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Loose Nuke Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 01:35 AM
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9/11 changed everything- the conflicts with the record demand answers
Edited on Sun Mar-19-06 01:50 AM by Loose Nuke
No evidence exists for the official conspiracy theory, that Al Qaeda did it alone. The "white paper" Colin Powell talked about was never produced, and the evidence they supposedly had was too sensitive and could only be shown to fellow war-criminal Blair's govt., and a few others. A sampling of only some of the best evidence for the inside job theory:

Explosive Testimony: Revelations about the Twin Towers in the 9/11 Oral Histories
9/11 oral histories from the Fire Dept, obtained by the NYTimes by FOIA, analyzed here by David Ray Griffin
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060118104223192

The neocons had motive, means, opportunity- and family and personal histories of evil deeds:

Duhbya's granddad Prescott owned several businesses that did business with the Nazis. He became a Senator after he was busted for doing it.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html

GWBush, Sr ran the CIA during a time period when it's been established they were involved in drug smuggling. Ross Perot, when he was looking for POW's, reports the following exchange in his book, "Kiss the Boys Goodbye", when Bush asked him how it was going- he got blocked from continuing shortly thereafter:
"...Well, George, I go in looking for prisoners," said Perot, "but I spend all my time discovering the government has been moving drugs around the world and is involved in illegal arms deals..."
http://www.nationarchive.com/Summaries/v255i0005_12.htm

List of witnesses to CIA connections to drug and arms smuggling
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ciadrugs/witness_list.html

Marvin Bush was a principal in the security firm that managed the World Trade Center
http://cooperativeresearch.org/searchResults.jsp?searchtext=marvin+bush&events=on&entities=on&articles=on&topics=on&timelines=on&projects=on&titles=on&descriptions=on&dosearch=on&search=+Go+#entities

Al Qaeda is a CIA asset.
"Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that "Al Qaeda" is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan."
http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=15254

Do some research on the 9/11 Timeline at http://www.cooperativeresearch.org Thousands of stories have surfaced in the mainstream over the decades that cast doubt on or prove the lie of the official story. The big picture blows it away. Alive hijackers. Insider trading. $100,000 was wired to Atta by the chief of Pakistan's ISI shortly before 9/11 and he was in town the week of. With a $5mil bounty on his head, Bin Laden was treated at an American hospital in Dubai July 01 and was visited by his family, Saudi royals and intelligence, and the local CIA chief. 15 of the "hijackers" were in on blatant VISA violations. The Pentagon was hit nearly AN HOUR after the first tower was hit. Hani Hanjour's flight instructor said "he couldn't fly" a Cessna. Experienced pilots have said they couldn't have done the 270 degree turn descending thru 8000 feet after mysteriously appearing on radar and fly into the Pentagon, knocking down light poles but not touching the lawn. Shortly after it was brought to the attention of the public, the Andrews Air Force Base website was changed so it no longer said they had 3 squadrons always on alert- which is what you'd expect, around DC. Numerous "incompetents" were promoted and/or got budget increases after these incredible (not credible) intelligence and defense "failures" including Myers, Eberhard and Rumsfeld and supervisors at the FBI who sabotaged Colleen Rowley's FISA warrant application- one of the few times those got turned down. No incompetents have been disciplined or fired. Whistleblowers have been threatened and fired. etc, etc, etc.

The 9/11 Commission is a FRAUD. Check out 115 ommissions and distortions documented by David Ray Griffin:
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050523112738404

Read about Sibel Edmond's story http://www.justacitizen.org The ACLU is representing her and calls her "the most gagged person in American history" Working as an FBI translator, she exposed a spy ring that had infiltrated the FBI, was corrupting the translation process in conjunction with management, the IG and Congress confirmed her allegations and John Ashcroft gagged her under the State Secrets act, asserting the need to protect certain diplomatic and business relations. The gag was recently upheld by the Supreme Court.

