralist, and who can't deal with the brutal and violent reality of government of the corporations, by the big lie, and for the bankers...

Many people are at the other extreme. They are used to the idea that governments are run by gangsters, and think regular folk had best accommodate themselves to the system however they can. It's pointless and from the invididual's perspective very stupid to fight what has always been and can't be changed. Such types (I've encountered many) won't be as resistant as the first category in seeing the real 9/11 evidence. At the same time, they will be dismissive along the lines of "you might find out in 50 years" "whatever is the case, there is nothing you can do about it" "it's best not to resist, you'll get in less trouble" etc. etc.

[seemslikeadream]

5. The Terrorist Who Came To The White House

Feb 2003 - Sami Al-Arian and seven other people were arrested in Tampa last week on charges of financing, organizing, and materially abetting Palestinian Islamic Jihad.. prosecutors laid out in some detail the role played by Al-Arian, a professor at the University of South Florida, as the terrorists' chief US operative

A résumé like that should have made Al-Arian radioactive -- the kind of person anyone with political ambitions or decent instincts would shun. So why in the world would he be treated as a friend and ally by -- of all people -- George W. Bush?

Why, for example, did Bush make a point of posing for pictures with Al-Arian and his family during a 2000 campaign stop in Tampa? Why was Al-Arian not only invited to a White House briefing given by Bush aide Karl Rove in June 2001 -- against the advice of the Secret Service -- but honored with a front-row seat? Why was his son Abdullah invited to yet another White House meeting a few days later? And when the Secret Service properly pronounced Abdullah a security risk and removed him from the building, why did Bush bend over backward to apologize and order his security staff and spokesman to issue apologies as well?

Sami Al Arian's friends in high places: Grover Norquist
On 10/23/2003 John Loftus attends Countdown with our favorite MSNBC man Olbermann

How could these guys operate for more than a decade immune from prosecution? And, the answer is coming out in a very strange place. What Alamoudi and al-Arian have in common is a guy named Grover Norquist. He's the super lobbyist. Newt Gingrich's guy, the one the NRA calls on, head of American taxpayers. He is the guy that was hired by Alamoudi to head up the Islamic institute and he's the registered agent for Alamoudi, personally, and for the Islamic Institute.

Grover Norquist's best friend is Karl Rove, the White House chief of staff, and apparently Norquist was able to fix things. He got extreme right wing Muslim people to be the gatekeepers in the White House. That's why moderate Americans couldn't speak out after 9/11. Moderate Muslims couldn't get into the White House because Norquist's friends were blocking their access.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/27/41028/0006

[seemslikeadream]

6. "Atta's Big Gamble. Plus: Jack Abramoff's Link To A Mysterious Saudi

THE BRAD BLOG: "Atta's Big Gamble. Plus: Jack Abramoff's Link To A Mysterious Saudi -- And Perhaps To Al Qaeda"

Guest blogged by Joseph Cannon

You have probably never heard of Makram Chams. It's time you met him.

Actually, you can't physically meet him -- he disappeared on September 11, 2001. I bring him to your attention for two reasons:


He knew, and apparently aided, Mohammed Atta and the other 9/11 terrorists.


He owned a casino ship in Florida.


Yes, a casino ship -- just like the SunCruz ships owned by Jack Abramoff, the recently-indicted Republican money-man and wheeler-dealer. According to Associated Press, the terrorists took a mysterious trip on a SunCruz ship on September 5, 2001. And that trip is of great interest for three reasons:


SunCruz ships were under investigation for involvement in money laundering and other unsavory activities.

Al Qaeda operatives made a number of mysterious casino jaunts in that era; few believe that they were hard-core gamblers.

Al Qaeda was funded by drug money. Drug money must needs be laundered. Casinos have been known to be used for that purpose. Casino ships are unregulated.


So with that background in mind, let's learn more about the mysterious Makram Chams (whose first name is sometimes transliterated as Meekram).

My information was kindly provided by the estimable Daniel Hopsicker, of Mad Cow Morning News. I'm trying to double check the Makram Chams story (which is mentioned on one of his documentary videos, but is not on his website) to the limited extent that I can.

Hopsicker learned from eyewitnesses -- including a cab driver who drove Atta on a number of occasions, and who told this story to the FBI -- that Atta frequently visited Makram Chams, a Lebanese who lived above a convenience store that he owned.

At one point, Chams asked the cab driver to take him to the Orlando Executive Airport. There, Chams picked up an Armani-suited Saudi businessman and his wife, who wore traditional Arab attire. The driver then took this party back to Chams' apartment. (After 9/11, the FBI reviewed surveillance tapes of this pick-up, which is how they learned of the driver.)

Weeks later, the same driver was asked to take the Saudi's wife back the airport. But now they were carrying extra luggage -- extremely heavy luggage. It was a chest so heavy that two men had to transport it. An intelligence source contacted by Hopsicker felt certain that this chest contained gold.

