Would 911 Have Happened Anyway?

[cenacle]

I keep wondering this lately...it had to have been planned before Bush became president...I know the Clinton admin warned about how much a danger Bin Laden was, and Rice ignored them, but what interests me is not the lack of response on the part of the Bush admin, but the intent of Bin Laden...could Gore have stopped it? Has Gore gone on record saying how he would have dealth with Bin Laden's threat had he taken office? Or what he would have done if 911 had happened?

I'm not convinced that 911 wasn't government engineered, but I am more interested, given the possibility that it wasn't, in what might have been if we had gotten in 2000 the president our votes said we wanted...

[greyl]

1. A good question we'll never know the answer to.

The bush admin had plans to go into Afghanistan months before 9/11, so it's plausible that the terrorist attack was a pre-emptive strike on the U.S.A with that specific reason as some final straw. It's also true that our pre-2000 politics in the Mid and Near East weren't, shall we say, the most diplomatic.

I can't think of solid reason to say that we wouldn't have been attacked if Gore was in office, but I'm confident the aftermath would have been treated in a better way.
But again, we'll never know for sure.

[Jazz2006]

2. Probably....

as it seems highly unlikely that the plans for Sept. 11/01 could have gone from genesis to fruition in the short time that Bush was in office.

But the response may well have been different had Gore been prez.

[mirandapriestly]

3. The way I look at it Kennedy rejected Northwoods in 1962

and got rid of Louis Lemnitzer, who had proposed it. Different players of the same group have been trying ever since to gain substantial power and finally, Georgie gave it to them. He gave them their "new Pearl Harbor". No way would Gore have done that.

[kerry_s]

6. I think the same

And I think that Gore would have ended as Kennedy...

He would have been mordered at 9/11 by "islamic terrorists"... :(

[rman]

4. I don't think so,

because then it could not have been managed/exploited in the way that it did, as effectively as it has been.

[petgoat]

5. Clinton ordered Osama killed, but the CIA farmed the

job out to local tribesmen who lacked enthusiasm for the job.

Sandy Berger wanted commando raids against the training camps, but the
Secy of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs opposed the idea.

Richard Clarke had a plan to attack al Qaeda militarily
and by cutting off their sources of financing. The Clintonistas say
they would have initiated attacks on al Qaeda if Gore had been elected,
but they didn't want to hand off to W a half-done war, so they held off.

Clarke presented his plan to Condi. She not only ignored it, she demoted
Clarke so he no longer had cabinet-level access.

Bush ordered the FBI to go easy on the Saudis, and to shut down ongoing
investigations of suspected terrorist financiers. The Predator drone
stayed on the ground while BITLER (Bush's Imperialist, Totalitarian, Lawless
Evil Regime) conducted a policy review. Le Figaro says the CIA agent Larry
Mitchell met with Osama in Dubai in 7/01 when Osama was supposedly the most
wanted man in the world. Also meeting with Osama was Prince Turki al Faisal,
who is now the Saudi ambassador to the USA.

Bush ignored warnings from 11 countries and 3 FBI offices. His wilful negligence
was essential to the success of the plot.

(So why didn't Kerry attack him for it? Instead Kerry painted himself as "Almost as
tough on terorism as the Republicans are!" Very strange....)



Here's a good resource on the issues:

http://www.time.com/time/nation/printout/0,8816,333835,00.html

[cenacle]

7. great replies, thank you!

i was just thinking that this 'new world' that supposedly emergered after 911 didn't just come out of nowhere...the bush/bin laden families connection, the fact that clinton was aware of bin laden and wanted to defeat him as a threat...

maybe what 911 was embedded in was the post-Cold War world that emerged in the '90s where the players and opponents seemed to shift a bit, but the game remained the same...

the real issue will be what will the Democrats do when in office, will they continue to fight the failed and essentially alleged 'war on terror,' or will they call this whole period a deadly hallucination and try to pick up where Clinton left off...

i don't see any choice in the matter personally...we need to rejoin the world family and spend whatever time it takes rebuilding our tattered relations...war has again proven itself a failed solver of problems...