America and the world have not been told the truth about what happened on 9/11. 3000 people were mass murdered on 9/11. No evidence has been put forth to show that Al Qaeda accomplished this on their own. Mountains of evidence exist pointing to inside involvement, and all investigations have turned up evidence deserving further investigation and have been in turn obstructed, including the Commission, even though it only had people with conflicts of interest and was run by Bush insider Phillip Zelikow- Kean was the chairman, he was the Executive Director and decided what questions they would ask and what evidence they would look at. Bush and Cheney testified together, behind closed doors, not under oath, no tapes and all notes had to be reviewed. The White House edited the final report. 70% of the 9/11 Family Steering Committee's questions remain unanswered http://www.911independentcommission.org . Our government, society and culture have been hijacked by war-mongering profiteers. However, these people need the appearance of legitimacy in government to be able to operate effectively. That's why they lie about what they do. They aren't reptiles, just self-interested thugs, some of them sociopathic, who participate in investment cabals that profit from really twisted investment schemes that are incredibly lucrative- they own the banking system and control our money even though the Constitution grants that power to Congress. They funnel crack into the ghettos and arms to the 3rd world, causing confict and despair to fuel appetites for the same. These are the people running the corporate controlled media, insurance, health care, pharmaceutical, etc. companies. They'd love to tell us like Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men, "You can't HANDLE the truth!!!" but they'd be exposed and the game would be over.

The truth is- We the People don't need them. They need us. They need workers and consumers. They need our ignorance, apathy and fear. They need our cooperation thru lack of opposistion. They'd like to make us think we can't do anything- but it's them that can't do anything- information is free and spreads exponentially. The curtain is being pulled back and the wizard exposed. They are in the weak position though they appear immense and strong and have been getting away with murder forever. Our ancestors drove the British out with muskets. Ghandi drove the British out with non-violent resistance. South America's been rejecting American capitalist exploitation at the polls. Eastern Europe and Russia foiled coups and election fraud. Bush was not elected either time. They don't have a majority; America has been getting more liberal with every generation. This is still America, and it's a free country. So why does FEMA have plans for implementing martial law if there is widespread opposition to a foreign invasion? Why are there plans for massive internment camps? http://www.oilempire.us/redalert.html Is anyone here gonna take this- from a government that has, since the beginning of the CIA, been engineering coups, funding, training and arming brutal dictators including Hussein, and manipulating economies and social conditions around the world? When it's been holding hundreds of probably innocent people indefinitely, without charge, rendering and torturing some of them? When it's been stealing elections and lying us into wars? When it's been monitoring peaceful war protestors and spying on US citizens illegally and unconsitutionally? When it's been engaging in false-flag terror attacks on us? When Bush has referred to the Constitution as a "God-damned piece of paper!"? When he made the EPA say the air was safe to breathe in Manhattan 3 days after 9/11, condemning even more thousands to greater suffering and earlier deaths? When he played guitar and golfed while people drowned in Katrina? When he lied about his foreknowledge of the likelihood of the levee breaches and possible dead? When he used the aftermath as a martial law training exercise?

We can drive out them out with the Truth. The light of it makes them run like cockroaches, fry like vampires. The main thing we need to do is speak up and out. Our leaders and media NEED the People to rise up and demand accountability for 9/11 and their other crimes. The foundation of our Constitution, the basis for our government is the will of the People. Nobody who voted for Bush did so cuz he promised to let or do a 9/11 or his other criminal acts. The myth has power cuz people think it was Al Qaeda. Our system of government is fine- it needs to be followed. Making the Public interest secondary and subject to the interests of a special class is un-constitutional, let alone making the interests of "corporations" primary over human beings and citizens. Yes, it has always been this way througout history, but there is also plenty of evidence the human race is getting wiser and more civilized. (IQ scores have been going up around the world, despite all the horrible things being done by the WTO, G8, WEF, Bilderberger, CFR, Trilateral Commission, IMF and the World Bank). Don't think the People have the power? You saw how quickly that ports deal was cancelled with Dubai- that's cuz everyone that knows 9/11 was an inside job plus alot of Dems and even more Repubs, rednecks and right-wing "Christians" were calling their reps telling 'em "Stop it- or forget reelection". But did you know Carlyle Group is gonna be taking over? http://washington.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2006/03/06/daily30.html Why in God's name would an investment group whose only experience is in death-dealing and conflict fomenting be looking at getting into managing public infrastructure?!?!?! 9/11 is "the day that changed everything"- only "9/11" is a LIE. It's time to stop pretending we don't live in a "post 9/11 world". There is no time to waste- they are working to increase and consolidate power as fast as they can. "Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has" Margaret Mead

