81% believe government covered up real events of 9/11 (CNN poll)

[savemefromdumbya]

wow! Charlie Sheen has really made a wave

http://edition.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/showbiz.tonight/

:party:

[MadMaddie]

1. Another good statistic today.....

The more lies that come out about the * cabal the higher these numbers go....

[savemefromdumbya]

2. It's an incredible result!

at last! Cheney should be punished for crimes to fellow citizens.

[MadMaddie]

3. *, Cheney, Condi, Rummy, Bremmer...and the list goes on...

crimes against humanity. (The Hague)

Treason against the United States....

[redqueen]

5. Darn right.

Hope they don't get away with it.

[Amonester]

40. 82% 22281 votes / Total: 27275 votes (7:30 PM 24-03-06)

http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_570.shtml

"Alamoudi -- who allegedly has direct connections to the 9/11 conspirators -- was invited to a prayer service with President Bush three days after the 9/11 attacks.

There are indications that al-Qadi, Alamoudi, and other suspected terrorists were protected from prosecution by high-ranking US officials, effectively preventing the FBI from stopping 9/11."

PTech...
http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_570.shtml

[MrSammo1]

142. I'd like to see them include the scum that shills for the murderers....

The ones following the orders.

[CrazyOrangeCat]

4. Wow, 81%

Well, good. It's about time people started asking serious questions, instead of just mocking my little

:tinfoilhat: ;)

[savemefromdumbya]

6. you can put the tinfoil hat away now

the real truth is coming out

[CrazyOrangeCat]

15. Yay !!!

:bounce:

[fooj]

20. Hell, I like my hat...

and as of late...I wear it proudly.:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

[petgoat]

115. I stick a feather in it and call it macaroni nt

[Duer 157099]

152. Here's a new symbolism

I stick a feather in it and call it macaroni

You know the origin of this expression? Check it out and then consider this: a tin foil hat with a feather.

The expression about putting a feather in a cap and calling it "macaroni" is a wry sarcastic commentary on how the "foolish bumpkins" end up on top of the game ultimately.

So, let's equate tinfoil hatters to the pre-Revolutionary folks, and the "macaroni" as the official party-line 9/11 story followers.

Maybe we just got our feather, and they can laugh at us all they want, but in the end... we'll you know the rest of the story about the American Revolution, right?

[MrSammo1]

143. The people wearing the Tinfoil hats

are the 19% fairy tale believers.


“We don’t torture.”—George W. Bush  (Straussian ‘ignoble lie’)

“We don’t do body counts.”—Gen. Tommy Franks (Straussian ignoble truth)

[Make7]

146. If they believe the government story,...

... what exactly would they be protecting themselves from by wearing a tinfoil hat? Does the '9/11 Truth' movement use some form of mind-controlling electromagnetic wave that they would need to protect themselves against?

- Make7

[drdtroit]

153. THE TRUTH!

Denial is a bitch, ain't it?
Just keep pretending everything is OK!

[Make7]

154. I didn't realize tinfoil hats would protect someone from the truth.

Could you please explain the physics that makes that possible?

- Make7

[drdtroit]

155. I didn't realize that it protected anyone from anything.

It's such an adolescent prop,
But it seems to be the administration apologists are the ones who always use the phrase.
Just keep believing everything is OK.
PEACE
:patriot:

[Make7]

156. But by answering my previous question, you essentially just said....

... that the "19% fairy tale believers" would be protecting themselves from "THE TRUTH" by wearing a tinfoil hat. Now you're telling me that it offers no protection whatsoever? Perhaps you should find out what a "tinfoil hat" is before answering questions dealing with the subject.

If I am reading the replies in this thread correctly, it looks like this particular tinfoil hat theme started with CrazyOrangeCat. The only poster I saw accusing others of wearing tinfoil hats in this sub-discussion was MrSammo1. If you believe that "administration apologists are the ones who always use the phrase", does that mean you think MrSammo1 is an "administration apologist"? Maybe there's a flaw in your logic somewhere.

Or perhaps you are you just saying things that you think sound good. Other than the subject line of your last post, nothing you have said here seems to be based on anything other than your arguably ill-formed opinion.

- Make7

[motocicleta]

157. You sound like you think the tinfoil hat actually

protects you from something.

It doesn't.

[Make7]

159. You mean when people use the term 'tinfoil hat'....

... they don't literally mean that the other person wears a tinfoil hat? Well, I'll be damned. Good thing you jumped in - I am definitely going to have to rethink my current investment strategy of sinking every last penny into Alcoa stock.

- Make7

[Ksec]

7. Thats an amazing poll number.

It really is. Wow.

I tend to believe they knew it was coming and did nothing to stop it, especially after what I heard in the Mousaui trial the other day. They were warned repeatedly and they ignored it. Something stinks here. Really bad.

[mdmc]

8. I'm not sure that you are allowed to post this

this may only be allowed in the 9-11 conspiracy forum.

[savemefromdumbya]

10. this is not a conspiracy it is CNN

ahem!

