Lt. Col. Dr. Robert Bowman: "my prime suspect would be Dick Cheney"

[Andre II]

"The former head of the Star Wars missile defense program under Presidents Ford and Carter has gone public to say that the official version of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory":

"The exercises that went on that morning simulating the exact kind of thing that was happening so confused the people in the FAA and NORAD....that they didn't they didn't know what was real and what was part of the exercise. (...) [] I think the people who planned and carried out those exercises, they're the ones that should be the object of investigation. (...)If I had to narrow it down to one person....I think my prime suspect would be Dick Cheney."

Interview here:
http://prisonplanet.tv/audio/030406bowman.htm

But I guess of course Bowman is just nuts and has not the slightest clue what he's talking about ....

[file83]

1. You know, the 'stand down' aspect of 9/11 often gets overlooked

here in this forum, probably because there aren't any videos or photos to display. It's not nearly as glamorous, and for that reason, the least discussed.

Should we MIHOP/LIHOPr's maybe try and shift some focus back on this topic here in this forum? I say so.

And this latest statement from Bowman is a pretty good place to start. Even the naysayers have to ask themselves, why on Earth would this guy say this, if he didn't have a good reason to? Why make something up just to get criticized after such a long career? I know that doesn't prove his claims are correct, but it does beg further investigation.

[reprehensor]

2. This is pretty good on 'Wargames'

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2005/11/war-games-of-september-11th.html

Good roundup.

[FloridaPat]

3. I don't think a lot of people realize what happened here. I use to

be an air traffic controller but then there was Reagan. We use to seal off airspace for their games and separate the military traffic with the civilan traffic. These things were planned months in advanced and were always "top secrect". Most of the military people knew when they were though. They were suppose to be suprise "attacks" to see the reaction times of the troosp. I've even seen them canceled because of weather.

Had I known about the war games going on that day, I would have suspected the gov't immediately. To have fake planes on the air traffic controllers radars is unbelieveable. To have 99% of the air power of the NE military defense up in the air without weapons is amazing. And to have the VP running the show is astounding.

Most people don't realize exactly what is involved in all this. In June of 2001 the FAA rescinded the order that allowed pilots to have guns on board. Not that many pilots carried guns, but that order had been around for over 20 years. Amazingly it was done right before 9-11.

Yeah - the gov't did it.

[mirandapriestly]

5. I don't think it's because there "aren't photos"

I think it is because - how far can you go with the existing information? how many times can you say, "Yeah,it must have been a stand down." I think many start there , then see that the corporate media is not talking about it and nothing is happening, then keep looking for something that maybe they will notice. When people ask me about 9-11, the first thing I tell them is the lack of response situation, because that is what initially convinced me. But how long can you stay on that one topic? people are looking for new topics is all. If someone were to start a post on stand down, it would only get one or two courtesy responses, because yes, it's suspicious as hell, but there are no new developments.

[medienanalyse]

15. I agree, but it is not coincidence. Take Sen. Dayton

It is not coincidental that this forum and the community of the sceptics are brought to other issues. It is DONE by pictures and aburdities brought into discussion by interested sides.
No wonder that the important facts to rely on are systematically hidden. That is the question "who did it", so the identity and evidence around the alleged hijackers- which is hidden under "what happened" questions.

And the air defense. So we have the poor reference on a low ranking Bowman instead of taking ministers of defense, experts or Senator Dayton:

" ....seven minutes after the hijacked plane had crashed in Pennsylvania, their pilots were ordered not to fire upon an incoming plane.

The 9/11 Commission determined that President Bush and Vice President Cheney did not discuss the shoot-down authority necessary to defend our country from those airborne terrorists, until almost two hours after the first hijacking and ten minutes after the last hijacked plane had crashed.....
Almost 2 ½ hours after the first hijacking began, our country was still undefended. Had there been more planes hijacked that morning, as the terrorists once intended, they could have reached their targets and killed more innocent Americans. ..."

My guess is Andre II and you did not know this quote. Why not ? Because some obviously wrong remarks alongside these important sentences ? No- because there is information policy and because people do not concentrate on main issues, do not save their time.

Read http://www.medienanalyse-international.de/rumsfeld.html

It is enough to bring Rumsfeld Bush and Cheney into jail. Some pixels here and there would not do it, never.

or look at /kean.html. The findings about fiduciary are stunning.

