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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 09:42 PM
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WTF? Director of White House Situation Room with bush in FL on 911?
A couple of things worth noting IMO about the below excerpt IMO

Bush was told by the "Director of the Whitehouse Situations Room" on 911 (who just happened to be traveling with him) that she believed the first plane crashing into the first tower was terror related (prior to bush entering the classroom after they arrived at Booker) She also claims that they watched "events unfold" on TV at Booker before he entered the classroom.)

A) Is it standard practice for the "Director of the Whitehouse Situations Room" to accompany a pResident on a deal like a nothing promotion of "no child left behind"???

B) What channel were these people watching to see "the situation unfold?"

Initially the incorrect reports were that a small plane had crashed into the North tower.

They could not have seen the footage of the first plane hitting because the only footage was in a French film-makers camera until hours later.

C]This clown was appointed and picked by Condoleeza Rice... and if you go to the link below and read the entire article you will see that she sounds like a religious nut of some kind (just like the rest of the bush admin IMO)

http://www.catholiccincinnati.org/tct/Archive/dec0701.htm

'Pray, never forget Sept. 11 and live your life,' she urges
By Nancy Stout

SPRINGFIELD DEANERY - United States Navy Captain Deborah Loewer, at home in Springfield for the Thanksgiving holiday, recently spoke to a gathering of 50 people at St. Joseph/St. Raphael Church in Springfield about the Sept. 11 attacks on America.

Loewer, a Springfield native who was raised in St. Joseph Parish, is currently the director of the White House Situation Room. She was the one who informed President George W. Bush of the Sept. 11 attacks.

The daughter of Hubert and Marilyn Loewer, longtime St. Joseph parishioners, Captain Loewer traveled to Florida with President Bush on Sept. 11 to visit a school. She received the message from her deputy in the White House Situation Room about the plane crashing into the first tower, and she described running from her car in the motorcade to the president's car to pass along the information.


Once they reached the school, they watched events unfold on television, along with others in America. A short time later, she recognized the attacks for what they were and reported, "Mr. President, I think it's terrorism."
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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 09:59 PM
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1. At first I thought
* took her to Florida to do the nasty, then I saw her picture

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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 10:16 PM
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5. I KNOW!
My GOD where do they find these people? :(
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 02:20 PM
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25. They find them
on the Lowered Expectations Dating Service
on MadTV.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 10:00 PM
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2. * needs to be put under oath
and answer a lot of questions including this one. Period.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 10:14 PM
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3. Apparently the 911 family steering committee
Wants to know as well!

On their web page (of course I have managed to misplace the link) one of the questions they want an answer to from Bush is what was she doing there and who was minding the situations room while she was hanging around with herr bush on a promo tour!

Additionally I had never heard of this woman until tonight everything I read previously said someone else informed him that a plane had hit the North tower- I think I read that Fleisher supposedly told him?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 10:18 PM
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6. No. Junior told two different groups visiting the White House that...
...he SAW the first plane impact the north tower. Andy Card came into the classroom to inform Junior about the second plane.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 10:25 PM
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9. Yes, that's on the tape from Booker T
Card told stupid when the 2nd plane hit but I could have sworn Fleisher supposedly told him about the first plane as they left the hotel (or whatever it was they were staying in)
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 11:14 PM
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19. link to 911 family statement
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shooga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 10:33 PM
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12. jebbie under oath too ...
Why was this executive order called on September 7, 2001 which was four days BEFORE the September 11 horror??

Government > Search > Executive Orders Search > #2001-261

EXECUTIVE ORDER NUMBER 01-261

WHEREAS, the Florida National Guard has the statutory responsibility to provide support to law-enforcement personnel and emergency-management personnel in the event of civil disturbances or natural disasters; and

WHEREAS, the Florida National Guard has the responsibility to provide training support to law-enforcement personnel and community-based organizations relating to counter drug operations; and

WHEREAS, the Florida National Guard must train to meet such responsibilities; and

WHEREAS, the Florida National Guard is funded for any such training by budgetary appropriation or grants before any such training; and

WHEREAS, the Florida National Guard must conduct such training in active service of the state, as defined by Section 250.27, Florida Statutes (also known as active military service and state active duty) for members of the Florida National Guard to be covered by Section 250.34, Florida Statutes; and

WHEREAS, as Governor, I may delegate the authority contained in Section 250.06(4), Florida Statutes, to order training to help respond to civil disturbances, natural disasters, and counter drug operations to The Adjutant General of the State of Florida; and

