Experts Call for Releases of 9/11 Evidence - Joins Judicial Watch

[TNOE]

When it rains it pours - and that's a good thing. Thank God for really good American Patriots who are not going to let this story die.

Experts Call for Release of 9/11 Evidence
http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20060301/bs_prweb/prweb352979_1

PRWEB) - Duluth, MN (PRWEB) March 1, 2006 -- A society of experts and scholars has now joined with Judicial Watch in calling for release of videos that are being held by the Department of Defense, which are essential to understanding events at the Pentagon that transpired on September 11, 2001. Scholars for 9/11 Truth, which is dedicated to exposing falsehoods and establishing truths about the events of 9/11, has gone beyond Judicial Watch by calling for the release of other films and evidence that, its officers maintain, are essential to understanding 9/11.

"It is outrageous that the government is withholding this vital information", said James H. Fetzer, founder and co-chair of the society. "This concerns one of the monstrous events of our time and deserves to be in the public domain." The group, whose members include such prominent figures as David Ray Griffin, Morgan Reynolds, John McMurtry, Wayne Madsen, Robert Bowman, Webster Tarpley, and Andreas von Buelow, has been speaking out against what its own research suggests has been complicity by elements of the administration in the crime.

They are calling for immediate release of the full Pentagon surveillance tape as well as video tapes seized by FBI agents minutes after the Pentagon hit; a complete inventory of the plane wreckage and debris from Flights 11, 77, 93, 175 or any other aircraft that crashed or was destroyed on September 11, 2001, including, but not limited to their location (whether warehoused or otherwise), catalog of photographs and videotapes taken of any items from the planes, and results of all tests and examinations conducted concerning any of these items.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

1. Yes! Thank you for posting this! Recommended! eom

[gordianot]

2. This is the most important story of the Century to date.

The Pentagon crash discrepancies are a Rosetta Stone for the Bush mis administration. This could well be the top crime committed on American soil, and allowing access to the evidence should answer all questions. Future generations will ask why this was not released much sooner.

Keep this on the General Discussion page.

[bronco2121]

56. sooner

>>Future generations will ask why this was not released much sooner.

the question i'm asking is - why now? why is judicial watch filing this lawsuit now, on the eve of the public release anyhow of the impact footage - why?

i filed my flight 77 FOIA lawsuit a year ago - as soon as possible from the date of the the appeal. why did judicial watch wait 6 or 9 months?

the video is going to be released regardless of judicial watch's lawsuit. it will automatically be made public when the prosecutors show it to the jury in the moussaoui sentencing trail happening right now. this can happen any day.

i smell a RAT.

also, i think it's foolish that we as a community need to look up to organizations to file our FOIA lawsuits for us. there's 50+ other FOIA lawsuits that should be cooking right now. i count two - judicial watch's and mine.

just a little rant. sorry to offend if so.

b.

[Lochloosa]

3. I will K/R this but....

it will never be released.

[appilette]

4. Coming from England my for my two pence worth

I don't believe it happened. But the Building was so worn out it had to be knocked down.

See the back page (go) on http://buzy.bravehost.com/actualsize and press the Bucket.

[gordianot]

6. Relegated for all time to the same vault with John Kennedy's brain.

[bronco2121]

57. it's happening now

prosecutors in the moussaoui sentencing trial (which is a public trial) are going to try to shock the jury into delivering the death sentence by showing them the never before seen footage of flight 77 impacting the pentagon.

when they show the video, that's the ball game.

it could happen monday. or in 3 months. dunno when. but it will be news.

b.
flight77.info

PS the *conservative* watchdog group over at judicial watch don't mention the stated fact that the video will be shown at the trial. i wonder why they don't know.

[acmejack]

5. Until they give it up, I will be a Tin hatter

and with damned good reason. In fact I will consider anyone who thinks that all of this is just a gigantic string of lapses, coincidences and anomalies a denier of the obvious.