[mdmc]

28. LOL

that is priceless! :)

[The Magistrate]

32. Suspicion, Even Conviction, There Was Some Covering Up Done, Sir

Is a far cry from the sort of speculation allowed in the September 11 forum. There is very little doubt that items of intelligence warnings and various bits of sloppy work have been hushed up. It is most likely the great prepondrance of people indicating belief there was some concealment of the real events mean that sort of thing, and that very few believe in the full panoply of speculative theorizing that can be found i other quarters.

[Name removed]

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[mdmc]

70. thanks for the link

[stickdog]

76. So I take it that you voted "Yes"? (nt)

[Orangepeel]

9. useful if they announce the number on TV.

it might make people who hear the results think.

But, of course, the results of online polls may or may not have any correlation with actual opinion.

[Redstone]

11. No. 81% OF THE PEOPLE WHO WILL ANSWER A CNN POLL might

believe that. It is not representative of the general public, no matter how much you might like to believe it is.

The fact that it's only a poll among people who will go out of their way to participate makes it statistically meaningless.

Redstone

[savemefromdumbya]

12. If you look at it from a different perspective

4/5 years ago this would have been unheard of. The point of this post is that yes, CNN (the real CNN) are airing this and polling it.

[Disturbed]

14. LIHOP

The Bush Regime needed their "New Pearl Harbor" to launch their Invasions of countries in the ME that were not doing proper business with the Oil and Gas Corps of America and the UK.

[EVDebs]

62. Nixon's '73 plans to seize Saudi oil fields...updated

This story wasn't reported until New Year's of 2004 however. And the NYTimes even reported it with Liz Alvarez:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0102-01.htm

[savemefromdumbya]

65. Interesting!

[glitch]

131. Same tired old men with their tired old dreams, too.

No offense to rational tired old men.

[goforit]

133. WOW!..Remember, Kissinger & Poppy Bush advised him those years.

[savemefromdumbya]

138. They're probably advising this President too?

[CJCRANE]

167. The only difference today

is that Bushco is in league with the Saudis and went for the rival Iraqi oilfields instead.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

13. Can You Provide A Link To The Representative General Public Poll You Speak

of?

I mean, it exists right? It would have to exist for you to be able to so confidently reference it in contrast to the CNN poll correct? Wait, you're not talking out of your ass are you? If not, can I see the linky dinky to the representative poll of the general public?

Thanks! :hi:

[savemefromdumbya]

17. sending in the troops are we?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

25. Uhhh, You're Talking About What Now?

Seriously, Ya lost me dude.

[Junkdrawer]

55. LOL...Good One...

:rofl:

[fooj]

22. "linky dinky"...

:rofl:

[stickdog]

78. rhymes with coinky dinky ...

[Redstone]

26. Hey, great discussion technique: Snottiness.

I'm trying to explain the science of applied statistics here, and that's the best you can come up with? I don't think I'll waste my time with you anymore.

Redstone

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

34. Hi Black Pot, My Name Is Black Kettle, How Ya Doin?

Only reason I replied the way I did is because of the snottiness and firmness of your reply to begin with. I mean, your use of bolding, your use of all caps, and your such strong conviction that the poll is meaningless. Statistically speaking, maybe it is. But then again, maybe it isn't. You just don't know do you. You bolded your words as if you knew 100% certain that the poll was not representative. But if you don't have a 'Real' poll to reference, then you have no legitimacy declaring that as fact, in bold. It would've been accurate saying "it may not be representative", but blunty saying NOT, in bold, as fact, I would say requires backing up. Cause maybe the public does in fact believe in those numbers that bushco has covered up aspects of 9/11 to some degree or another. Why shoot it down so abruptly and as fact when the only fact is that you don't know either way what the percentage of the general public is?

That's the point I was trying to make. I don't like when people try passing off their personal passionate opinions as inarguable fact, that's all.

[Redstone]

43. Science is not opinion. A poll with a pre-skewed population is

not representative of a random poplulation. The OP tried to say it is, but it isn't.

Sorry, but them there are just the facts. I didn't make it so, it just is.

Redstone

[beam me up scottie]

44. "Science is not opinion"

It is if you belong to the MIHOP cult.

[Redstone]

47. That makes no sense whatsoever.

Redstone

[beam me up scottie]

50. Uh,

who do you think is attacking you?

People who spend 24/7 speculating about bad science and comic book villains have no qualms about trying to discredit someone who points out the error of believing CNN polls accurately represent the population.
;)

[Redstone]

53. Oh, I didn't think you were attacking me, I was just confused.

Sorry for not being clear about that. My fault.

Redstone

[stickdog]

102. Comic book villains or cave dwelling James Bond villains?

What are we to think of people who believe without a shred of hard, physical evidence that Osama Bin Laden is the cave dwelling equivalent of Dr. No?

[HamdenRice]

129. LOL! Stickdog who is the comic book villain?

Dick Cheney who is capable of shooting a guy in the face and stealing billions? Rumsfeld?