Chams was no mere convenience store operator. He co-owned (along with one other investor) a casino ship called Vegas-in-Venice. This ship attracted a fair amount of attention because it had been left illegally in the harbor for over a year. We have no word as to what happened to this ship, or how Chams paid for it. Was he a front man? Was the ship purchased by SunCruz?

After 9/11, Makram Chams disappeared, and his store remains shuttered.

Just like Welfare, Modern Medicine must end: 60 years of it and we still have illness in US

by lawnorder on Tue Sep 27th, 2005 at 07:40:44 PDT
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Follow/click links between SunCruz (none / 0)

and 911 guys.

Here's more info, see especially the second one (cached AP). Note, though everyone mentions Atta specifically, the original source AP story mentions only "some of the men suspected in the terrorist attacks", "two or three men linked to the Sept. 11 hijackings" and "manager recognized one of the suspected terrorists." - Video of that man given to FBI. Note that Atta's name is not mentioned. Still, it's amazing enough.

Some info here and especially -->> here (full text of original followup story by AP, Sep. 27, 2001).

AP Sep. 27 - On the Port Canaveral ship, the casino manager recognized one of the suspected terrorists as someone who may have frequented the vessel. Video of that man is being turned over to the FBI either later Wednesday or early Thursday.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/27/41028/0006


"3 arrested in gangland-style murder of Suncruz founder 'Gus' Boulis - Abramoff"

By CURT ANDERSON
Associated Press
Posted September 27 2005, 11:56 AM EDT


FORT LAUDERDALE -- Three men were charged with the 2001 gangland-style slaying of Miami businessman Konstantinos ``Gus'' Boulis, whose sale of a casino boat fleet to Jack Abramoff and a partner has led to federal charges against the prominent Washington lobbyist.

Anthony Ferrari was arrested at his North Miami Beach home Monday evening, Fort Lauderdale police said in a statement Tuesday. Fort Lauderdale homicide detectives arrested Anthony Moscatiello, 67, at his Howard Beach home in New York late Monday, police said.

Moscatiello and Ferrari, 48, were once paid by Adam Kidan, Abramoff's partner in the SunCruz Casinos sale, according to court documents in lawsuits filed about the sale.

Kidan paid Ferrari $95,000 when he was running SunCruz, but it is unclear what it was for, according to the documents. Kidan paid Moscatiello's daughter Jennifer $145,000 for his work as a food and beverage consultant at SunCruz, according to court documents.

Ferrari was being held at the Broward County Jail, sheriff's spokesman Jim Leljedal said. A third man, 28-year-old James Fiorillo, was arrested Tuesday in Palm Coast.

Moscatiello and Ferrari were charged with first-degree murder, conspiracy to commit murder and solicitation to commit murder, police said. Fiorillo was charged with first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder. All three were scheduled to appear in court either Tuesday or Wednesday.

more

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-927boulismurder,0,6594337.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

[Old and In the Way]

7. This might help explain why Able Danger was stuffed by the neo-cons.

So while we have American kids getting their blood shed in Iraq fighting "terror", the Republican Syndicate is making big money working with AQ donors here.

When do we get to apply the treason word to these criminals?

[philb]

8. Is there a good summary of what is known about Able Danger?

And likewise to the 19 alleged hijackers connections to FBI,CIA, military training, etc. in the past?


I saw a pretty comprehensive document like that a long time ago.
Was Ahmed ? the source of that, the UK think tank guy?

[JackRiddler]

9. Compilations

I put together a full text archive of 24 stories and commentaries through Sept. 3, 2005, then built an analysis including "10 salient points about Able Danger." Start here:

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050830191215604

(Surveillance of alleged hijackers by CIA, Mossad, German authorities is largely covered in there; not however much about their connnections to military training, etc. in the past.)*

A further collection of articles on key developments since:

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050923145011946

9/11 Citizens' Watch has been linking to almost EVERY Able Danger story (including many commentaries) fast as they've come out, for the latest 10 or so start right on their front page:

http://www.911citizenswatch.org/

Or from here:

http://www.911citizenswatch.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=688

* For a starter links compilation on that see http://summeroftruth.org/ let it load and do a "find text" for the phrase "hijacker oddities" (apologies, I plan to improve navigation on this site).

[seemslikeadream]

10. JackRiddler have ya seen this thread?

linking Abramoff with ABLE DANGER

note post # 18 especially


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1809114

[JackRiddler]

11. Just saw it yesterday

Still too tenuous. Alleged hijackers and party animals were on a casino boat that is part-owned by Abramoff. Which proves?

SunCruz also involved in money laundering and other suspicious deals (a casino?! be still my heart).

I was at Trump's a couple of times. Does this connect me to the Donald?

Need something more solid than this to establish an Atta-Abramoff connection. Right now, it consists of wishful thinking. (I'd love it too!)

I thought Hopsicker's first piece on Able Danger was very, very good and I did include it in the "commentaries" section of my compilation (which is getting out of date, sigh).

Nicholas