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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 11:13 AM
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First draft: Parapolitics, Conspiracies and Assassinations Group
A number of posters in recent weeks has suggested that DU start a different forum for non-9/11 "conspiracy theories" so that all that stuff does not get dumped here in the 9/11 forum. Just as questioning the official story of 9/11 is going mainstream, and when the DU 9/11 forum could be a resource for non-DUers to learn more about 9/11, it seems important to separate out 9/11 material from the other conspiracy theory material that gets dumped here. Well it's easier to start a group than to get a new forum created, I think. All we have to do is propose a mission statement and have it approved by a certain number of posters and the mods.

I suggest that we use this thread to develop a mission statement for that group. Feel free to copy and past the following draft and improve it in this thread. When we have a consensus that the mission statement is OK, we can post it in GD and try to get the appropriate number of supporters.

<begin draft>

Parapolitics, Conspiracies and Assassinations Group

Ever since John F. Kennedy was assassinated on the streets of Dallas, Americans of diverse political leanings have come to the conclusion that the political drama that plays out on the pages of our mainstream newspapers and mainstream television news programs, is not the entire political story, and perhaps not even the important political story. Many have concluded that beneath and behind the kabuki theater of Congressional voting, presidential speechmaking, diplomatic doubletalking, and military "cooperation," there are groups of wealthy and powerful people making agreements, implementing plans and founding institutions that affect the way we live, as much or more than our formal politics and economics. Some political scientists, alternative journalists and bloggers have called this deeper level of analysis by various names, such as "parapolitics," "deep politics" or even "high weirdness."

Although often dismissed as "conspiracy theories," a shocking number of times in recent American history, the darkest suspicions of the American public have proven to be true. For example, the Reagan administration was shown to have sold weapons to America's then arch-enemy, Iran, in order to secretly accumulate money that was used to pay for a war against Nicaragua that Congress had specifically forbidden the administration from carrying out.

During the Nixon administration, a burglary of the Democratic National headquarters in a Washington DC hotel, the Watergate, was shown to have been authorized at the highest levels of government, and covered up by the White House, and presumably the president himself, with the use of clandestine services such as the Central Intelligence Agency.

This group is dedicated to the idea that "theorizing" about "conspiracies" is not paranoid; it is prudent. Members are free to propose theories about the underlying operational behaviors of government and business, even if concrete evidence may be lacking. Appropriate topics include the role of drug cartels in politics and national security affairs; the role of the Central Intelligence Agency in recent history; the assassinations of John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy; the possibility of unconventional weaponry being developed by western military powers, including mind control and weather manipulation; and the existence of unconventional aircraft, whether of terrestial or non-terriestial origin, in the skies.

The only kinds of theories that will not be entertained in this Group are theories that are racist, anti-Semitic or offensive to broad sections of the DU membership. Moreover, alternative theories concerning the events of 9/11 should be confined to the 9/11 Forum.

<end draft>

OK, this is only a first draft, so have at it!



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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 01:55 PM
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1. i support this effort
that draft looks good.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 02:34 PM
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2. So...would chemtrails fit into this forum?
There is much to discuss and many questions and informationon this subject. If our skies & atmosphere are being tampered with, I'd say its rather important.JMHO


Just curious....regardless...I support this new forum.
DR
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 04:00 PM
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3. From my perspective, yes ...
Chemtrails would be part of the new group. Please edit the OP accordingly, because I am toooooo lazy.
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Rich Hunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 05:08 PM
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4. I think this is a great idea

Then the scope of this forum could be broadened to 9/11 topics in general.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 05:40 PM
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5. I think this is an excellent idea, HR.
I think I would add that skepticism about the theories that are discussed in the new group be limited to presenting alternative theories only. The "skepticism" of alternative theories here in the 9/11 forum can be downright nasty (and very unsubstantive) at times, and I would like to see this avoided in the new group if possible.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 11:42 AM
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6. We need a lot more support than this to get the Group approved nt
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 11:56 AM
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7. It is an absolutely PERFECT idea, that would solve several problems
Edited on Thu Apr-27-06 12:02 PM by mirandapriestly
first of all, obviously, there are a lot of DUers who are interested in various non 911 conspiracies & theories because their posts are always being dumped here. Second of all, it removes the label of wacko random conspiracy from the 911 conversation.

Frequently I wish there was a place to discuss people who have been "disappeared" or what REALLY happened to so and so..but of course there are only articles in "conspiracy" sites. It's funny, we all know that the corporate media lies and withholds important stories, yet we only consider "mainstream" stories to be "legitimate" it's kind of a farce, like if you were in the former Soviet Union and only believed what was in Tass, you wouldn't get to the "truth" too often.


(I wish there was a way of allowing 911 posters to post in peace without being called names by people with 3 posts, but that is another thread.)
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 12:14 PM
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8. Good idea HR.
Thumbs up.
I would just say that the phrase "even if concrete evidence may be lacking"
should probably be tempered with a bit more clarification regarding appropriate sources.
:thumbsup:
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 03:42 PM
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9. I support the idea too, HamdenRice
Good draft. :)

Sid
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 03:52 PM
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10. We need 10 "star" posters to submit to mods
Here's what I suggest are the next steps. I will revise the proposal in the next few days. I think I will post the final proposal in GD for approval so we have the maximum number of potential voters.

But at that point, I will notify all the 9/11 forum supporters so you all can go to GD and vote on it in support. So far, however, we only have 7 supporters in this thread so we need more support here for the idea before we move forward. Please pm some of your friends here in the 9/11 forum and ask them to support this effort in this thread so we can move forward.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 05:59 PM
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11. You got it, HR
I'll try to drum up interest.

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jschurchin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 09:30 PM
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12. Add me to your list HamdenRice.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:32 PM
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13. Deep Politics
In the meantime, everyone who cares about 'deep politics' is invited to contribute to and defend this Wikipedia entry;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_politics

Try to focus on 'deep politics' and not 'para' so much.

(by defend, I mean go into "edit", save the source copy as a Word file and replace the file as necessary, yes we have enemies)
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democraticinsurgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:22 PM
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14. K&R
great idea!
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