Or some guy in a cave, an Islamic Dr. Evil practically designed to be the image of Arab fanatacism?

Boy he really opened a can of worms by mentioning comic book villains, didn't he?

[gordontron]

147. I support Redstone here nt

[motocicleta]

160. Umm okay

I don't. He has some small statistical point, but he and scottie aren't even listening.

Scottie and Redstone: we don't think the poll is accurate. We're happy somebody is talking about it.

Is that clear enough?

I usually appreciate Redstone, but look at it from my perspective:
MIHOP is right. Our country was attacked, with the full knowledge of the schmucks in our government. The last three elections have been fraudulent. A war gets started on lies.
Nothing seems like its going my way.
Now things look like they might be turning around, just a hair. Chief bastard's approval rating drops like a rock. Media finally starts to ask a couple of medium questions of the liars. Liars are being prosecuted. They may turn on each other. Not great, but it's a start.
Then, wonder of wonders, a person talks about LIHOP and MIHOP in some small version of the mass media. This wouldn't have happened before. Nice. Exciting.
There's even a poll, albeit a worthless internet poll, about whether or not people believe in LIHOP and MIHOP. Very exciting, just that it can even be uttered, when it seemed like no one, but no one, would be allowed to express such thoughts at all.
Then, some of my compatriots come barging in, don't believe in MIHOP, loudly explaining why the poll no sane person would put scientific faith in isn't accurate.
Thanks buddy.
Remember, MIHOP is right. Anyone with an open mind who spends a small amount of time looking at the facts and circumstances around 9/11 should be able to see that. And DU is about all the companionship a person who knows MIHOP is real has. And you al are here, braying on about a stupid, worthless poll that's wrong.
You're right. It's worthless. We're fucked. No one will ever believe the truth. The country will continue to slide into oblivion.
Thanks.

[Balbus]

36. Science of applied statistics and a loony 911 thread don't mix.

[stickdog]

103. So I take it that you believe everything in the 9/11 Commission

Report, even the self-contradictions and complete historical rewrites?

[Balbus]

141. Tell you what...

When I read everything in the 9/11 Commission Report I'll let you know.

[Zodiak]

126. No one is silenced anymore by being called a "loony"

So I would suggest posting with substance instead.

[Balbus]

139. Loons are never silenced.

They just have their own forums to bounce their rants and craziness off of other like-minded loons so that people who don't want to hear them don't have to. Nothing was said about silencing...

[Zodiak]

148. so then your choice of words is simply ad hominem

I see. Whatever floats your boat.

[motocicleta]

161. Bullshit

why are you here? You've got nothing backing you up, you just run around spouting like your god's own mouthpiece, telling us we're loons, and now nobody said anything about silencing?


If you don't like the truth, it's shallow at the other end of the pool.

[Catrina]

111. Here's a link to the results of a Zogby poll from Aug. 2004 ~ looks like

it's pretty representative of NYers at least ~ I imagine those numbers have gone up since then. I know several Republicans who back then voted for Bush, and who now believe his administration did know about 9/11 and did nothing to stop it.

Half of New Yorkers Believe US Leaders Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9-11 Attacks and “Consciously Failed” To Act; 66% Call For New Probe of Unanswered Questions by Congress or New York’s Attorney General, New Zogby International Poll Reveals On the eve of a Republican National Convention invoking 9/11 symbols, sound bytes and imagery, half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of New York citizens overall say that some of our leaders "knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act," according to the poll conducted by Zogby International. The poll of New York residents was conducted from Tuesday August 24 through Thursday August 26, 2004. Overall results have a margin of sampling error of +/-3.5.

http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/35290

[Loose Nuke]

149. NYTimes/CBS poll and Zogby poll

Question 77- The New York Times/CBS News Poll (nationwide) April 23-27, 2004- 56% say the Administration is "hiding something" and 16% say they're "mostly lying" about what they knew prior to 9/11
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/politics/20040429_poll/20040429_poll_results.pdf


8/30/04 Half of NYers believe some leaders knew and let it happen; 2/3 call for new investigation
http://zogby.com/search/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855

These are your fellow Americans. Give the People what they want.

42% say impeach Bullshit, already- don't wait to find out if he actually did lie about WMD- or 9/11
http://www.americanresearchgroup.com

Media ain't reporting that either. Someone alert AJ Hammer and the crew at Showbiz- all the other "news" orgs are "entertainment"- besides Jon Stewart, of course.

[Make7]

150. Do you support the following conclusion:

Posted by serryjw:

83% think that the US gov't covered up events of 9-11 and 36% support this administration????

19% support this administration KNOWING they covered up the events of 9-11

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=78021&mesg_id=78113

If not, why not?

- Make7

[Ksec]

16. Im not a conspiracy theorist

If youve seen me around the boards you would know that. As a matter of fact Im usually one to ridicule the conspiracy buffs. Anyway, even if the poll represents only a specific crowd , the numbers are pretty amazing imo.

