Must-see interview with Winfield

[Kevin Fenton]

Click on the link entitled "CNN's Barbara Starr talks with Brig. Gen. Montague Winfield about September 11, 2001 (September 11)" about a third of the way down in the middle in the "How it Happened Section".

He drives a coach and horses through the official account.
The report says that they knew of the hijacking of United 93 from 9:40 at least, that Cheney gave the shootdown order before it crashed and that fighters were searching "frantically" for it from 9:40. They don't even mention the "brave passengers" story - they just got the shootdown order, then the wreckage is found!

The video is a bit moody, if it doesn't work first time, keep trying.

[Twist_U_Up]

1. Pssst............

got a link ?

[Kevin Fenton]

2. Ooops, sorry

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2002/america.remembers/video.html

[Kevin Fenton]

3. Transcript

I can't get the video to play any more, so here's a transcript.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0209/07/nac.00.html

The Winfield bit starts when Barbara Starr comes on.

Some of the relevant quotes:
"STARR: Brigadier General Montague Winfield was in command of the military's worldwide nerve center that morning..."

"WINFIELD: NORAD ordered all aircraft to battle stations and combat ready. It was like hitting a hornet's nest with a stick."

"STARR: It is now 9:40, and one very big problem is out there: United Airlines Flight 93 has turned off its transponder. Officials believe it is headed for Washington, D.C."

"WINFIELD: That is almost the exact same scenario that the other three hijackings had followed."

"STARR: Fighter aircraft begin searching frantically. On a secure phone line, Vice President Cheney tells the military it has permission to shoot down any airliners threatening Washington."

"WINFIELD: If you can imagine for a split second or two there was complete silence in the NMCC as the impact of those words sunk in."

"STARR: Minutes later, the wreckage of Flight 93 is spotted in Pennsylvania."

[theSaiGirl]

4. Disinformation of the worst sort....

STARR: Brigadier General Montague Winfield was in command of the military's worldwide nerve center that morning, the center's logbook a record of the opening moments of the war: 8:48, first plane hits the World Trade Center; 9:02, second explosion at the World Trade Center; at 9:38, American Airlines Flight 77 slams into the Pentagon.

We are expected to believe that NORAD was "unprepared" and had not ALREADY had plenty of time to scramble ....

So that a big fat commerical jet, the mythical Flight 77, somehow flew in from Ohio, evaded NORAD's continental grid (not to mention the grid over DC), FORTY MINUTES AFTER the 2nd "attack" (South Tower "hit"), and slammed into the Pentagon at 9:38 ???
!!!!!!!!!
Please ... insult our intelligence some more...

According to the official "timeline":
At 8:20 Flight 11's transponder signal ceased
At 8:42 Flight 175 switched off its transponder

Indeed, by their own official timeline, the FAA and NORAD knew we had at least two alleged "hijackings", well before the alleged "first hit" on the North Tower !!!

What a transparent load of BS !!!

But that's ok ... chalk it all up to a "failure of the imagination" - as Kean and Hamilton told us after their "9/11 Commission" dog-and-pony show.
It was just "incompetence".
(So, that very same week, they applauded the performance of Rumsfeld, confirmed Gen. Myers as head of the JSC, and promoted NORAD Generals Eberhart and Arnold ... as a reward for their play-acting.)
"We never expected it. We were unprepared."
That's why we need MORE surveillance, MORE "Patriot Act" dismantling of the Constitution.

Just move on folks ... nothing to see here...

Which is WHY THEY DIDN'T NEED REAL "PLANES"....
It was easier to just fake the whole "hijacker" scenario, blow up the Towers (and WTC7, at 5:30 that evening), pop a missile into the Pentagon at 9:38 ....
and use their control of the "newsrooms" at CNN, FOX and MSNBC to broadcast manufactured propaganda so we could all "see" what happened.

Because they were confident and arrogant enough to know that a dumbed-down clueless American population would swallow this kind of implausible drivel.

Thanks, Kevin Fenton, for giving us Gen. Winfield's staged interview .. to hammer home just how dumb they think we are.

[Kevin Fenton]

5. If you want to believe in holograms...

...then please feel free to believe in them, but could I ask you to get the basic facts right on occasion. For example:

You wrote "We are expected to believe that NORAD was "unprepared" and had not ALREADY had plenty of time to scramble ...."
Actually, NORAD had already scrambled five planes by this time.

You wrote "So that a big fat commerical jet, the mythical Flight 77, somehow flew in from Ohio, evaded NORAD's continental grid (not to mention the grid over DC), FORTY MINUTES AFTER the 2nd "attack" (South Tower "hit"), and slammed into the Pentagon at 9:38 ???"
The times Montague uses are the times NORAD logged events. The actual times are 9:03 and 9:37, so the gap is 34 minutes. You were out by six minutes. If you think your argument is a good one, why do you feel the need to exaggerate?

