All of those helicopters flying around the WTC on 9/11....

[Mind_your_head]

Does anyone know who/what they were? Who owned the helicopters? Why were they there? What were they doing there? Did they take any video of the event? If not, why not? What was their purpose? Who were the pilots? Have the pilots been identified and interviewed?

I haven't seen ANY video footage from the helicopters flying around the WTC's on 9/11. That seems very odd.

[Stephanie]

1. What are you talking about? There were police and fire helicopters

What is your point? Honest to god, I am sick of these inane theories about the WTC. There were THOUSANDS OF EYEWITNESSES to the events downtown that day. What do you think they are hiding about the helicopters that the THOUSANDS of witnesses didn't see? A girlfriend of mine watched the whole thing from tehe 28th floor of the building across the street. So did hundreds of others, no doubt. So what is your point?

[Mind_your_head]

5. My point is that helicopters in urban areas are routinely

dispatched to get aerial photography of an 'event'. For instance, your local traffic helicopter showing every morning what's happening on your local roadways....or (going back)....think of OJ Simpson running away in his white Bronco (that was November 1996!)....we all got to watch that on our teevees.

How come a HUGE/NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE event like an airplane(s) crashing into the WTC's in NYC didn't warrant VIDEO COVERAGE????? by helicopters flying by? Perhaps even regular traffic helicopters routinely up in the sky that day? Those folks didn't think there was a 'scoop'?

Where's the aerial video???

[aquart]

2. Jesus H. Christ.

Why don't you take 3 and one-half seconds and see if your brain could come up with a reason for helicopters.

Umfuckingbelievable.

[C_U_L8R]

3. I was there

I remember just a couple of police copters and maybe a news copter or two.
I think one was trying to get to the roof but the smoke was really intenese.
It would come pretty close then back off. They may have been just trying
to assess what was going on (things were happening pretty quickly.. and it wasn't good)

The really freaky thing were the two fighter jets (f-16s) that were buzzing the island -
maybe 10 -15 minutes after the second plane struck. They were grey without
visible markings and were doing CRAZY manoevres over downtown.
They scared the shit out of me... I was on the West Side Highway (around Chambers St)
and didn't know whether to run for cover or jump in the river. Seriously.

I don't think there was anything unusual going on with the helicopters. At least it did
not appear that way. There IS footage from helicoptors in a few documentaries and TV
specials I've seen. And yes.. to reinforce what the other posters have said.. there is
WAAY too much fantasy conspiracy chatter.. the events were pretty straight forward.. and devastatingly so.

[Mind_your_head]

4. If anyone would be kind enough to post footage (and source it)

from those helicopters, I would really appreciate seeing it.

TIA

[mirandapriestly]

12. helicopter videos

shock waves:
http://thewebfairy.com/911/shockwave.wmv

helicopters, reporters talk about "secondary explosions" -
http://earthnewsdaily.com/documents/2004/CoverUps/911WTC/SecondaryExplosionsWTC20040509.htm

different helicopter videos:
http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc2dem10/

[mirandapriestly]

13. Re: helicopter rescue

...And much has been made of the fact that a police helicopter radioed a warning at 10:07 a.m. on 9/11, shortly after the collapse of the south tower, a warning that the north tower was in imminent danger of collapse. The New York Times, in one of a series of in-depth stories based on Oral History interviews of rescue workers that the newspaper was able to obtain, led its account with the warning from the NYPD helicopter shortly after the south tower fell and 21 minutes before the second building came down. The Times estimated there were 121 firefighters still in the north tower, none of whom heard the police radio warning and all of whom died.

...The police helicopter warning has become the focus of all the What Went Wrong stories since. But in the same July 7 story, down in the middle of its massive account, The Times reported that a high-ranking chief of the FDNY radioed an evacuation order to all firefighters in the north tower at 9:32 a.m., after he felt the building move and saw the structure buckling and the windows breaking all around him in the lobby. That was 27 minutes before the south tower fell, 35 minutes before the police helicopter warning that the north tower was certain to go, and a full 56 minutes before the north tower collapsed....

...But hundreds of firefighters in the floors above never heard the Staff Chief’s radio command on their own radios, nor did they hear any of the frantic calls to evacuate that followed. And with 27 minutes still left before the first collapse, no one in the south tower heard his evacuation order either. The FDNY radios, the same ones that failed at the WTC in 1993, failed again at the same place eight years later...
more at link: http://www.evesmag.com/firefighters.htm

[savemefromdumbya]

9. did yo see the planes go in?

how close were you?

[C_U_L8R]

10. yes

i was on the sidewalk across the street when the first one went in .... did not see it but
heard it coming ... and like a typical NYer .. didn't think nothing of it until
it exploded right overhead.... realize that those buidings were HUGE. Looked up
and saw a gigantic fireball and ran inside for cover... all kinds of shit was
on it's way down. (i could talk for a long time just about that moment)

Made my way out to the World Financial Center and was hanging out at
a construction site talking with the workers. We were all looking at WTC1
(obviously) and trying to figure out what happened. That's when we heard the second
plane coming (you never forget the sounds)... but we couldn't see it as it was
coming from the south. When it hit the second tower, it exloded out towards us.
At that point it was very clear that we were under attack (no accident)
and everyone ran for it (up the West Side Highway). And yes we saw lots of people jumping.