WHEREAS, it is in the best interest of the State of Florida that I delegate such authority, so that the Florida National Guard is adequately trained to meet its obligation to help respond to civil disturbances, natural disasters, and counter drug operations and so that members of the Florida National Guard performing such training are covered by Section 250.34, Florida Statutes; and

WHEREAS, the Governor may order the Florida National Guard to provide extraordinary support to law enforcement upon request and such a request has been received from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) to assist FDLE in performing port security training and inspections.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, JEB BUSH, as Governor of Florida, by virtue of the authority vested in me by Article IV, Section 1(a) of the Florida Constitution, and by Section 250.06(4), Florida Statutes, and all other applicable laws, do hereby promulgate the following Executive Order, to take immediate effect:

Section 1. Based upon the foregoing, I hereby find that the public welfare requires that the Florida National Guard train to support law-enforcement personnel and emergency-management personnel in the event of civil disturbances or natural disasters and to provide training support to law-enforcement personnel and community-based organizations relating to counter drug operations.

Section 2. I hereby delegate to The Adjutant General of the State of Florida all necessary authority, within approved budgetary appropriations or grants, to order members of the Florida National Guard into active service, as defined by Section 250.27, Florida Statutes, for the purpose of training to support law-enforcement personnel and emergency-management personnel in the event of civil disturbances or natural disasters and to provide training support to law-enforcement personnel and community-based organizations relating to counter drug operations.

Section 3. The Florida National Guard may order selected members on to state active duty for service to the State of Florida pursuant to Section 250.06(4), Florida Statutes, to assist FDLE in performing port security training and inspections. Based on the potential massive damage to life and property that may result from an act of terrorism at a Florida port, the necessity to protect life and property from such acts of terrorism, and inhibiting the smuggling of illegal DRUGS into the State of Florida, the use of the Florida National Guard to support FDLE in accomplishing port security training and inspections is "extraordinary support to law enforcement" as used in Section 250.06(4), Florida Statutes.

Section 4. The Adjutant General shall not place members of the Florida National Guard into active service for longer than necessary to accomplish the purposes declared herein.

Section 5. This Executive Order supersedes Executive Order Number 01-17. Executive Order Number 01-17 is hereby revoked.

Section 6. This Executive Order shall remain in full force and effect until the earlier of its revocation or June 30, 2003.

IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and have caused the Great Seal of the State of Florida to be affixed at Tallahassee, the Capitol, this 7th day of September 2001.

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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 10:16 PM
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4. There is a closed-circuit tv system in the limo...
...and if Junior is telling the truth, there was a camera focused on the WTC prior to the impact of the FIRST plane.

Do you remember the individual from FEMA that Dan Rather interviewed about three days after 911? Do you remember his response when Dan Rather asked him when his FEMA team had arrived on site? He told Rather that his team had arrived in NYC the night before and was on the ground the morning of 911.

Think about those two items for a moment and see if you arrive at the same conclusion I did. Definitely LIHOP, strong leaning toward MIHOP.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 10:22 PM
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8. I didn't see that interview
But another thing that I heard from someone that knows someone that works for FEMA (Yeah, one of THOSE deals although I trust my source since they are a close relative)

There were FEMA workers killed in conjunction with 911.

I have no details and have never been able to find anything on the net about it.

I guess my question is why no news about them being killed and how were they killed?

Were they there during the attacks? (if so why?)

Or were they killed during the recovery portion of the event?
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bhunt70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 10:28 PM
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11. I don't dispute what you are saying but a different perspective...
My mom works for FEMA and while I can't speak for anyone in this, I think that there is no real difference deploying a team the night before or the day of. Their setup is so fast that they would probably be up and running before the end of the day.

Link if possible, maybe my mom knows this guy.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 11:08 PM
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16. I have no idea what the FEMA employee's name was
What you are saying however makes sense.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 01:08 PM
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22. No real difference deploying a team the night before?
bhunt70 says:
Their setup is so fast that they would probably be up and running before the end of the day.

Can FEMA time-travel?
Is THAT how they got there so fast?
Or do they simply have Miss Cleo on their payroll?

How the heck did FEMA know
when no-one else managed to connect the dots?
And why the heck didn't they do anything to prevent it?
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 02:40 PM
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23. Good question!
I forgot that detail!
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shooga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 10:46 PM
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13. Ann Thrax ...
.... might need to include an addendum chapter to her book "Treason".