You wrote "According to the official "timeline"
"At 8:20 Flight 11's transponder signal ceased"
"At 8:42 Flight 175 switched off its transponder"
9/11 CR: "8:21: Transponder is turned off." Well done, you were only out by a minute.
9/11 CR: "8:47: Transponder code changes" They didn't turn it off at all. (p. 32) You got it completely wrong.

"blow up the Towers (and WTC7, at 5:30 that evening)"
"The precisely vertical collapse of WTC 7 at 5:20 on the afternoon of September 11th, 2001,"
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/wtc7.html

[theSaiGirl]

6. re: Nico Haupt's insights on COINTELPRO methods

Apparently, Nico sniffed out the COINTELPRO approach to handling this topic's threads and then was banned from DU as a consequence.
Here are his remarks again...

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Another obscure element at DU:
LARED and Kevin Fenton do not attack each other, though LARED is the most aggressive opponent of "controlled demolition",
'Fenton' is not but still supports the official hijacker-boxcutter myth of 9/11.
Both are governmental assets, working in a tandem to keep the troll activity busy over there, while in reality being a "daisy committee", hidden by an IP address, which can be shared by multiple operatives.
All other trolls in DU's 9/11 section are 'useful idiots', who also hide their real identities, while i was active in public, as co-founder of ny911truth.org, which was later infiltrated by COINTELPRO assets and intelligence infiltrated clusters as well.
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Whatever one thinks of Nico personally, he certainly has the ability to sniff out the methods used by COINTELPRO.

Basically, the strategy is to "debunk" from two angles at once:

1) Prop up the official fantasy first ("19 crazed hijackers with boxcutters, masterminded by a dialysis patient from a cave in lower Afghanistan) ... and defend it fanatically (the "LARED" daisy ring).

2) From the "opposite" angle, keep testing and promoting various versions of the modified limited hangout ..... which keeps backpedaling and morphing into one diversion or another, setting up straw-man arguments, rehashing old material until people are driven away by boredom and confusion and frustration (the "Kevin Fenton" handle).

Meanwhile, just spread chaos and confusion, while continuing to inject periodic appeals to people's wishful thinking, by arguing for "incompetence" or "failure"

The last gambit by "Kevin Fenton" - promoting the Starr-Winfield scripted interview, produced at CNN's Psy-ops Central - - pretty much shows how intellectually dishonest they are getting, as they scramble around to find yet more obstacles to a clear understanding of 9/11 MIHOP.

Looks like the trolls are running out of ammo .. doesn't it ?

Since 9/11 MIHOP, with the controlled media playing a central role, is really a pretty simple basic concept to grasp.

All one has to do is look at the verifiable evidence of "controlled demoliton" (as Prof. Steve Jones, Morgan Reynolds and the folks at "Scholars for 9/11 Truth" have done so well) ..
and put it together with "MASS MEDIA PSY-0P".

Which is really key to understanding 9/11 as only one link in a continuous chain of false-flag synthetic terror ..

from the original FBI-staged 1993 bombing of the WTC (expedited by their well-placed confidential informant Salem) ..

to the Oklahoma City bombing of the Murrah Building, an operation staged by the BATF annex at Elohim City (informants Carol Howe and Andreas Strassmeier working with patsy McVeigh)

to the "shock and awe" of 9/11 .....
and its accelerating successor black-ops in Bali, Madrid, London, Amman ... and, in all likelihood, ....

the latest "event":
Bombing the Great Golden Mosque in Samarra, clearly intended to stage a "civil war" scenario in Iraq; yet still more programmed chaos designed to keep people in "shock and awe", while providing the pretext for further balkanizing and plundering Iraq.

What are they planning to do to us next ?
That's the question we should all be talking about.
Instead of wasting our time digging through more mounds of disinfo and programmed media psy-op.

My guess is, that they are going to stage something engineered to justify moving on Iran, to pre-empt or sabotage the opening of their new oil-bourse, which will probably kill off whatever confidence is left in the rapidly eroding US dollar.

Or, perhaps a manufactured "bird flu" epidemic, or something like it, to justify the kind of martial law, forced evacuations to FEMA camps, confiscation of privately held firearms, and general police-state measures that we witnessed in New Orleans, in the aftermath of Katrina.

That's why I track ongoing developments at my favorite site:
http://team8plus.org/news.php

[Kevin Fenton]

7. Hey LARED!

Are you a governmental asset too? I thought it was just me, Hack and Woody here. How much are you on?

[jschurchin]

9. Hey, aren't you forgetting some people......

like Greyl, Sabbat and probably me too. Oh yeah don't forget Christophera, Sammo, rrman and Hamden.

Hey, my paymaster just called, gotta go.