[lumpy]

40. Kick

nt

[TNOE]

7. The best part is

before 9/11 Bush was on vacation;
he had warnings he never acted on and did nothing.

Then Condi Rice comes out (nearly in tears after the New York Post (was it the New York Post?) aricle claiming BUSH KNEW)and said

NO ONE COULD HAVE IMAGINED AIRPLANES FLYING INTO BUILDINGS.

When in fact it not only had been imagained, but warned against study after study. In fact, that very exercise was being done that day - on 9/11.

On Katrina, Bush was on vacation;
he had obvious numerous warnings and did nothing.

The Bush comes out and says

NO ONE COULD HAVE IMAGINED THE LEVEES BREAKING.

When in fact it not only had been imagined, but warned against and study after study was done.

NOW - ARE PEOPLE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE 2 TOGEHTER?

[soulcore]

33. Could not imagine?

They were running drills THAT MORNING with simulated hijacking AND a simulated plane crash at the Pentagon.

[EVDebs]

8. I'm really curious about WTC-7 and other discrepancies

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=75&contentid=2141

also why the wargames and Ptech scandal are being swept under the carpet.

'Pull WTC 7'
http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html

[Kansas Wyatt]

10. WTC 7 is the smoking gun

It was not hit by any plane, so there was no aircraft fuel there to allegedly fuel any mysterious fire there, hot enough to melt the building steel in accordance with their rational on the towers.

[EVDebs]

17. Ptech and wargames are also 'smoking guns'

FBI shut down investigation into Saudi terror cell in Boston
http://www.madcowprod.com/mc4512004.html

and

Wargames by US military on 9-11
http://www.oilempire.us/wargames.html

are ignored by MSM. Ptech had access to FAA and National Airspace Systems Agency (NAS) computers. This is the template for what will inevitably happen again with Dubai Ports World, but that's another day.

Indira Singh is the Ptech whistleblower. It seems, too, that the sheer number of whistleblowers on 9-11 related matters ultimately will blow the cover this administration has had for the past few years.

"You can fool some of the people some of the time, but..."

[mom cat]

18. And lets not forger the molten metal at the bases of the towers five weeks

later! It is doubtful that the steel where the planes hit was hot enough to bend, buch less melt. So, where did the molten metal come from that was below ground level, if not from the explosions that were heard by people on the scene at the start of the dramatic demolitions.

[Name removed]

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[mom cat]

25. Way too many inconsistancies.

[CJCRANE]

9. 9/11 opened the Pandora's Box

onto the crazy world we have today.

It's time to find out what really happened.

[tomp]

30. no. the 2000 election theft did it. nt

[biscotti]

11. thanks for posting this

Something has always bothered me. Immediately after, within 2-3 days, there was a panel of distinguished structural architects and engineers on C-SPAN discussing the destruction. They were planning an in-depth study of the remains of the buildings. They could not understand why are how the structures failed so dramatically. It seems like on the following day one of them was talking about the clean up and that all remains would be loaded on trucks and taken to barges that were waiting to take it all away. They were mortified that they would not be allowed to have access to the evidence. I would love to hear from them again.
Does anyone else remember this event on CSPAN?

[TNOE]

13. I didn't catch it then

Frankly, as embarrassing as it is - I wasn't even aware of C-SPAN until the 2004 elections (thanks to Will Pitt) - BUT there have been numerous articles written by expert pilots who say planes could not have been flown that way, numerous articles written by demolotion experts saying it was a controlled demolition and numerous articles written by professors and experts in general saying there is no way the 9/11 story works. And it doesn't, not when you give it a few minutes thought.

Once again, this administration has underestimated the intelligence of the American public.

[Demand Justice]

12. Thanks for posting

"It is outrageous that the government is withholding this vital information", said James H. Fetzer

The people on CSI would have gotten to the bottom of this crime already. Aren't the bushies the least bit curious as to why our fighter jets didn't intercept, or say how the towers came down when the few small fires were about out? Doesn't Bush watch TV?