[medienanalyse]

18. the Link to Senator Dayton

http://dayton.senate.gov/news/details.cfm?id=228409&&

[mirandapriestly]

4. The corporate media won't even cover it

when someone of this stature speaks out, how much more indication do you need that the media is owned?

[reprehensor]

6. Bowman Will Run as a Dem for Congress....

Although not running on a 9/11 Truth platform, Bowman has been very outspoken about what happened on 9/11.

He will run as a Democrat in Florida, but first, we need to collect 5,000 signatures to get Dr. Bob on the ballot before April 10! Please print the petition below and mail to:

Bowman for Congress
P.O. Box 2078
Melbourne, FL 32941

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

7. edit - somewhat my bad

can't be arsed to explain myself

[reprehensor]

8. Partial transcript.

Former Head Of Star Wars Program Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect

The former head of the Star Wars missile defense program under Presidents Ford and Carter has gone public to say that the official version of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory and his main suspect for the architect of the attack is Vice President Dick Cheney.

Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President’s Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers Gold Medal (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors. His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the country’s foremost experts on National Security.

Bowman worked secretly for the US government on the Star Wars project and was the first to coin the very term in a 1977 secret memo. After Bowman realized that the program was only ever intended to be used as an aggressive and not defensive tool, as part of a plan to initiate a nuclear war with the Soviets, he left the program and campaigned against it.

In an interview with The Alex Jones Show aired nationally on the GCN Radio Network, Bowman (pictured below) stated that at the bare minimum if Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda were involved in 9/11 then the government stood down and allowed the attacks to happen. He said it is plausible that the entire chain of military command were unaware of what was taking place and were used as tools by the people pulling the strings behind the attack...

more@link

[mirandapriestly]

9. I took notes,

These are just notes, not transcript, in case you are in a hurry.

Bowman has been in 101 combat missions. He said nothing about demolition or anything like that. His point of view is not of a theorist, but there are unanswered questions, that need to be answered

administration named bin laden before 2nd hit
If they have nothing to hide why are they confiscating & destroying evidence?
Maneuvers too difficult for flunkee flight school arabs
If standard operating procedure had been followed they would not have gotten near targets
(ordered to fly at 350 mph - alex jones said??)
Bowman - by time got orders to scramble, it was half an hour too late. If ordered on time they could have intercepted.
BOWMAN WAS AN INTERCEPTOR PILOT. All the events which s.o.p. calls for to scramble jets would happen by DEFAULT happened yet no scramble. There HAD TO BE STAND DOWN. If gov had stayed out of it and let things happen naturally (s.o.p.)911 wouldn't have gotten to where it did. SOMEWHERE treason happened.

motive-neocons 1991 revise republished prior to gwb in 2000 PNAC libby, perle, wolfowitz, jeb, cheney, etc...US must OCCUPY Iraq not just for oil but military control (it shares all the borders) control resources pipelines, (Clinton Bosnia(Caspian oil) in on it too,) They said only can get control of Iraq with new Pearl Harbor. Pearl harbor killed same # as 911.
Incompetence? then why has no one been fired reprimanded court marshalled
Bowman used to be conservative republican. These 3 were conservative beliefs, but no longer are:
fiscal responsibility
stay out of foreign countries
individual rights (no one read patriot act, It destroys more rights than any terrorist)

Prime suspect: Dick Cheney, but need real independent investigation, not sham whitewash like 9-11 (c)ommission

We don't have evidence to decide if bin laden was involved and they let happen or totally planned
no one below top WH level would know everything that was going on
Drills used confused those involved so they didn't know what was going on.
In Congress he wants real investigation NOT to say he has answers. We don't know enough to have answers. Official version impossible.
whistle blowing difficult-death threats, harassment, bribery

both agree these guys (neocons) need another 911.
they both know high up people who know it's inside job, but won't come forward don't want to lose jobs, etc..
Bowman running for congress He says 72 others running are all combat brothers running against war next time.
Bowman 2006.com, send money Paypal, etc..
Neocons want dictatorship. Iraq is corporate war, Iraq war is not single act of stupidity, but new form of colonialism, long time in planning.