[theSaiGirl]

8. Disinfo trolling - How they mire us in irrelevance

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"Kevin Fenton":
You wrote "We are expected to believe that NORAD was "unprepared" and had not ALREADY had plenty of time to scramble ...."
Actually, NORAD had already scrambled five planes by this time.
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My post actually said:
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"We are expected to believe that NORAD was "unprepared" and had not ALREADY had plenty of time to scramble ....
So that a big fat commerical jet, the mythical Flight 77, somehow flew in from Ohio, evaded NORAD's continental grid (not to mention the grid over DC), FORTY MINUTES AFTER the 2nd "attack" (South Tower "hit"), and slammed into the Pentagon at 9:38 ???
!!!!!!!!!
Please ... insult our intelligence some more..."
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Notice how "Kevin" quotes out of context and truncates ...
He knows I was referring specifically to their bogus claim of "failure" to scramble IN TIME TO PROTECT THE PENTAGON ...
So he removes the context. Transparently dishonest.
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More nit-picking sophistry from "Kevin Fenton":
"The times Montague uses are the times NORAD logged events. The actual times are 9:03 and 9:37, so the gap is 34 minutes. You were out by six minutes. If you think your argument is a good one, why do you feel the need to exaggerate?"
....... and again ....
9/11 CR: "8:21: Transponder is turned off." Well done, you were only out by a minute.
9/11 CR: "8:47: Transponder code changes" They didn't turn it off at all. (p. 32) You got it completely wrong.
........ and yet again ...
"blow up the Towers (and WTC7, at 5:30 that evening)"
"The precisely vertical collapse of WTC 7 at 5:20 on the afternoon of September 11th, 2001,"
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Of course, all I did was post the literal quotations from the same Starr-Winfield "MUST SEE" interview that "Kevin Fenton" trolled with originally !!
He posts a link to a "MUST SEE" scripted interview from CNN Psy-Os Central;
I take it apart and discredit it by using the patent absurdities and lies within its own content ....
and the best that "Kevin Fenton" can do is post yet-more disinformation from some "new reliable source" , which, apparently is more valid than the
original disnfo source HE ORIGINALLY POSTED !!

And WTF difference does it make whether they blew up WTC7 at "5:30 that evening" or "5:20 on the afternoon of September 11th".
To descirbe that little gem as a "difference without significance" would be rendundant.

This would be funny, if the implications weren't so pathetically tragic.

Tell us right now, "Kevin Fenton" ..
Who are you really working for ?
No one could be out here spending so much time and effort to sow disinfo "chaos and confusion" without a monetary motive.
Why would they wilfully make themselves look so ridiculous ?

Or better yet folks, what are we really doing here at this DU thtead anyway ?
Wiping the perpetually runny noses and fetid asses of trolls ?

9/11 activism shouldn't be just another "discussion topic" for "authentic" Democrats.
It should be dead center ... Right on the front page.
The mere fact that they marginalize this "topic" and bury it among a list of distractive "discussion topics" is evidence enough of what role the thoroughly corrupted Democratic Party hack-apparat is assigned to play in the war on freedom.
If we get too wide an audience, they'll just eliminate the topic altogther. Meanwhile, I have to wonder if it's really worth the time.

Think I'll log off for today.
I am no longer amused.
It's gotten boring..

Going to check out Greg Nixon and see what new public actions the real 9/11 activists are planning...

[Kevin Fenton]

10. Kevin Fenton - miring you in irrelevance

You must forgive me - I'll only respond to the points I felt were lucid after reading them twice.

You write: "Notice how "Kevin" quotes out of context and truncates ...
He knows I was referring specifically to their bogus claim of "failure" to scramble IN TIME TO PROTECT THE PENTAGON ... "
I reviewed your initial post (number 4) and found that the words "IN TIME TO PROTECT THE PENTAGON" are remarkable for their absence. I'm not a mind-reader, perhaps you would care to me more specific in the future.

"nit-picking"? You were off by 15% (34 minutes versus 40). Even NIST does better than that sometimes.

"Of course, all I did was post the literal quotations from the same Starr-Winfield "MUST SEE" interview that "Kevin Fenton" trolled with originally !!"
I reviewed the transcript. Contrary to what you claim, it contains no times for the transponders going off in either American 11 or United 175. It merely states that United 93's transponder was switched off by 9:40. Further, it doesn't mention WTC 7 at all, let alone get the time it collapsed wrong. I find your assertions utterly bizarre and demonstrably incorrect. Why are you making them?

You write: "Who are you really working for?"
At the moment nobody, during the day, my clients.

You write: "No one could be out here spending so much time and effort to sow disinfo "chaos and confusion" without a monetary motive."
Well, how much are you getting then?

You write: "Why would they wilfully make themselves look so ridiculous?"
I thought you could tell me that.

You write: "Or better yet folks, what are we really doing here at this DU thtead anyway?"
I had hoped we would discuss whether the official account of United 93 held any water. You appear to have other intentions.

"Wiping the perpetually runny noses and fetid asses of trolls?"
People, can't we just get along.