9/11 and what they wont let people know (eye opener)

[Mari333]

Informative and unbelievable...makes LIHOP look even more insidiously real
http://www.observer.com/pages/frontpage1.asp

[nostamj]

1. this is one of those "MUST READ" things kids...

"It is incomprehensible why this administration has refused to aggressively pursue the leads that our inquiry developed," fumes Senator Bob Graham, the former co-chairman of the inquiry, which ended in 2003. The Bush White House has ignored all but one or two of the joint inquiry’s 19 urgent recommendations to make the nation safer against the next attempted terrorist attack. The White House also allowed large portions of the inquiry’s final report to be censored (redacted), claiming national security, so that even some members of the current 9/11 commission—whose mandate was to build on the work of the congressional panel—cannot read the evidence.

Senator Graham snorted, "It’s absurd."

[Snappy]

2. Whitewash?

Now, the most disturbing disconnect of all: The F.A.A. and NORAD had at least 42 minutes to decide what to do about Flight 93.

What really happened?

[DoYouEverWonder]

3. More like an hour and half

If you start running the clock from when the 1st plane went of course.

[Mari333]

4. This better come out goddamit

I cant believe its not coming out..yes, I can..theres a lot to hide here..and connect the dots...

[_Jumper_]

17. Payne Stewart

He was intercepted in 19 minutes...

[MercutioATC]

26. There were already fighters in the air when Payne Stewart's plane

had issues (training exercise). It was simple to pull them.

[Bolo Boffin]

30. Payne Stewart was NOT intercepted in 19 minutes.

It was AN HOUR and 19 minutes. Between the final contact and the intercept, the Lear jet passed over into the Central Time Zone from the Eastern Time Zone. That's why it looks like there's only 19 minutes between those two events. The times began to be recorded in Central time.

The Stewart incident doesn't show how lax the response on 9/11 was. It may have actually provided al-Qaeda with vital intelligence on how quickly the system responded to airplanes that no longer respond to ATCs.

[mac2]

5. There's a lot of spin about the 9/11 story to make it true for Bush

There's a lot of stuff out there that can't be varified and therefore pure fiction. Like some of the calls from the jets.

Fiction like who the pilots were on those planes? The pilot's name was not on the list. Planes smaller than stated...loaded with fuel. Why leave from Boston to hit NY City (could it be the foreign owned security company was involved)? Why not stop the planes when they flew over airforce bases, etc? Some of the so called terrorists identified by Ashcroft are alive back in Saudi Arabia. Their idenity stolen. It is said, that Florida trained pilot was said not to know enough to fly so skillfully (by expert pilots). Auto-pilots? Building #7 fell without being hit. All fell like a demolition.

Families of 9/11 have a huge list of questions..and you see them on their Internet site. The Congress, investigative committees, and the administration are covering much of it up. Documents and testmoney denied by the White House. Why and how are they allowed to get away with it?

Read a small book called, Stranger Than Fiction by Dr. Pastore. You can get it at http://www.booksurge.com/author.php3?accountID=DAND00030&affiliateID=A000246 Referenced articles are from media sources, etc. I've read some of them myself and wondered.

Unanswered questions web site has lots of questions also. And this one.. Link: http://www.911review.org/

Private investigators and professional people, who have done extensive research, see the dots connect to the top officals at the White House. Is that a surprise? Some of the clues are very simple.

It was a huge horrific hoax to bring us to war..for their agenda. What agenda? The one planned after WWII. World Union (previously called World Order) and profit by the few. It's not a secret..there are documents.

Sorry..I'm not believing the story about the phone call.

They passed around a box cutter (looked big and new) at the 9/11 committee one day as I was watching it on CSPAN. How did they know what type it was...or if they were on the flights? Everything melted didn't it? Fear...it's all about keeping us in fear even during their hearings. The lying,liars are not just one party.

Sorry..I'm not believing the story about the phone call.

Why would they lie about all of this? This Congess and President...agency heads lied about WMD that killed 10,000 or more Iraqis and countless Afghanis...American soldiers, etc. They took us to war in Vietnam for eight years with the same type lies. Trust this information...nope.