LIHOP - Impeach George W. Bush for TREASON
1.-) Why were the hijackers trained to fly in the U.S.? If they all came from Middle Eastern countries then why were they sent (or brought) to the U.S. to learn to fly?
After all, they didn't need to retain pilot licenses to take over an
airplane in mid flight. They merely needed combat experience and the training to maneuver a plane into a large target. That is easily done from any country that has flight training schools.
2.-) Given the absence of any DNA evidence, and the use of false passports by the hijackers, how was the government able to come up with the list of 19 names so quickly? Many ask why the hijackers names are not listed on the original passenger manifest and that one is the easiest to answer. Quite awhile back that out of consideration for the families of the victims on the flights, the hijackers names were omitted. Understandable if not quite
acceptable to the inquiring minds who want to know.
But we have heard the FBI say many times that they could not track all the men because they used multiple alias?s and had more than one falsified passport.
So we have to ask just how quickly they were able to list to the public names and faces of these 19 men (eight of which turned out to be wrong as they were either already dead or alive and well in various places). One phone call from Madeline Sweeny, the flight attendant on #11 tells us how she calmly gave the seat numbers of four of the hijackers yet the FBI turned up five names and also the
seat numbers she gave were different from those registered in the hijackers' alleged names. Ms Sweeny was a 12-year veteran of the airlines and was able to calmly give precise details about what was occurring on the flight, yet when she was asked about their location, she said, "I see water and buildings. Oh, my God! Oh, my God!" It seems to me after 12 years of flying she would have easily
said ?We are over Manhattan. I see the WTC Towers.? The phone call was turned over to the FBI and they have declined to discuss it ever since.
*** Also, how do we even begin to comprehend how the passport of Mohammed Atta flew out of his wallet on impact to land eight blocks away just waiting to be discovered and accurately identify him as the pilot and mastermind of the day's events?? ***
3.-) Did a Boeing really crash into the Pentagon or was it a truck packed with explosives like the first AP reports said? If so, what happened to American Airlines Flight 77 and why?
Now personally we find it hard to believe that eyewitness?s who seen the plane flying low and making expert turns to dive into the Pentagon are mistaken in what they'd seen, but why is the only video released by the Pentagon showing a fireball and no footage of the plane itself actually crashing into the west section of the Pentagon. Make believers of the non-believers by showing the exact footage. Interestingly, I came across a news article awhile back that has
stumped me when I read a particular comment:
John Bowman, a retired Marine lieutenant colonel and a contractor, was in his office in Corridor Two near the main entrance to the south parking lot.
"Everything was calm,' Bowman said. "Most people knew it was a bomb. Everyone evacuated smartly. We have a good sprinkling of military people who have been shot at." (emphasis added) This article can be found at www.dcmilitary.com dated September 14, 2001 and is entitled 'Where is Safe?' Terrorists strike Military Nerve Center? by Pentagram staff writer Dennis Ryan.
4.-) GW Bush "saw" the first plane hit the tower;
5.-) Pentagon officials cancelled travel plans on 9/10;
6.-) White House officials took Cipro "before" anthrax attacks on Democrats and
media;
7.-) FEMA groups were transferred to NYC on 9/10.
8.-) Jeb Bush called up the National Guard on September 8 2001. (EXECUTIVE ORDER NUMBER 01-261). All these point to prior knowledge by the Bush administration.
Why is no one reporting these facts? And no matter how we try in vain to have them answered, we have not succeeded. We believe
it our DUTY as Americans to ask questions when we have no clear and accurate answers. Especially when it pertains to our Government who we ?hire? when we elect them. As the ?employers? of the Government we should demand factual and acceptable answers when there is probable wrongdoing. Without accountability for their actions, they should be released immediately from duty. There is not one single question listed above that does not deserve an explanation. Matter of fact, they require explanations. When the Veil of Secrecy is lifted from the current administration we may be shocked at the face that lies beneath it. Let us hope it is not to late. **I would like to ask any of you with either answers or questions you might have to bring them forward.
Maybe if we work as a collective group, we can shed some light on the darkness of the why?s and how?s of what is now known as Black Tuesday. Thanks

What is on the belly of the Unite Airlines plane Flight 175 ??

http://www.fahrenheit911.info

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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 11:11 PM
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18. I still want to know who the hell JAMES A BAKER is at OIPR
That one has never been solved and I can't even find out who appointed the guy...
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shooga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 10:53 PM
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15. YES !!
and anyone watching CNN (anyone who taped it) that day saw the "switching glitch".