[jus_the_facts]

23. They changed standard operating procedure about scrambling military jets..

....prior to 9/11...and they didn't scrable any jets until after the Pentagon was *hit*.

http://www.standdown.net/FAAstandardinterceptprocedures.htm

'Procedures for Handling Airspace Matters,' Effective Date: December 7, 2000
(Includes Change 1, effective July 7, 2001), Chapter 14-1-2. Full text posted at:

http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/AIR/air1401.html#14-1-2FAA

[file83]

14. What is the Government trying to hide, their involvement?

Afterall, if 9/11 went down the way they say it did, then what possible harm would come from them releasing the video tapes of the "plane" hitting the Pentagon?

Answer: The only reason they could have for hiding it is to cover-up evidence to the contrary of the official story.

[joeunderdog]

51. Wanna be even more horrified? check this out...

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php#Main

It'll even make your Republican counterparts nauseous.

[i miss america]

15. Thanks for posting this ... k & r

Check out this video...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=psP_9RE0V2I

:wow:

[ClayZ]

16. Wow! Maybe that will wake up "we the people"!

[FreedomAngel82]

19. Just like those audio tape's

[Just Me]

20. The mere fact they're concealing this evidence makes me suspicious.

Why the hell would they do that? There is no rational basis for withholding this information unless they have something horrible to hide. Why wouldn't any normal person be suspicious under the circumstances?
:shrug:

[bronco2121]

59. not withholding, per se

they hold on to what they got. you can call that withholding or concealing - it's just govt i-got-it stuff. so they got-it. the only reason this is coming out 4 years later is IT'S TAKEN US 4 YEARS TO GET OFF OUR ASSES TO PROPERLY ASK. and judicial watch is way behind the curve with their lawsuit - why didn't they file their lawsuit when they were allowed to, 6 months ago?

don't get me started on judicial watch - they're a conservative political organization funded by some sketchy people.

anyway, it takes us - you and i to get this stuff from the government because that's what it takes. you don't need judicial watch to come to the rescue. you just need yourself to care enough to try to uncover evidence that supports your suspicions. we're the investigators. and the best part about it is it's easy and fun. it gives you a good stoked feeling. what's better than that?

b.
flight77.info

[Mnemosyne]

21. Wow, almost 4 hours and still in GD, will miracles

never cease?!:applause:

[stickdog]

22. Free the 9/11 evidence! (nt)

[KAT119]

26. David Ray Griffin's brilliant epose' of WH 9/11 COVERUP

is: 'The 9/11 Commission Report Omissions and Distortions'. It's all there and more. Clear- indictable!!- BushCabal culpability!

[eek]

27. have any of you seen the Loose Change docu?

http://www.loosechange911.com/

<<"Loose Change 2nd Edition" is the follow-up to the most provocative 9-11 documentary on the market today.

This film shows direct connection between the attacks of September 11, 2001 and the United States government.

Evidence is derived from news footage, scientific fact, and most important, Americans who suffered through that tragic day.

IT IS EVERYONE'S duty TO VIEW THIS FILM! >>

Just wondering.

[eek]

28. and this interview with an EMT who tells of explosions etc

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02/911-rescuer-saw-explosions-inside-wtc.html

February 10, 2006
9/11 Rescuer Saw Explosions Inside WTC 6 Lobby

In an exclusive Killtown interview, Ground Zero EMT Patricia Ondrovic talks about her harrowing day at the WTC on 9/11. Within minutes after the South Tower collapses, she witnessed the WTC 5 blowing up, cars exploding, and explosions inside the lobby of the WTC 6, all the while narrowly escaping with her own life. Patricia can be reached at: [e-mail]

[mirandapriestly]

52. Yeah, that's amazing! nt

[farmbo]

29. Release them you arrogant bastards! If they show a 757,we'll shut up!

On the other hand, If you don't release them, the supposition must be that it was a Tomahawk missile. Probably one of our own.