It was a huge horrific hoax to bring us to war..for their agenda. What agenda? The one planned after WWII. World Order and profit by the few. They blame it on the Arabs to go to war in the ME for oil and a religious agenda (remember Bush's Judo/Christian War?).

Hey...we can only discuss and ask question they want to hear. This is not free speech.

[radwriter0555]

6. The airlines KNEW the men on board were terrorists... do you realize that?

This is a blatant admission that the hijackers used their real names and that the airlines failed to make a connection to these KNOWN TERRORISTS... in order to act in our defense.

It also just completely demonstrates the bush regime's willful failure to simply protect us....

[tinrobot]

7. Not to nitpick...

The article says Mohammed Atta piloted the first plane. I might be wrong, but I thought he was piloting the second.

[mac2]

9. Pilot known?

Was he on the flight list. Anyway, he wasn't trained enough to fly that well is what I read.

[RH]

22. How well would he need to fly?

Long ago I used enjoy a TV program (in the UK) wherein contestants were invited to rehearse the landing of an airliner on a full size flight simulator, albeit they'd had no previous experience of apart the driving of a car or the riding of a bicycle.

A surprising number made a fair attempt. Most of them at least got to be lined up with the correct end of the virtual runway. A few were deemed to have landed safely.

[DulceDecorum]

24. Which is why it is easier

to get an airline transport pilot license than it is to ride a tricycle.

[Minstrel Boy]

12. Atta was on Flight 11, the first one.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/WTC_suspects.html

[onecitizen]

8. This makes me ache.........

those brave souls were so let down by practically everybody that day. The more I find out about that day, the angrier I get. I started to quit reading because it had become difficult. I made myself finish.

[mac2]

10. Betrayal

Yes...the people of this country were betrayed on that day by our government leaders. This much we know. To top it off, they continue to lie and keep us in fear.

[VolcanoJen]

11. Unbelievable. How is it that this has remained unknown??

The most telling paragraphs, to me:

Mr. Woodward ordered a colleague to punch up those seat locations on the computer. At least 20 minutes before the plane crashed, the airline had the names, addresses, phone numbers and credit cards of three of the five hijackers. They knew that 9G was Abdulaziz al-Omari, 10B was Satam al-Suqami, and 9D was Mohamed Atta—the ringleader of the 9/11 terrorists.

The nightmare began before the first plane crashed," said Mike Sweeney, "because once my wife gave the seat numbers of the hijackers and Michael Woodward pulled up the passenger information, Mohamed Atta’s name was out there. They had to know what they were up against."

Oh, and these gems:

Amy Sweeney’s account alerted the airline that something extraordinary was occurring. She told Mr. Woodward she didn’t believe the pilots were flying the plane any longer. She couldn’t contact the cockpit.

Betty Ong and Amy Sweeney also reported that the hijackers had used mace or pepper spray and that passengers in business class were unable to breathe. Another dazzling clue to the hijackers’ having a unique and violent intent came in Betty Ong’s earliest report: "The cockpit is not answering their phone. We can’t get into the cockpit. We don’t know who’s up there."

Didn't it take awhile, hours after the planes crashed, for our government to figure out that the pilots were not in command of their aircraft???? What took us so long to respond??

[Gin]

15. Al Gore is on a roll about Bush betraying us...maybe he should get this

article...man...we are nothing but pieces on a board game...trouble is...we don't know the rules.

[skippysmom]

13. Excellent article

With many excellent questions about what really happened on 9/11.

No wonder * won't let the commission do its work anytime soon!

[AliceWonderland]

14. This part bugged me

Would American Airlines officials monitoring the Sweeney and Woodward dialogue have known right away that Mohamed Atta was connected to Al Qaeda?

"The answer is probably yes," said 9/11 commission member Bob Kerrey, "but it seems to me that the weakness here, in running up to pre-9/11, is an unwillingness to believe that the United States of America could be attacked.

Probably yes? We still don't know the nature of the crime of Sept. 11 and who/what/why the alledged hijackers are all about. And a 9-11 commission member is saying that AA would probably have immediately "known" that an entity called Al Qaeda was connected to the hijacking? That strikes me as so absurd.