Have you kept up with the Mousaui trial? Some really stunning things are coming out of that. Stuff I had never heard before. Thats when I started looking at this a bit closer. It seems incredible that they were warned so often and pretty much ignored it. Im not saying I believe it was a big conspiracy, Im saying the facts coming out are making me look at this a bit more warily . Its making me feel its too easy to blow this off without a look.

[savemefromdumbya]

18. Facts

truth has a habit of surfacing. The 9/11 conspracy is usually confined to the 'Loony Times' you know the pod thing and all that but the fact that it is being aired on CNN?

[SpiralHawk]

59. Major Moussaoui Mojo on the 9/11 kerfuffle

'fer sure

[stickdog]

105. Well, that sort of evenhanded analysis makes you loon.

The only way you can avoid baying at the moon while wearing tinfoil is to dismiss these heretical thoughts without so much as even considering them while ridiculing everyone who does not.

[Name removed]

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[Zodiak]

125. I saw it

It is an excellent video that SHOWS where the holes are in the 9/11 "official story"


If you do not belive in LIHOP or MIHOP, you should see the video to at least understand why LIHOPpers and MIHOPpers believe as they do.

It sure beats throwing out ad hominem "tinfoil" accusations.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

136. Emphatic kick.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change

[MrSammo1]

144. It seems incredible that they were warned so often and pretty much ignored

That's the Able Danger spin. It was placed out there by the neocons to cover their asses. The physical facts show that something other than "dropping the ball" happened.

I'm going to let you know something that very few people have heard. Pulverized human bone was found in the lungs of workers that were at and around ground zero.

I don't know of any gravity that strong. Do you?

[Mr_Spock]

21. True, but it looks nice

:D

[rman]

24. so, not many people went out of their way to vote "no"

can't that be because there are not many people who would vote "no"?

[mcscajun]

30. Exactly right. And anyone who reads CNN's polls must also read

this, appended to every single one (emphasis mine):

"This QuickVote is not scientific and reflects the opinions of only those Internet users who have chosen to participate. The results cannot be assumed to represent the opinions of Internet users in general, nor the public as a whole. The QuickVote sponsor is not responsible for content, functionality or the opinions expressed therein."

Aside from that, CNN's poll questions tend to be short and simplistic, and in this poll, we have no way to know what opinions were held even by those who answered "Yes" as to what the "real events" were that were covered up, held back or suppressed by BushCo.

[RBHam]

57. Zogby poll, September 2004

Half of New Yorkers Believe US Leaders Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9-11 Attacks and “Consciously Failed” To Act; 66% Call For New Probe of Unanswered Questions by Congress or New York’s Attorney General, New Zogby International Poll Reveals

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855

[stickdog]

77. And how did you vote, if you don't mind me asking?

since it's meaningless and all, I assume you abstained, but then again you did see fit to make a post about it ...

[Grateful for Hope]

166. No one is saying this is a scientific poll

And no one is saying that the results are statistically meaningful.

What the poll does suggest is that there are a lot of people out there who have doubts about the official 9/11 story.

And, the excitement on this thread largely stems from the fact that the issue is getting some exposure which has been a rarity in the MSM.

Your response that the poll simply measures how many people "go out of their way to respond to CNN polls" is only partially correct because, if that were the case, we would likely see a more even split. Or, is it that those who are more likely to go out of their way to respond to online polls are more likely to be "tin-foilers"?

I highly doubt the latter, but then, we can't really know.

BTW, this is a subject I do know something about as my training is in the field of research and measurement.

[Booster]

19. Our local grocery stores must be running out of aluminum foil. ha

[MrSammo1]

145. if they are..........

it's the 19% fairy tale believers that's sucking it up!



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"Mom? This is Mark Bingham."
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[Name removed]

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[rinsd]

37. LOL,...get thee back to prisonplanet! (nt)

[rman]

27. 82%

LOL

[mdmc]

29. yup

:tinfoilhat:

[FogerRox]

31. Thats COOL-- 82%

Todays ERD, here:

[cynatnite]

33. 81% on this informal voluntary poll does not constitute a majority...

of Americans. When there is a poll from Zogby or wherever, then I'll take it seriously. Right now, no. This only means that the majority of viewers who bother voting believes that.

[savemefromdumbya]

51. even so

they daren't have voted that way 4 years ago.

[cynatnite]

56. It's anonymous...

I don't know if they would have or not. :shrug:

[RBHam]

58. Zogby Poll, eh...

Half of New Yorkers Believe US Leaders Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9-11 Attacks and “Consciously Failed” To Act; 66% Call For New Probe of Unanswered Questions by Congress or New York’s Attorney General, New Zogby International Poll Reveals

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855

[Balbus]

35. Online poll - *yawn*

[TheUnspeakable]

38. Please watch CNN Headline news tonight..

It's on right now-repeat at 11:00pm EST It is all about 9/11-the BEST coverage I've ever seen on the subject-they even had writer Erica jong weighing in and calling ** a dictator-they've also read some good emails.