He is hoping enough people in military willing to get fired in order another war aggression. Hopes they will disobey orders that are illegal; 911 was Reichstag fire
Star Wars only useful in hands of aggressor. Lunatic Fringe in Reagan's time got him to do Star Wars made him think it was his idea. they already had program. Bowman spoke out then, His joint chief of staff called bowman told him they had gag order, but asked him to please speak out because he retired in time to not have gag order. when he spoke out he became whistle blower, troublemaker
Space based weapons -we would have had instantaneous nuke war if Reagan had gotten what he wanted. Space weapons vulnerable to modest technology so any country who has this could also use it against our planes, for example. They say Star Wars hoax just like 911 (I don't really get that).

[theobscure]

10. thanks for posting the clip...

just listened to it. I'm just astounded how someone like him saying what he is saying cannot even get a mention in the mainstream media.

[MrSammo1]

11. cannot even get a mention in the mainstream media

Funny........I consider that the most telling aspect of 911.

The neocons couldn't have pulled it off with the media's complicity.

[mirandapriestly]

12. That also makes it difficult for people to accept

that all the media is silent about it. They would not have been able to pull anything off without the help of the corp media.
It makes me realize that everything is pretty much a lie.

[theobscure]

13. nor could they have pulled it off without Congressional complicity

[MrSammo1]

14. nor could they have pulled it off without Congressional complicity

They could if they fed them a different story from the start.
one under the guise of National Security.

That's how it was done!

It's so obvious! Why doesn't Cynthia McKinney mention the obvious Pentagon lie? Or the missing Shanksville jet?

Doesn't it also seem strange that none of the families of the Pentagon and Shanksville "jet" ever voice concern over the missing evidence? After 4 and a half years........they haven't heard anything concerning this issue? This is more than strange!

Can you say Operation Northwoods neocon style?

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"Where were our aircraft, when a missile is heading toward the Pentagon" - Jamie S. Gorelick <9/11 Commission>
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Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filled with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. - Donald Rumsfeld speaking at the Pentagon (His first planted lie)
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[seatnineb]

16. Good points Mr Sammo...............

I would add the hijacker's families into that mix aswell.

Particular Hani Hanjour's.

I would have thought that the family of this Hanjour:



.....would be very vocal about the fact that the Hanjour walking through Dulles security on 9/11/01 looks nothin' like their own boy!

[mirandapriestly]

17. Why do you think they don't say anything?/nt

[seatnineb]

22. I think you might be right...................

By Jamal Khashoggi & Badr Al-Nayyef
September 22, 2001

JEDDAH — The family of Hani Hasan Hanjour, a suspect in the Sept. 11 attack on the Pentagon in Washington, have started accepting messages of condolence in the belief that their son may have died in the airplane that crashed into the Pentagon.

Hanjour’s family has denied his involvement in the operation. “We don’t know what happened to our son on the plane. He had contacted us eight hours before the incident to inquire about our health. He was very normal,” the family told the Saudi daily Al-Watan

http://www.arabview.com/articles.asp?article=98

[mirandapriestly]

23. Right about what? I didn't understand what you meant

I don't know much about this and I'm trying to learn more..:)

[seatnineb]

25. Check this out:

This Hani Hanjour:



........appears to have a brother.

Even today, his family cannot fathom his alleged role in the plot. They recognized his photograph as the person who investigators say crashed American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon on Sept. 11.

"We are in shock," his eldest brother, Abulrahman Hanjour, said in a recent telephone interview from Saudi Arabia. "We thought that he liked the USA. ... I would think he would give his life to save lives, not to do this."

http://billstclair.com/911timeline/2001/capecodtimes102101.html

So why has not this same "brother" made any statement regarding the discrepancy that can be clearly seen in the Dulles surveillance footage which shows somebody-else posing as Hani Hanjour.........

[MrSammo1]

20. I would add the hijacker's families into that mix aswell.

It's a lot easier for the neocons to censor the supposed hijackers families. I believe Michael Moore even pointed this out in his 911 movie.

(strange.....the Pentagon scene in that movie.......seemed to me to be the most important part!)

[theobscure]

21. "hijackers" themselves have come forward

The BBC, among other media has reported, many of the actual hijackers ( I believe as many as 9) themselves to be alive and well in countries around the Middle East. One is reported to have even gone to an American embassy in an attempt to clear his name.

The fact that the "hijacker" list has not been updated to reflect this development just goes to further show just how brazen our government is in terms of this deception. I increasingly believe that the government wants us to know they did it. And they want us to know, they know we know, they did it.

[theobscure]

19. sorry, don't buy that they've all been duped & for this long n/t

[simonm]

24. London bombing had similar "exercises"