We, the American People, have fallen asleep, have come to believe we can trust our government, have forgotten Ben Franklin's words, "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance" and that with the Constitutional Convention, we were given "A republic- if (we) keep it"

Get informed and spread the word- tell your friends, family, co-workers, neighbors, strangers, post everywhere- and lobby Congress and the media to investigate- a new investigation into 9/11 is urgently needed.
9/11 Truth breaks thru the mainstream media already, more and more often.
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060316135906990

Over 150 luminaries and 9/11 family members who've signed a call for a new investigation:
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633

August 30, 2004 Zogby poll found half of NYers think people in our govt. knew and let 9/11 happen; 2/3 want a new investigation into the unanswered questions:
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633

Since then, Bush has done many things that expose how uncaring, careless and evil he is- I wonder what these numbers are at now, nationwide? 42% already want him impeached, according to a Mar 15 poll by American Research Group, that has been totally ignored by the mainstream media http://americanresearchgroup.com/
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 02:15 AM
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1. Excellent stuff.
Thanks for putting this all in one place. Could I post it to another forum with links in-tact?
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 02:24 AM
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2. wow, you filled my plate tonight..very extensive post..
thanks loose nuke I'll have to digest this in the morning. Your post alone outweighs the entire "LUDICROUS
911 OFFICIAL REPORT " including NIST AND FEMA..

Wait until the debunker's show up...(lol)

its late i'm tired and sleepy, adios my friend !!

You might want to add larry silverstein.. may 2001 talks underway to lease the WTC for 99 yrs.. closes the deal in July 2001.. 7 weeks later TOTAL DESTRUCTION.. larry collects billions.. not bad for a few weeks of investments.. btw larry even borrowed the 200 million dollars for the lease.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 02:27 AM
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3. I agree...excellent post
and links. Thank you, Loose Nuke.

911 has changed everything...in ways different than many people suspect.

How can anyone NOT question the official version?
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Loose Nuke Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 10:40 AM
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4. The official 9/11 story is a fairy tale and the Commission is a coverup
Edited on Mon Mar-20-06 10:44 AM by Loose Nuke
Thanks for the responses- Beam Me Up- feel free to cut and post as you like- if you want one site with the best material and links, I recommend the activist/advocacy group http://www.911truth.org/index.php?topic=about Excellent quote from Mark Dayton, btw. My main thing is; we need a new investigation to account for the holes and lies in the official story that left such huge unanswered questions- the 9/11 Commission Report misrepresents our immigration and FAA/NORAD air defense procedures, the hundreds of advanced warnings, including from 11 different countries, Bush/Bin Laden connections, obstructed investigations before and after- there are hundreds of important facts and questions ignored or distorted by the Commission. They addressed none of the evidence of official complicity. They excused the insider trading by saying it was done by some "institutional investor" with "no conceivable connection to Al Qaeda"; The trades were done thru Deutche Bank, which used to be run by Buzzy Krongard, now executive director of the CIA. The didn't address the criminal destruction the WTC debris or any of the evidence of controlled demolition. Now, I'm an idiot and I wore a tinfoil dunce cap to the march in LA and handed out Deception Dollars; but even I can see in the photos and video that the towers are exploding into powder- how does a logical person think that a building collapsing because a few floors had weakened steel accomplished that? Better watch out for your barbecue grill- how does the grill stand the heat??? It might collapse at any time!!! The Commission didn't even mention that WTC 7- or any of those suspicious, the kind that would normally prompt questions, facts mentioned by DemInDistress about Larry Silverstein. The Commission should've questioned him closely under oath, including about his apparent order to the fire chief to "pull" (slang for controlled demolition) WTC7- google his name, PBS and "pull'' for video.

The official story is a fairy tale and the Commission is a coverup; America needs a new investigation to find out the truth about "the day that changed everything".