[Geek_Girl]

39. I wear my Tinfoil Hat Proudly

:tinfoilhat:

[oblivious]

41. I consider those who cover up as guilty as those who did it.

[mom cat]

42. now 82%

[peace_on_earth]

45. 2004 Zogby poll of New Yorkers said half of them....

Half of New Yorkers Believe US Leaders Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9-11 Attacks and “Consciously Failed” To Act; 66% Call For New Probe of Unanswered Questions by Congress or New York’s Attorney General, New Zogby International Poll Reveals

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855

I would expect that number has risen since 2004.

[Name removed]

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[seabeyond]

48. nov 3rd those who thought election was stolen was strong minority

a lot of people on this board trashed the thought. now i see polls on here where election fraud is believed by a strong majority on this board.

many dems wouldnt allow the thought of election fraud. dems worked as hard as repug to ridicule the election fraud voice to dismissal

[CJCRANE]

114. DU has always been ahead of the curve

on so many things. We're the real pioneers these days.

[Generator]

49. If nothing else anbody with a lick of sense knows the

9/11 commission report (which Bush and Cheney fought like HELL on to stop) was a whitewash. Why lie? Why fight it? That was thing that brought me to DU-after being lied to about the Iraq war-then I find out they didn't want any info about arguably the day that "changed everything". Yes, people were killed, we launch a couple of wars because of it, and we give up our liberties but who cares what really happened?

JFK was a day at the beach with sunscreen compared to finding out the web of lies that is 9/11.

[savemefromdumbya]

52. Since they've lied about everything else.........

sounds fishy when they tried to stop an investigation of 9/11.

[Beelzebud]

60. Wow, 81% of those people AREN'T asleep!

[Name removed]

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[sendero]

63. You'd have to be as dumb..

... as a bag of hammers to think that 911 went down as the myths portray. But, like the JFK asassination, I really doubt if we'll ever know the whole truth.

Suffice it to say that there was either direct collusion with the "enemy" or a level of incompetence throughout our government that is truly criminally negligent.

[RBHam]

64. F.A.A. Official Scrapped Tape of 9/11 Controllers' Statements

F.A.A. Official Scrapped Tape of 9/11 Controllers' Statements
By MATTHEW L. WALD
New York Times
Published: May 6, 2004


WASHINGTON, May 6 — At least six air traffic controllers who dealt with two of the hijacked airliners on Sept. 11, 2001, made a tape recording that same day describing the events, but the tape was destroyed by a supervisor without anyone making a transcript or even listening to it, the Transportation Department said in a report today.

The taping began before noon on Sept. 11 at the New York Air Route Traffic Control Center, in Ronkonkoma, on Long Island, where about 16 people met in a basement conference room known as "the Bat Cave" and passed around a microphone, each recalling his or her version of the events a few hours earlier.

But officials at the center never told higher-ups of the tape's existence, and it was later destroyed by an F.A.A. official described in the report as a quality-assurance manager there. That manager crushed the cassette in his hand, shredded the tape and dropped the pieces into different trash cans around the building, according to a report made public today by the inspector general of the Transportation Department.

The tape had been made under an agreement with the union that it would be destroyed after it was superseded by written statements from the controllers, according to the inspector general's report. But the quality-assurance manager asserted that making the tape had itself been a violation of accident procedures at the Federal Aviation Administration, the report said.

The inspector general, Kenneth M. Mead, said that the officials' keeping the existence of the tape a secret and the decision by one to destroy it had not served "the interests of the F.A.A., the department or the public" and could foster suspicions among the public.

Mr. Mead had been asked by Senator John McCain, the Arizona Republican who is chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, to look into how well the aviation agency had cooperated with what is widely known as the 9/11 commission, a bipartisan, independent panel investigating the terror attacks.

On the tape, the controllers, some of whom had spoken by radio to people on the planes and some who had tracked the aircraft on radar, gave statements of 5 to 10 minutes each, according to the report.

more...

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/06/national/06CND-TAPE.html?ex=1399262400&en=3473eb2aa7591d4e&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND

[savemefromdumbya]

66. I wonder what was said?

[RBHam]

68. Some here don't care, they trust Bush...

They know who they are...

Just saw Erica Jong on Showboz tonight!

Bush is a dictator! Most young people she's talked to believe that 9-11 was an inside job!

[RBHam]

69. Some here don't care, they trust Bush...

They know who they are...

Just saw Erica Jong on Showboz tonight!

Bush is a dictator! Most young people she's talked to believe that 9-11 was an inside job!

[hopeisaplace]

67. Been busy, and today, Hubby says he heard on the Radio how

they (the media) are reporting the/a cover up of 911 (they probably used the word "alleged")
...and Headline News on right now, on Charlie Sheen coming out making the
statement...

WHOA!!! I can't believe this hitting MSM at this pace??? (I'm in Canada, so
maybe it's quieter for you there, but still, may I say "whoa")..
But Headline News is US, so you're probably hearing the same thing right?




edit: fixed typos

[wakemewhenitsover]

71. Is it just a coincidence that Bush was at a photo op that day?

Isn't it kind of strange that he was promoting "education" at a moment that everybody knew would always be remembered, instead of on his perpetual vacation?