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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 10:21 PM
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7. Newly uncovered memos
Edited on Wed Feb-18-04 10:22 PM by teach1st
8/15/01
From: Dick C
To: Karl R
Subject: The action

The horses are ready and entering the gate. It's a go. One glitch, though. I'm really going to need the situation room to myself, without any interference. Can we do something with Loewer? She'd probably spill if she got a clue, and I don't want her getting in the way of any standing down I might have to do.

PS: You want a piece of that airline stock short sell? My Israel buddies are setting it up.

________________

8/17/01
From: Karl
To: Dick C
Subject: RE The action

No problem with Loewer. We'll send her on the Sarasota trip with Junior. My runner is coming by with some cash - I'm in there with the stocks. Big Daddy wants in, too.
________________

8/19/01
From: Dick C
To: Karl R
Subject: RE (2) The action

Roger. Won't Loewer be suspicious? I mean, what the hell does she have to do with a goddam photo-op with some snotty Florida kids? Is Junior asking many questions?

PS: The spooks tell me they've cooked the shit about Saddam enough that we'll be able to invade a few months after the action. They say the public's going to buy it, too. Damn, this is easy!

________________

8/20/01
From: Karl
To: Dick C
Subject: RE(3) The action

We tell Loewer that she's in line for a promotion to the inner circle and we want her to get used to cooking up a phot-op. She'll buy it. Junior ask questions? You're a riot! He thinks the Sarasota thing's for real. We'll let him into the coke down there - he might say some screwy things, but he won't try to pull some hero crap when we tell him about the attacks. Hell, he'll probably just sit there for a long time, trying to figure out what's going on.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 10:26 PM
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10. the whole thing just stinks to high heaven
and it's disgusting that the American people haven't demanded answers.

We should FORCE Bush and Cheney and the rest of PNAC to sit in chairs on live television and answer questions, and they can't go take a piss or anything until we get some answers.
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shooga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 10:50 PM
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14. this piece of sh*t ...
....




should fry in oil !!


and the rest of his buddies too:

Bill Krystol, Daniel Pipes, Don Rummy, Paul Wolf o' Wits, David Frum, David Brooks, (Fred Barnes ?), (Tom Friedman ?)
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 11:10 PM
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17. and Poppy was in the WH
I suppose that's why they sent the DIR of the Situation Room out overnight to Florida.

Poppy and Cheney both spent the night at the WH. Cheney was running a drill the morning of 9-11 from the Situation Room. A drill by the NSA that included the scenario of a plane crashing into a building near Dulles Airport.

It's true. And that's why she was sent away, no doubt.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 12:02 AM
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20. Something keeps haunting me...
Is it possible that there was a combination of LIHOP and a MIHOP, but the MIHOP was unilateral - an extra little surprise from the terrorist operatives? Specifically, could the Towers have been a LIHOP and the other two a MIHOP that those in the circle had not meant to be included in a LIHOP?

Don't ask me to support the thought...I'm not versed enough to make a case. It's just something I started thinking about and it won't go away.


While I ponder why it won't go away, I'm also wondering and-

Waiting to know all about the put options on the airlines and the investment companies who occupied many floors of the towers.

Waiting to have someone explain how the holes in the Pentagon were from a 757.

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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 03:52 AM
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21. well.....
....setting aside the MIHOP possibility, one could think that the LIHOP was stunningly bigger than they imagined it would be.

Scenario: they know something is coming. They LIHOP. But it's much bigger than they had expected.

I can fully support that thesis.
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 11:20 AM
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24. training
Does LIHOP include training them? ( But that´s more like MIHOP isn´t it? )

"Why were the hijackers trained to fly in the U.S.? If they all came from Middle Eastern countries then why were they sent (or brought) to the U.S. to learn to fly?" - Post 13 (this thread)

G. Holmgren : " Put yourself in the position of an AQ planner.(...) If the mythical hijackers needed to learn the basics of flying - using flight simulators and Cessnas- tools which would be available just about anywhere in the world - what kind of indescribably cretinous moron would decide: "We must do our basic training in Florida.(!) Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan Egypt or Saudi Arabia will never do! We will stand out too much! We musn't use one of our training camps. In Florida we will be inconspicous. Especially if we specifically ask to learn how to fly without learning to take off or land.Then we will never be detected by the intelligence services!" ??? Why not learn to fly before going to the US ? Why not walk around with a big sign, saying "Investigate and arrest me!" ? "
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