[jmags]

16. That is a chilling article.

The widow of one of the pilots brought up one of the things that has bothered me the most ever since I initially learned about it last year. From the article:

"Mrs. Homer’s soft voice curdles when she describes his reaction: "I can’t get over what Bush said when he was called about the first plane hitting the tower: ‘That’s some bad pilot.’ Why did people on the street assume right away it was a terrorist hijacking, but our President didn’t know?"

There is absolutely no excuse for his reaction. Here the guy was given the Aug 6 PDB that said Al Queda is set to hit the US, he finds out an airplane flies into the number 1 terrorist target in the world, and brushes it off as an accident and goes about his day.

Anytime I am forced to think about that statement again, it absolutely infuriates me. I don't consider Bush all that bright, but it doesn't take much intelligence to think that was more than an accident. It just raises so many questions and provides so few answers. I hope when the Democrats win the White House in 04, they allow the real story to come out.

[icymist]

18. You're assuming that Bush read

any reports given to hime and not have somebody else read it for him.

[AZCat]

19. I thought that this version of the Bush reaction...

had been debunked somewhere. Any takers?

[bubba_fett]

21. The bush's reaction is questionable...

Video of the first plane hitting the trade center wasn't acquired until the next day. Video on the news on 9-11 began just before the second plane hit. But bush is on video, in the classroom when Andrew Card tells him that the second plane hits. He sits there for about ten minutes afterward reading a kid's book.

The story of his 'bad pilot' quote comes from a speech he did, where he described the day from his point of view.

[Q]

20. The best way to kill a thread is to move it here...

...to the dungeon.

- DU shouldn't be doing this during a fund drive. People might take offense.

[DulceDecorum]

23. The thread was elsewhere?

No wonder there is a dearth of really snippy comments from the usual suspects.
Oh well, I guess it was good while it lasted......

[maggrwaggr]

25. the story's gone ....... and I'd sure like to read it!

anybody know where to find it?

Why isn't this stuff posted in GD?

[Woody Box]

27. Don't panic, you can read it here

I love the gooogle cache!

http://www.google.de/search?q=cache:91xE765dyawJ:www.observer.com/pages/frontpage1.asp+%22gail+sheehy%22&hl=de&ie=UTF-8

The observer seems to throw out his articles after a week. Don't they have an archive?

[Woody Box]

28. F***%"&§/ smilies

http://www.google.de/search?q=cache:91xE765dyawJ:www.observer.com/pages/frontpage1.asp+%22gail+sheehy%22&hl=de&ie=UTF-8

[bobbieinok]

29. HOW do I access the front page for feb 11???

sorry - didn't read whole thread before posting

[whipzz]

31. It's a lot more serious than that guys

You are talking about an LIHOP still?

Please look at

http:www.amics21.com/911/flight175

It shows that this was not a civilian plane taking off from an ordinary civilian airfield. It was a MIH simple and sweet.

If you're in a hurry go straight to the third page. If you are worried about authenticity, read the original translation of the La Vanguardia articles.

Here's what a reader just told me:

<If this is true, it's a shocking discovery!

I can't tell what the structures are or what to make of them.

Thank you very much for the new information. It's fascinating stuff.>

Don't miss this if you want the truth about 9/11 and spread the word. The media is not going to publish this, (except our brave Vanguardia reporters, that is), so it's up to each and every one of us to read up on as much data as we can.

Thanks for looking at the site—it'll be well worth your trouble.

[whipzz]

32. It's a lot more serious than that guys

You are talking about an LIHOP still?

Please look at

http:www.amics21.com/911/flight175

It shows that this was not a civilian plane taking off from an ordinary civilian airfield. It was a MIH simple and sweet.

If you're in a hurry go straight to the third page. If you are worried about authenticity, read the original translation of the La Vanguardia articles and the university report.

Here's what a reader just told me:

<If this is true, it's a shocking discovery!
I can't tell what the structures are or what to make of them.
Thank you very much for the new information. It's fascinating stuff.>

Don't miss this if you want the truth about 9/11 and spread the word. The media is not going to publish this, (except our brave Vanguardia reporters, that is), so it's up to each and every one of us to read up on as much data as we can.

Thanks for looking at the site—it'll be well worth your trouble.