Isn't it kind of a coincidence that he was in his brother's state of Florida?

Isn't it strange that he was doing something that would play so well to the public?

Almost as if he were there to be insulated and at the same time look Presidential?

Doesn't it seem like a staged photo-op that was planned in advance?

Has anyone ever analyzed his schedule for the rest of that month, to figure out what the likelihood was of his being in such a picture-perfect multi-ethnic school setting?

[Vidar]

72. 81% believe 9-11 events falsified, 19% support Cheney. Hmmm.

[serryjw]

73. This country is CRAZY!

83% think that the US gov't covered up events of 9-11 and 36% support this administration????

19% support this administration KNOWING they covered up the events of 9-11

[RBHam]

74. Just CNN viewers who answered...

Still, after 4 and a half years of constant propaganda supporting the 9-11 Big Lie...

Amazing.

There's hope.

Unless those SOB's have a contingency plan...

They NEED SOMETHING BIG to close the door completely on Democracy as we've known it.

How far will they go?

Knowing what we do now?

Hyper-vigilance is needed, I'd say.

[galatea]

75. only an idiot

would believe that those two towers would collapse because of heat. Then building 7 collapsed out of the blue. Hilarious.

You need a very basic knowledge of controlled demolition to realize what happened that day. You don't need a CNN poll.

[Pam-Moby]

79. Quick Vote: Do you agree with Charlie Sheen that the U.S.

government covered up the real events of the 9/11 attacks?
http://edition.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/showbiz.tonight/

Hope this is not a dupe!

[SammyWinstonJack]

80. Done.

[Swamp Rat]

81. Yes 82%

Yes 82%
9255 votes

No 18%
2027 votes

Total: 11282 votes

[HamdenRice]

130. If I've never said it before, SwampRat -- I love your MIHOP graphic! nt

[jedicord]

82. Wow. 82% Yes.

America is waking up.

[liberal N proud]

83. Yes

[texpatriot2004]

84. Charlie Sheen is correct. nm

[mdmc]

85. yes

:kick:

[Greyhound]

86. Wow, again! 82%

I'm feeling a little hope. Quick somebody slap me with reality. :wow:

[peekaloo]

87. still 82% yes.

[melissinha]

88. I'm a LIHOPer myself

but that falls under the "covered up teh real events"

Its not that MIHOP isn't quite possible, but I think they will cover up the truth so well that MIHOP will never be proven....

Apparently the New York Magazine has a piece by Mark Jacobson on the Ground Zero Grassy Knoll: http://newyorkmetro.com/news/features/16464/

[underpants]

89. That's a loaded question-I voted NO

Did they cover up in terms of LIHOP or MIHOP? SOrry I REFUSE to go there.

Did they cover up due to their own gross negligence and incompetence? I would assume yes.

I think the question is geared towards the first one so I answered NO.

[bpilgrim]

104. I REFUSE to go there

thats the problem... the M$MWs refuse to even go there so how can anyone know what is going on?

ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away though.

peace

[stickdog]

107. And if you REFUSE to go there,

who benefits? :tinfoilhat:




;-)

[Immad2]

90. done - yes!

Do you agree with Charlie Sheen that the U.S. government covered up the real events of the 9/11 attacks?

Yes
82%
9915 votes

No
18%
2188 votes

Total: 12103 votes

[Loge23]

91. Yes, but MIHOP is tough to believe

These conspiracy theories about bombs going off are really hard to believe.
While the collapse of the towers is somewhat strange, the whole affair is unprecedented. Who knows what to expect when fully loaded planes fly into a building anyway?
I do believe that with proper oversight the tragic events could have been prevented. It's those issues that we will never know about rather than some grand conspiracy to make this thing happen, IMO.

[stickdog]

109. Did any planes crash into WTC-7?

Is there any physical evidence to believe that any of the WTC towers were heated long enough or hot enough to weaken the steel enough to cause a total and catastrophic collapse?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=45315&mesg_id=45315

[Zodiak]

124. The empire state building

a B-29 hit it back during WWII (or another bomber). Regardless, the building did not fall.

[The Magistrate]

168. A B25, Sir

A much smaller and lighter twin engined machine, flying at a much slower speed, for the pilot was aware he was in fog, and striking a building of very different structure. The incidents are not comparable.

[goforit]

134. More like you refuse to believe.....Psychological denial.

[Taxloss]

92. I get all my beliefs from Charlie Sheen.

He had the moral authority to appear in the epoch-defining Hot Shots Part Deux, so I buy into everything he says. A man whose knowledge of structural engineering is limited to "appearing in a film that had the word 'Wall' in the name" would always be my first choice for advice on MIHOP. His judgement, already clearly shown in his decision to appear in Scary Movie 4, in using a vile right-wing radio programme to make his case is self-evident. Cynics would describe his stance as the witless maunderings of a clueless celebrity on a par with John Travolta's belief in Scientology, but not me.