(sorry for letting this flow a little.. it's a bit of therapy )

[savemefromdumbya]

15. Thanks!

Do you know anybody who actually saw the underneath or even saw the planes quite clearly?
It must have been horrific

[LARED]

16. I know people that actually saw the plane hit the south tower

They were in Bayonne on 22nd street, on a roof watching the North tower burn. Flight 175 flew overhead. They watched it fly into the WTC tower. They saw the plane quite clearly.

I have stated this many times in the past and do not expect you to believe me.

[savemefromdumbya]

17. What did they see?

A neighbor of mine was close and he said the planes didn't look like the ones they said they were.

[LARED]

22. Are you asking me if I quizzed them to see if they

thought something was odd?

No, I didn't.

[mirandapriestly]

19. People always say "thousands saw the planes"

one poster said "hundreds of thousands", but I don't think that is true at all. The way those buildings are, you would have to be in a very specific location to see the planes , because of how close all the buildings are and the angles, etc..I'm NOT saying there were no planes, but I guarantee you that thousands did not see them. We "think" thousands saw them because of the tv footage. Even from a distance the towers were not visible from everywhere, especially the faces that were hit. Most accounts that you read people did not see the actual planes, they just say they saw the fireball. Sometimes they say they heard a plane first. Haven't you noticed that there really aren't that many photos/ videos of the second hit with plane, and only one of the first. Again, I'm NOT saying there were no planes, I'm just sayin'...

[dailykoff]

20. It seems most eyewitnesses didn't actually see the planes.

Another reason is that the lowrises blocked views of the upper towers from most of the plaza and vicinity.

[seatnineb]

21. Agreed!

Considering that this NYPD helicopter pilot says that flight 175 passed 200 feet under his helicopter.........

I said this plane is coming right at our window ….it’s the closest I’ve ever seen a plane come close to my helicopter by accidentand Pat(co-pilot) began to climb and John and all the guys in the back…running back and forth watching looking for this aircraft …and all I remember seeing is the aircraft going underneath our aircraft …you could see him right through the (unintelligible)he could have been maybe 200 feet underneath us …and I just remember following him …and just turning my head and watching him…watching him pull up…and watching him disappearing right into the south tower

Timothy Hayes.
NYPD

Taken from the In Memoriam to NYC DVD documentary.

Considering they were filmin' and video-tapin'...... it looks like the NYPD are shit fuckin' scared to show us what hit(if anything) the south tower!


(THX NecessaryOnslaught for above photo)

[savemefromdumbya]

27. there must have been at least one Japanese tourist

who has an underneath shot of the plane. I used to be at PACE uni and was down there all the time but I suppose the first thought was to run for your life!

[philb]

28. What kind of markings do NORAD fighters have?

Are you sure whether these were F-16s or F-15s?

8:38 Battle Commander, Col Robert Marr at NEADS, calls Major General . . . Larry Arnold in Florida for permission to scramble jets.
8:46 NEADS orders jets from Otis AFB in Massachusetts scrambled to . . . . . New York
8:47 something hits the WTC1 North Tower
8:52 2 jets from Otis AFB are in the air heading towards New York

[Rich Hunt]

29. those F-16s were all over America's cities for days after....

We had them flying all over Chicago on September 11th. It was a very scary time, that's how we knew it was real.

[Freedom_Aflaim]

6. Lets imagine the most sinister poster

Assume that they were all evil and sinister in their intents.

What COULD they be doing? I suppose they could be dropping gasoline on the flames, but I believe that someone would notice.

There are hundreds of questions about 9/11, but respectively, I cannot think of anything sinister that they may be doing.

[Mind_your_head]

7. What's that supposed to mean?

I don't mean to offend, but just curious.....some people might think you sound like a pyromaniac or something b/c of your
'internet name' and talking about 'dropping gasoline on the flames'????

What's with that? :shrug:

(I won't get into some long 'thing' with you....b/c I've already stated I am avoiding 'disrupters', which I think you may be....but, giving you the "benefit of the doubt" for the moment, I hope you can explain better what you are attempting to say).

Peace

[Freedom_Aflaim]

8. oh gosh no

heh, I see the connection you are reffering to.

No, my screen name is totally unrelated to the content of that post. Just a weird coincidence.

Im not a pyromaniac, honest! :)

Anyway, what I meant is that assuming the original poster is on to something, what on earth could these helicopters be doing that would further the evil intent behind 9/11? I really cant think of anything, but I made up the crazy example of them dropping fuel onto the fire (essentially as an obvious straw man).