[Just Me]

31. What the hell are they afraid of? Why are they determined to conceal,...

,...these things from us? Who, precisely, has determined the American public SHALL be shielded from this evidence and why?

Why?

[bronco2121]

58. cuz...

not too romantic, but they don't like to share what they have. and the govt isn't in the business of sharing what they got with the public. it's not like they're KEEEPING it from us - they just don't HAVE to give it over. so they'll claim everything is under investigation if they can. until a judge says 'hand it over' then they hand it over. people in govt, rather - most people in govt, care more about going out in adam's morgan on a friday night that all of our crazy ponderings about conspiracies. they're too 'dumb' and too big to care. we give them too much credit.

that being said - the video will be released shortly. they're showing it to the moussaoui jury to shock them into delivering the death sentence. this could happen any time within the next few months as jury selection is now over. it's a public trial - public showing of the video.

b
flight77.info

PS judicial watch don't know squat about what's going on with the moussaoui trail and the flight 77. they're just trying to be super whatever the hell they are in an attempt to gain some recognition after the video is realeased anyway. they're pulling this FOIA off the shelf and dusting it off for some reason i don't know.

[hang a left]

35. Oh no we won't shut up.

Although there is lots of circumstantial evidence on both sides of this controversy, the smoking gun is the demolition of the towers. Sometimes I think the Pentagon crash debate is used to deflect from the more obvious contolled demolition of the towers.

If the CT is true that a commercial airliner did not actually crash into the Pentagon; will we ever see the actual footage. I think not. They might release some fantasy film, to do just that, shut people up or relegate the 9-11 truth search to CT loonies. I was described as one of those today on a different post.

[petgoat]

32. Where are the debunkers?

37 votes and not one person to say we're all crazy and we're all going to discredit our cause and
resistance is futile.

[soulcore]

34. Indeed. I'm suprised it hasn't been shoved in the 911 bunker

and forgotten about by the masses yet.

K & R for truth and justice.

911 Truth. Now.

[hang a left]

36. They are busy in the 9-11 forum.

They rarely pile on when there is this many MIHOP posters. They prefer safe environments where they don't get called out in front of larger groups.

Not to worry though, someone has already posted links that will get this thread locked. Detractors come in all stripes.

[soulcore]

38. don't tell me that when I post relevant links to these types of posts

that it helps to get them censored. I hope I haven't contributed to getting threads locked down in the bunker by trying to spread info.

This site is amazing, but I do not donate, and will not, until they stop censoring the 911 material.

[lumpy]

37. Absolutely great news.

So many questions to be answered.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

39. Sorry, But Wayne Madsen Is A Kook, Not An Expert.

I wish these were actually respected and well documented experts leading the way, but alas, maybe someday.

[NastyRiffraff]

41. Read 911review:

http://911review.com/

Balanced, well written, and they do debunk some of the nuttier theories while pointing out real discrepancies.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

42. Been There, Done That. :)

[Just Me]

46. Setting aside that individual, don't you believe the evidence,...

,...should be out in the open? If the event of 9/11 is an open and closed case, why aren't the feds laying out the evidence for public display?

IOW, what's your take on the 9/11 event,...overall?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

49. I Think The Official Story Is The Biggest Whacked Conspiracy Theory I've

ever heard. I do jump back and forth between LIHOP and MIHOP though depending on the day and what info I come across at the time. I had my wife watch Loose Change 2nd edition with me the other night and she was blown away. She isn't political at all and though she's heard me talk a lot about 9/11 inconsistencies before it was more powerful for her to see it presented to her directly. I want the truth of 9/11 to come out as bad as anyone you'll meet, as the thought of what may have really happened that day terrifies me. I constantly search for new info to pass on about what happened and still wonder why so many still don't question it. When you see the official story spelled out piece by piece in front of you again years later, now that you can reflect, it becomes so obvious how absurd and illogical it is. There is no way they are telling the truth. I want to know the truth. I just don't want it to come from a group that includes Madsen as an "expert". Read my reply below for more on that angle :)