[carlvs]

93. Come On...

If you can't trust a internet poll that can be easily manipulated by those whose mindset belongs in the same category as those who were saying that former President Clinton was having his opponents murdered, what can you trust? :sarcasm:

[stickdog]

112. You guys just love these tag team pile ons, don't you?

Ridicule subthreads are so pre-9/11 ...

[Catrina]

94. I don't know much about Charlie Sheen, but if he said the earth was not

flat I'd have to agree with him. Otoh, if he said that Bush was a great president, I'd definitely disagree with him. Iow, he would not influence me one way or the other, nor would his father, who has been a tireless advocate and activist for issues I mostly agree with. Both are citizens of the US, so they have a right to their opinions.

I am always surprised at the attitude that celebrities should 'shut up and sing' to use a fairly well-known directive from the radical right to the Dixie Chicks when they dared to offer an opinion on the current 'president'.

I respect their right, as much as anyone else's, to answer a question regarding their opinions on current events, if they choose to do so. As far as influencing anyone, polls show that most people are not influenced by celebrities, but will think more kindly of those whose opinions they agree with, naturally.

Charlie Sheen apparently agrees with me and a large portion of the population this time ~ at least 50% of NY residents believe that the Bush administration had something to do with 9/11 ~ but that was over a year ago. It may be more now ~

I used to find it impossible to even think this way, but then I saw the torture pictures, the war dead, the children blown to bits etc. and after a while, I had little doubt that killing and torturing human beings was something these ambitious, evil, greedy, power-hungry so-called leaders, have no problem with ~ they do not respect life, any kind of life.

If I had even the slightest doubt they might have had something to do with 9/11, Katrina cured all those doubts. George Bush did not even mention the victims of Katrina in his SOTU address ~ and these were US citizens. He has not even made sure that the bodies are retrieved. So, why would it be so hard to imagine them being in some way responsible for another tragic event, especially when they had so much to gain from it?

[bpilgrim]

106. he is just echoing the vast research already done on the INTERNETs

shoot we got a whole forum dedicated to just this topic to help educate and spread the word.

he is just playing his small part.

peace

[stickdog]

110. So I take it that you think everything about the official CT is 100%

correct, even the contradictions?

Just wondering ...

Sheen ain't anything special, but his discussion on 9/11 was (perhaps surprisingly) rational. Why attack the messenger rather than the message?

[Taxloss]

119. Binary thinking.

"If you don't believe X, you must believe Y." That isn't the case, as you know.

I read a transcript of the conversation. Sheen's views appear to be based on his own impressions, which is fair enough, but does not make for a case. And, in the case of Alex Jones, the medium is the message.

Here's the only bit of UK commentary about the discussion that I've seen so far, by Marina Hyde:

He's a right Charlie

Mr Sheen is the latest celebrity to confuse fact and fiction

Pay attention, civilians. Actor Charlie Sheen has been focusing his mind on the official explanation for 9/11. And you know what? He's not buying it. "It just didn't look like any commercial jetliner I've flown on any time in my life," the Hotshots Part Deux star told a US radio station this week, "and then when the buildings came down later on that day, I said to my brother 'call me insane', but did it sorta look like those buildings came down in a controlled demolition?"

You're insane. Next.

...

Mmm. For many celebrities, conspiracy theories are the VIP rooms of history. Sure, you'll have your Earl Warrens and your senate investigations patrolling the velvet rope, but if you know the right people, and have access to enormous quantities of self-regard, you can get through to the inner sanctum where they tell you It's All A Big Lie.

Frankly, with dentistry as expensive as yours, you simply can't afford to let The Man stamp his jackboot down on your face, and so it is that when faced with the inquiry "did Lee Harvey Oswald act alone?", you find yourself thinking: "God, I mean ... do any of us? Like, he had to have people, you know? At least an agent and a publicist."

more ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,1739254,00.html

It seems we agree. And before you attack the messenger, Hyde is a leftist working on a left-wing paper.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

95. Please answer this poll regarding 9/11

http://edition.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/showbiz.tonight/

[Rude Horner]

96. Done.

Wow! Even I'm surprised at how many "yes"'s there were. Looks like I'm not such a minority after all. :)

[babylonsister]

97. I wonder if that poll has been designed solely to take/get hits?

It's been around for days now, it's on the entertainment page, and people can just keep voting.

[CJCRANE]

108. Just like the msnbc poll on impeachment..

that seemed to be up for weeks.

I wonder if it's to find out what people really believe, or just a ploy to make people think their views are being heard?

[NVMojo]

98. hmmmm, hmmmmm! Kick!

[yorkiemommie1]

99. done

n/t

[ClayZ]

100. looky those numbers.... Kick

:kick:

[reprehensor]

101. Let the good times roll.

[stickdog]

113. 83% with 34,000 total votes ...

