From the mouths of babes

[Duer 157099]

My 6th grader has recently been studying volcanoes in his Science class.

Yesterday, he happened to ask me about 9/11 because he saw me looking at some 9/11 websites.

I showed him a photo of one of the WTCs collapse, and the very first words out of his mouth were:

"That looks like a pyroclastic cloud"

LOL, I told him, yeah, it does, huh

[petgoat]

1. What kind of world are we going to hand over to them?

I think about that every day.

And they do too.

[DoYouEverWonder]

2. That's exactly what it looks like

and there are only two things in the world that can make something that looks like that. A volcano and a WMD.

[sabbat hunter]

3. ever wonder

ever wonder why people havent died of radiation poisioning or geiger counters didnt go off if a WMD was used at the WTC?

[DoYouEverWonder]

4. Either a low yield weapon

or a conventional weapon could have been used.

Besides, there were elevated levels of radiation at the WTC, plus a fair bit of uranium in the analysis of the dust.

BTW: People are sick and dying from working at the WTC.

[greyl]

11. Where do you get the idea

that radiation levels were higher than expected and that uranium levels were higher than normal?

[gbwarming]

5. Only two things... and a couple more

Rock slides can also make billowing, high speed flows of dust that linger for hours


http://www.aldha.org/yosemite.htm
" As much as 162,000 tons of granite plunged a third of a mile at more than 160 mph, according to new estimates by scientists with the U.S. Geological Survey. The rock broke from a cliff southeast of Glacier Point and landed in the Happy Isles Campground where the John Muir Trail begins its 212-mile journey south toward Mount Whitney.

The impact of the falling rock sounded like a giant cannon shot, nearby campers said, and reverberated through the earth for several minutes. A towering dust plume rose 2,000 feet from the valley and lingered for an hour, walling off the sun and thickening the air with grit."

Another example of a "pyroclastic" flow caused by a non-explosives induced collapse:

http://detroityes.com/downtown/22ywca.htm
"The wrecking ball rebounds after a mighty hit that fells the upper six floors of Downtown YWCA."

[DoYouEverWonder]

6. The difference between the two examples you sight

is that all the material is going down. There is some uplift of the lighter dust but it's mostly going down.

With the WTC and let's say a volcano, plumes of material are shotting up from the center and then failing back down. The only thing that can cause this effect is some sort of energy source.

[greyl]

7. You mean like heat from fire?

Besides that, your statement "With the WTC and let's say a volcano, plumes of material are shotting up from the center and then failing back down. The only thing that can cause this effect is some sort of energy source" is sloppy thinking and incorrect.

[DoYouEverWonder]

9. Then you tell me

how do you get material to shot straight up 100's of feet during a collapse before it falls down? In controlled demos all the material goes down, very little except clouds of fine dust go up and not very far.

[greyl]

10. Where do you get the idea

that material shot straight up 100's of feet?

[DoYouEverWonder]

12. By looking at the videos numerous times

and 1000's of pictures.

Here's one example:



See the black plume going up from the middle of the building? Can you explain to me what could cause that plume to occur?


If you are interested that are more images and discuss here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=80026&mesg_id=80026

[greyl]

13. Haha.

You do realize that smoke rises above heat, right?

[DoYouEverWonder]

14. Smoke did not rise much that day.

Even while the towers were burning, the smoke went straight out but not up much.







Here's another picture of large amounts of material going up a lot, before it comes down.



What do you think happened?

[greyl]

15. Oh, I see. You're misinterpreting the visual evidence.

There's nothing in the photo(or any other) showing material other than smoke or heated particulates going up - nothing of significant weight, iow. You're mistaking the primarily vertically oriented remains of the collapsing building for material traveling upward.
For good measure, note that there is zero material higher than the original height of the building other than billowing smoke and fine particulates.

[DoYouEverWonder]

16. The top third is the original fire and bits of the building

The event that brought the building down occurred in the middle third and those plumes are the results of those explosions.

The bottom third is what you would normally see in a controlled demolition where almost all of the material, except for some smoke goes down. But there are some explosions going up to the right of the box that seem to be coming from the lower levels of the building. My theory is that they used elevators to place the weapons and they could easily have put the loaded elevators in the middle and the basement. Shut them down for 'repairs', gee the parts won't be in until next week and who would ever notice?


There are some videos of controlled demos that I'll try to find the links for later but for the moment, I've got to go.

[greyl]

17. Are you now agreeing that there's no material shooting up

hundreds of feet?


Not to dilute the subject here, but:
Do you have any evidence that elevators were closed for repairs? (not that that's crucial at this stage)

If explosives were planted, why spend the time and effort to orchestrate the hijackings? Why risk the failure of the hijackings and crashes when framing al-q for planting explosives would have been 'easier' and less risky?

: but that's for a different thread.

[DoYouEverWonder]

20. Because they had to make people believe

the whole thing was done with box cutters.

They can't even admit that they shot down Flight 93, you expect them to admit that not only did Usama fly planes into buildings, the security was so bad that he also planted bombs in them? Hence the need for the 9-11 fairytale the government put out. Hence the need to deter any real investigation. Because just like the anthrax attack, it had to be an inside job and if people find out there were weapons involved it takes the whole game to a new level. That's why.

In regards to your first question, I believe if you look at what happens to the middle of the building during the collapse, that is where the activity is. There is a lot of big plumes and even a small mushroom cloud going up 100's of feet. They just never got as high as the 100th floor. If a set of explosions started at the 50th(?) floor, then debris shotting up even 30 floors would be significant but wouldn't reach the original top of the building. Once the top of the building met the debris going up, gravity would win and that debris would rather quickly begin to fall down again, hence the lovely effect of the plumes pealing away.

edit: Found a good video of the collapse. Notice the 'steamy' looking cloud that continues to go up even after the building has collapsed. This effect does not happen in a controlled demolition. Or from a building pancaking like in an earthquake. It persists for quite awhile at the end. It takes a while to load but it's worth it.

http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/tower1_dust_cloud_afterglow.mpg

Also here's a couple of short videos of actually controlled demos. These collapses are much 'cleaner' there is no concentrated center of activity, it is evenly spread. There is no a lot of UP energy. Every thing except the lightest material goes down.

[petgoat]

21. Why the planes?

Because planes-as-potential-missiles are ubiquitous while bombs in buildings are far away and
rare. The purpose is terror, remember. The vulnerability of civilization.

[DoYouEverWonder]

22. Plus the pyrotechnics were so much better

with the planes.

[petgoat]

23. True, those fireball images will last a thousand years. nt

[greyl]

8. That's all you told him?

Great.

What kind of children are we leaving behind for the world?

[Duer 157099]

18. LOL, no, that's not all I told him

That was just the beginning.

[MrSammo1]

19. You've got a smart one on your hands!

;o)