[hang a left]

44. So you are going to single out Wayne.....

and ignore David Ray Griffin and Webster Tarpley. I am sure you have nice words for Mike Ruppert as well.

on edit:

otherwise referred to as strawman

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x74140

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

47. Yes, That's Exactly What I'm Going To Do, Since He Is What Hampers Them

from being taken seriously, period.

As long as he is part of the group I believe their goals are undermined and anything they have to say can be ripped apart in the public forum by those that know Madsen and focus on him to smear. Fact is, the ultimate goal is to get the facts out to the public in a believable manner. If we finally get some facts but it comes from a source that includes Wayne Madsen, then the facts will be jumped on so quickly and undermined by the right by bringing into the spotlight just how much of a kook Madsen is. Then the general public will dismiss the new information and zero in on how ridiculous one of the sources were instead. Have you not seen this before?

I want the facts of 9/11 badly. I want them out in the public for real discussion. But I want them to come from groups that are 100% solid and inarguably competent so that when the details come out, it is the facts that can be focused on rather than some whacked out of his gourd Madsen.

So yes, I'm going to single him out and have every right to do so. That group should kick him the fuck out if they want to be taken seriously, because as long as they are going to have him included as an "expert" they have no credibility, period.

[hang a left]

48. You mean just like you did??

As long as he is part of the group I believe their goals are undermined and anything they have to say can be ripped apart in the public forum by those that know Madsen and focus on him to smear.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

50. Absolutely. And With Justified Reasoning. My Assessment Is DEAD ON.

If you can't see the logic in my above reply than so be it, but it is of sound logic, intellect, reasoning and accuracy.

No fucking way I want potentially the most valuable and critical information in our nation's history to finally come out through a group that includes one of the biggest whacked out kooks I've ever seen. If you truly cared about the facts of 9/11 coming out I would think you'd agree, but to each their own. :hi:

[hang a left]

53. No problem.

:hi:

[Laurab]

43. K & R

Some of the people may very well be "kooks", but the fact remains that much of what happened does NOT make sense, not least of which is the administration's massive attempt to keep anyone from actually investigating. THAT makes no sense at all - it is just plain common sense that our "leaders" would LEAD the investigation, assist, and not ever give up until all the facts were known.

That's called "cover-up", and is enough to make any rational person wonder what they're hiding.

[Pharaoh]

45. It's about time!

K&R

[bronco2121]

54. but the POD people won't buy it

i've been getting a lot of email from people who are already denying the authenticity of the video that the DOJ claims to have of flight 77 impacting the pentagon. now that the jury has been selected in the moussaoui sentencing trial (and thus the video will soon be shown publicly at the trial), the POD people are getting a little nervous. the release of the impact video threatens the fantasy-land that most POD and missiles and frogs theorists have lived in for the last 4 years.

so what i'm saying is - regardless of what evidence is released by the govt via lawsuits, many (if not most) 9/11 skeptics ain't gonna buy it. they already ain't buying the impact video and it hasn't even been released yet.

why are people like this?

answer: 9/11 skeptics can be divided into two categories: 1) those who are most concerned with the treasonous crime that is 9/11, and hope the truth will be revealed. 2) those who are most concerned with the *theories* about what happened, and who like to invent new ones and keep old ones alive.

most 9/11 skeptics (the vocal ones, anyway) are in category 2.

so as evidence and even facts emerge - if you're in category 1, you're going to end up in seemingly endless debates with category 2s. have empathy, however - after 4 years many people have come to identify with the theories they promote. they're not going to let go of these things too easily.

bronco
flight77.info

[reprehensor]

55. Amen.

An independent investigation is sorely needed.