This poll must be rigged . :tinfoilhat:

[slaveplanet]

116. I see looney people

luckily, they're in the minority, but still quite dangerous :nuke:

[Ufomammut]

121. It feels good to know how nervous this is making certain people!!!

[gator_in_Ontario]

117. duh

[HughBeaumont]

118. Once again, MIHOP does not require belief of CD/Pentagate.

This is what naysayers don't seem to be getting. Not ALL of us completely buy into the CD/Pentagate theories, but that alone doesn't necessarily mean we DON'T believe in MIHOP. I still firmly and honestly believe that this bunch of criminals (and I'm not talking about JUST Al Quaeda, folks) had a hand in all of this. It's empirically impossible for me to solely blame this on incompetence; I don't give a SHIT what anyone says, THEY KNEW and they made it happen on purpose because they LET it happen on purpose.

Simply following the timelines and events before the attacks, the illegality past associates of this cabal were involved in throughout history, the mainstream reports out of the Arab community prior to the attacks, PNAC's damning mission statements, ruling out the possibility of NORAD and the FAA bellyflopping ON THAT DAY ONLY; reading carefully all of what is espoused in The Terror Timeline (which doesn't at ALL go into CD), I mean how the HELL can anyone seriously rule out that Cheney, Rummy the Dummy, Condosleeza and the rest of these liars are perfectly innocent? These bastards who have lied to us throughout their entire term, have lied and gotten away with more criminal acts and are responsible for more civilian and soldier deaths than any phantom greybeard on dialysis could hope to pull off and use a bought and paid for media to sell and defend their acts? How the HELL can people seriously look me in the eye, look the 9/11 families who have lost loved ones in the eyes and tell me with a completely straight face that these assholes are innocent of ANY wrongdoing?

You can sit there and think your government is this unit who's still civil, who still values the needs of Americans and who believes in doing the right thing, but don't shit on the rest of us and call us retards and all other kinds of ad hominems for believing MIHOP.

A few thousand dead Americans means shiz-NIT to these dickheads. They'll nuke an American city if it meant exploiting the populace and making more crony money, and don't think for one SECOND that they won't. And really, how would you know any better and what would any of us do about it? They got the media, the corporations and the guns on their side.

I'm just saying to not believe the Bewsh administration and their cabal had ANYthing to do with 9/11, COME on. You're smarter than this, people.

[glitch]

132. Thank you. They don't believe any other bushco tale, but they do believe

their tale of 9/11. And if they don't believe the official tale either, why shout down the "conspiracy theorists" who are questioning it? Odd disconnect.

"I'm just saying to not believe the Bewsh administration and their cabal had ANYthing to do with 9/11, COME on. You're smarter than this, people."

[motocicleta]

162. why does that seem like such a psycho opinion to these people?

thanks glitch. Well put.

[stepnw1f]

120. Yes - 83%

Yes - 83%
29885 votes

No - 17%
5981 votes

Total: 35866 votes

[lonestarnot]

122. MIHOP

[goforit]

135. 100 % Wag the dog!! Planned and premeditated and intentional.

Mind you,....remember how ruthless and cocky they were when it
happened?

[Twist_U_Up]

127. Its Time........MIHOP

[earth mom]

128. Anyone who believes the "official story" after the 5 years of lies & hell

the BFEE has put this country through are the loony ones IMO.

You want a REAL conspiracy theory?

Look no further than how the BFEE covers up their evil deeds. :puke:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

137. 83%!!!!!!!!! K&R!!!!!

Yes


83%

31313 votes
No


17%

6212 votes

[ArmchairMeme]

140. I am with the majority

83%

31662 votes at 1:10 pm 3/25

I believe there was a coverup because there was an immediate unwillingness to investigate what happened.
The answers were provided immediately!
THe steel was shipped out of the U.S. right away.
THe EPA was told to falsify the air quality in New York to SATISFY the people that it was SAFE to breathe the air!
Everything was incinerated except the passport of the leader! I don't believe it.
The Arabians were quickly whisked out of the country when all Americans were grounded!
Bush knew what would be happening - just look at his face - no surprise to him.
He didn't even initiate any orders upon hearing that "we're under attack" Any other president would have spun into action and begun giving orders, not * because he had already been briefed on the action and the outcome.

In my humble opinion.

Just one in We The People

[electron_blue]

151. So what does the rest of the world think?

[Peter Frank]

158. Latest tally...

Yes 84% 35532 votes

No 16% 6869 votes

Total: 42401 votes

[motocicleta]

163. whaddaya know

It's staying remarkably consistent, growing yet maintaining its overall proportions. I'm sure it's just a fluke, though, eh boys? Maybe we could get one of our resident fucking geniuses to analyze what the consistency means. Come on, redstone, scotty, make7, taxloss, pablum, make me proud!

PS I don't actually care what it means. I just like to put you monkeys through your paces.

PPS Didn't any of you wonder, on 9/11, how they just goddamn knew who the hijackers were so goddamn fast? Yet they couldn't stop them before hand? I sure wondered ... so I started looking into it! You might try it, jackals.

[savemefromdumbya]

164. patsies

I would liked to be a fly on the wall when the hijackers checked in on 'the flights'

[mirandapriestly]

165. On second thought...nt