Senator Dayton`s Question

[medienanalyse]

still in the open:

Senator Dayton:

" ....seven minutes after the hijacked plane had crashed in Pennsylvania, their pilots were ordered not to fire upon an incoming plane.

The 9/11 Commission determined that President Bush and Vice President Cheney did not discuss the shoot-down authority necessary to defend our country from those airborne terrorists, until almost two hours after the first hijacking and ten minutes after the last hijacked plane had crashed.....
Almost 2 ½ hours after the first hijacking began, our country was still undefended. Had there been more planes hijacked that morning, as the terrorists once intended, they could have reached their targets and killed more innocent Americans. ..."

http://dayton.senate.gov/news/details.cfm?id=228409&&




Read http://www.medienanalyse-international.de/rumsfeld.html

It is enough to bring Rumsfeld Bush and Cheney into jail.
or look at http://www.medienanalyse-international.de/kean.html. The findings about fiduciary are stunning.

[medienanalyse]

1. A Senator has more political weight and

gets more attention and is better to quote tha

a Lt. Col. - which is not directed against Bouman. For sure not.

But eben in the description of the facts (which is largely wrong in the remarks of Sen. Dayton) Dayton is more to the point.

Why ?

Because the most important fact is that the U:S.A. had no air defense that day. Which is a political and military matter pointing to those who are responsible.

In comparison it is not so much important what airgames were going on.

Why ?

Because any military exercise is clearly defined as separate from a mission like airpolicing. Exercise and drills are in every country, in every century, in every kind of weapons clearly differed from the "real thing" - otherwise the military of the world would have massacred themselves thousands of times.

Air policing is important. The stand down is important. The function of Andrews AFB is the main question, incl. the "stand down" of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld.

The technical term to differ between airpolicing and a QRA alert and wargames and civilian air traffic is DISCRIMINATION.

[Andre II]

2. Thanks a lot for bringing that

to attention!
What was this incoming plane?

Btw your findings on fiduciary are indeed stunning and you should open a thread on them.

[medienanalyse]

3. sooner or later ...

some research, and translation takes time.
But I can offer for sure:
http://www.medienanalyse-international.de/kean.html

[Peter Frank]

4. Any One of These Three Conditions Automatically Prompt Scrambling...

* Loss of radio contact...

* Loss of transponder contact

* Deviant flight path (as observed by RADAR)

Anyone remember when Payne Stewart's "private" jet lost compression & was flying blind? Remember the footage from the scrambled planes? (they were right there with 10 minutes notice.)


BTW -- Where are the black boxes from 911? (Yeah I know -- National Security)

[mirandapriestly]

5. One time I tried to find how many ceo's on the upper floors

had died or were there during the impacts, and I remember there were very few. Most of the "important people" had coincidental excuses that day. These are the real clues to what happened but who among us has the power to have it investigated? Some big names have come out and even then, nothing except a fake "commission". The victims families aren't listened too, either, any more.

[medienanalyse]

6. the topic of this thread

should be Sen. Dayton and the lack of defense.

A "fiduciary" thread is coming up soon.

[bobbieinok]

12. read that the group that lost so many people on the top floor had

recently gotten into direct competition with Carlyle

only saw this a few times right after 9-11 and then never again

[savemefromdumbya]

7. did he ever get a real answer?

[medienanalyse]

8. A good question like: is Bush sitting on the electric chair already?

No, I do not know if Dayton got an answer at all. Or a "real" answer.

But I have the video of Dayton: http://www.alciada.net/dload.php?action=file&id=324

[savemefromdumbya]

9. Perhaps we should contact Dayton?

[medienanalyse]

10. Who is "we" ?

If you stick together with other sceptics, my transatlantic advice to you is:

try to motivate McKinney to contact Weldin and Dayton in a kind of "patriotic act", together with the Jerey sisters. Which means to form a movement. Which includes to loose leadership of people with too much "ego".

If you want to broaden the movement forget about all the nice pixels in this photo or that video. Politicians are not as childish as some sceptics are.

Concentrate on the main question WHO did it and additioally to the key question: "Who opened the skies for the attacks ?" The key question leads to the perpetrators, directly without deviations and red herrings.

[MrSammo1]

11. motivate McKinney to contact Weldin and Dayton

The fix is in. By now everyone in Congress know of the physical inconsistencies.

All remain quiet!

[medienanalyse]

13. No movement

What do politicians and officials do with "physical inconsistencies", with videos or photos ? They dismis them as evidence. Even if they were right (wjat they are not in my humble opinion) but even if: since about 20 years we know that videos can be falsified.

And the "physical evidence" questions are as well boring like hell and not leading anywhere.

They dismiss them. See i.e.
"The Observer" some days ago: ""The Home
Office believes the tape was edited after the suicide attacks and dismisses it as evidence of al-Qaeda's involvement in the attack."

If you want to impress politicians who act responsibly you should ask them the real questions. Otherwise they wont move - and I understand them.

[medienanalyse]

14. I forgot to provide the source

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1750139,00.html

[iconoclastNYC]

15. You are right.

We must ask the questions. You aren't going prove anythign with video. They wouldn't be that fucking studid as to let that happen.

[medienanalyse]

16. Videos do not prove anything but

they emotionalize.

Once I have seen one with the jumping victims on one side and Mr. Bush with his pet goat on the other side in one timline.

I would expect to broaden that into a real time viedeo: twao hours of video for two hours of a timeline. Sarting wit the first signs of hijacking in comparison with the SOP and what happened (nada). Bush in Sarasota, Rumsfeld having breakfast, people jumping, one plane after the other hijacked, mor breakfast, more pet goat. And the abilities of fighter jets: how fast, where in position, standards of air policing, QRA, NATO SOPs.

And a photo of "old sparky" and its best friend in the end.