Like Desertrose said: "How can anyone NOT question the official version?"

Top 15 Reasons to Doubt the Official Story
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 02:54 PM
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5. your comparison
to a BBQ fire is ridiculous. a bbq is about 400-500 degrees F. the WTC fires were at least 3 times that temperature
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 03:28 PM
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6. Edna made the BBQ
http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtcfire5/cintron.php

raging inferno..............NOT!!!



then add the firfighters tapes that stated he had reached the impact zone and there where only a few small fires that could be knocked down easily.

Cmon you have posted here for a long time why do you avoid these FACTS ?????
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 05:02 PM
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7. i was disputing a particular point
Edited on Mon Mar-20-06 05:07 PM by sabbat hunter
i dont read danish unfortunately so i would appreciate a translation if possible for the site.

thanks
additionally in the post it compared a BBQ to the fires in the towers. most people, even ones who believe in explosive demoltion agree the fires were much much hotter than that. the dispute lies in whether those fires were enough to bring down the towers. i didnt think the heat of them was in dispute for hte most part.


also here is a bit wider shot of the towers. you can see red hot spots of fires just outside the impact zone.




and here is one of WTC 7

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Loose Nuke Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 07:56 PM
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8. And my point was that...
... suggesting that the plane damage plus steel weakened by the short fires is what caused the WTC collapse is as absurd as the barbecue collapsing idea. The main support columns were 4" thick steel, tapering to 1/4" thick at the top. Massively redundant structure, steel rated at 5 times the strength needed, built to withstand multiple 707 crashes. Jet fuel burns between 800 and 1500 degrees F- in the perfect mixture. NIST and FEMA don't dispute most of the fuel was burned off immediately, especially with the S Tower fireball exploding mostly outside the bldg. And the black smoke shows the fires weren't as hot as they could be. In the S tower the fires were almost completely out before the collapse started. As Twist_U_Up pointed out- tapes exist showing firemen had reached the crash scene and said the fires were almost out- "knock it down w/ 2 hoses". Plus all the reports about explosions, the powdery dust, the lack of precedents for fire-building collapse, even after 18, even 24 hrs of burning, the molten steel found weeks later, hot spots observed on sat photos. Just from the evidence of controlled demolition and the government's refusal to deal with any of it is grounds for investigation- let alone the hundreds and hundreds of other suspicious facts, events, circumstances, statements, people, ommissions and distortions of the offical story. There is plenty of precedent in history for governments using fake terror attacks and threats to manipulate their people- Hitler's Reichstag fire, the Lusitania was carrying weapons, Gulf of Tonkin incident that got us into war w/ N Vietnam was faked, Operation Northwoods, Pearl Harbor was not a surprise attack, the Maine wasn't bombed, Oswald didn't shoot the magic bullet, MLK's assassination was an act of state, a jury trial later determined, etc. etc. all this can be verified by Google for those interested, or I'll find the links if someone insists, it's not like the info is not in the public domain

Our Republic is in danger- The 9/11 Commission is a FRAUD
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050523112738404
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 07:06 PM
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11. That isn't WTC 7 in your photo.
Edited on Tue Mar-21-06 07:10 PM by dailykoff
It's one of the lowrises, probably building 6, the Customshouse, which burned fiercely but did not collapse:



You can tell by the cantilevers, which WTC 7 didn't have.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 05:54 PM
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10. WTC fires were at least 3 times that
There's no evidence that the steel got that hot. NIST has not one piece of core steel that shows heating above 250 degrees C.

A candle flame gets to 1400 degrees F, but it can't heat up a mailbox and make it undergo total progressive collapse.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 11:50 PM
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9. But where's the "proof"?
just kidding! There's a pretty overwhelming case for a real investigation when you look at all of your information. Thanks for the links.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 08:37 PM
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12. The curious case of General Myers and General Eberhardt.
Here we have the 2 largest military exercises happening on 9/11 and the #1 guy is on a jet heading for Europe and the #2 is sitting in Max Cleland's office shooting the breeze about his upcoming confirmation hearings. Hmmmmm.
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