Clearly, my message was muddled. I really don't think there isnt anything sinister behind a bunch of news and police helicopters at the scene. If there was, I really don't know what it could be. 9/11 was obviously a sinister event - regardless if you buy the official story, or some sort of LIHOP or MIHOP...but Im sceptical of the "evil helicopters" angle.

I hope that clarifies a bit.

[Freedom_Aflaim]

18. ugh I just noticed something else

poster = postuer (as is in stance, not person)

No wonder that message was confusing

[mirandapriestly]

11. Here is some info -

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=911
This is a video taken by a guy, Rick Siegal from across the river, as it occurred. Just before each "collapse" you can see a helicopter taking off from the roof of the respective towers. Additionally, there are flashes coming out from the bottom of these helicopters prior to each "collapse". This was caught by more than one source. The photographer of the linked video says he did not see them until he saw it captured on video. This leads him to suspect it could be infrared. The forum on the site connected to the Eyewitness Video discusses this and they were going to do some investigating as to what it was, I haven't checked up on it. There is something called an infrared detonator, and certain demolitions are initiated from above. Since this demolition seems to have occurred from the top, section by section, I'd say it could be one of those. I mean, c,mon, helicopter over building flashes emanating from below,helicopter takes off, building rumbles and falls to the ground. TWICE. Coincidence? Siegal also saw the men flying the helicopters and describes them on the forum, you could probably figure out who they were from that.
There is another helicopter shot which shows that there were shock waves and another where one of the guys says "they did it, they brought the whole things down" or something like that. I think probably a lot of the aeriel video or photography was taken from helicopters.
Some helicopter pilot , maybe with the NYPD said they were looking up at the roof to see if there was a rescue path, but there were orders NOT to do this, so I think it is a lie to cover something more nefarious. (My opinion only) They were able to rescue from the roof in 1993, so why not this time?
Sorry those people were so rude to you. Rude AND ignorant. The moderators only allow that kind of rudeness here for some reason.

[mirandapriestly]

14. helicopter flash on roof

http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc2dem9/

[Old and In the Way]

31. I wondered about those flashes too.

Could they be strobe lights? Strobing lights would cut through the smoke, maybe taking pics? Or looking for survivors?

I don't know why no attempt was made to rescue people....I think in that video they mentioned 38 rescues in the 93 bombing. Maybe there were no people on the roof, but it's sad that no attempt was made to rescue some of the people who were desperately hanging out the windows.

[Mind_your_head]

23. All of those helicopters flying around the WTC on 9/11....

does anyone know who/what they were? Who owned the helicopters? Why were they there? What were they doing there? Did they take any video of the event? If not, why not? What was their purpose? Who were the pilots? Have the pilots been identified and interviewed?

I haven't seen ANY video footage from the helicopters flying around the WTC's on 9/11. That seems very odd.

[Peter Frank]

24. They sure weren't there to rescue victims... n't

[DoYouEverWonder]

25. NYC has a fair number of helicopters

most of the ones flying around in the AM are to report traffic conditions. Those are probably the ones people saw around the WTC that morning.

[petgoat]

26. 911eyewitness has quite a lot on the helicopters.

http://www.911eyewitness.com/

[janedoe]

32. All aircraft ordered to land!

It may be worth noting that all aircraft were ordered to land... then the order became to land immediately. I don't remember the exact time interval, but it's on Paul Thompson's timeline. What I found interesting is that the order for ALL aircraft to land immediately came about 15 minutes before WTC2 "fell" and the order was lifted 1 minute AFTER WTC1 "fell." Perhaps they didn't want witnesses? Or perhaps they didn't want something unexpected to happen?

The order to land ASAP came about 9:20 am.

The order for ALL aircraft to land immediately (came about 9:44 am) included military as well as civilian, with exception of "a few classified operations."

[mirandapriestly]

34. But there is footage of heliocopters right there

when each of the towers fell, you can see them on 9-11 Eyewitness and elsewhere, but that is sure interesting.

[Dancing_Dave]

30. The helicopters created a lot of distraction

Which made it difficult for people on the ground to see exactly what happened.

Obviously, whoever thought up this diabolical propaganda incident worked on every angle to cover themsevles!

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

33. Yes, I'm sure people were watching the helicopters...

...as opposed to SEVERAL 1000' TALL BUILDINGS CRASHING VIOLENTLY TO THE EARTH.

[quickesst]

35. If the planes...

hit the damn building, and before they collapse, then yes, I'm noticing all the choppers, and wondering what the hell they're doing. Rescue attempts, filming, etc. My attention would be diverted from watching both until the start of the collapse of the first tower. Then I'd be running for my life. So, why would it be odd if people notice the choppers before the collapse, which quite frankly, few, very few, thought the planes would cause the collapse. The fact that those videos and pictures exist will tell you that some were definately aware of them, and not fully focused on the towers. Logic. Thanks.
quickesst

[petgoat]

36. You can see the distraction the choppers made

in the video of the molten iron pouring out of WTC2. The camera panned to
the chopper, then panned away to get the metal.