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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 07:37 PM
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Can I ask a stupid question?
I can't see a god damned thing.

And what the hell did it have to do with the Moussaoui trial??

We watched the planes fly into the world trade center, live and in color.

Do you think it might be a ploy to once again fly the fear flag?

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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 07:38 PM
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1. Release of video is clearly meant to remind us...
Edited on Tue May-16-06 07:39 PM by Kutjara
...what we're all fighting for. Unfortunately, what we seem to be fighting for is revenge for an attack by what looks like a very blurry hotdog van, bouncing its way toward the Pentagon's E-ring.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 07:39 PM
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2. I can't see anything either....
And yes, I think it is.
Duckie
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 07:39 PM
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3. distraction
forget spying, forget liberties taken away, forget true sacrifices, BOO! distraction. Don't think it will work.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 07:40 PM
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4. Lawyers are really strange people sometimes.
They insist on some things being secured for possible use at a trial, and I doubt even THEY know what they might do with them. I'm a good conspiracy theorist along with the rest of you, but in this case, that story is probably true.

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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 07:41 PM
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5. Evidently, you can't.
You may have tried to ask a stupid question but you failed. It's a good question. :)
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 07:41 PM
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6. A weird attempt to divide Democrats?
The video shows nothing at all. Some will say that means nothing, others will say the opposite.

9-11 theories are one thing -- vote fraud being another -- that Dems REALLY disagree about.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 07:41 PM
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7. the talking point was what mattered. all cables denounced the conspiracy
theories. over and over. that was the point=
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 07:42 PM
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8. Judicial Watch is a conservative advocacy group-there was a purpose
to get this video and the media played along.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 07:55 PM
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13. see post below nt
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 07:43 PM
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9. Moussaoui trial was a kangaroo court, that bullshit movie
fits right into the general theme.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 07:45 PM
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10. Without viewing this footage,
the jury in the Moussaoui trial would not have been convinced that 9/11 was a bad day.

That's the best I can come up with.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 07:48 PM
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11. Good one, that must be it. What a bunch of weiners the american people
are.
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Rufus T. Firefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 08:04 PM
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19. No, he was ON that plane.
And survived. THAT'S how evil he is.

That's the only reason I can see for it being allowed to be shown in court. Not to inflame the jury and help them forget that there was scant evidence to tie him to 9/11.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 07:54 PM
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12. about the Moussaoui trial
obviously non-public exhibits on the Pentagon event were shown at the trial

on this French AFP report it is stated that :

"Lors du procès Moussaoui, les procureurs avaient montré le carnage provoqué par l'avion au Pentagone: des photos de cadavres brûlés et de restes humains carbonisés, ainsi que des images de l'explosion entraînée par la chute de l'avion sur le bâtiment."

("During the Moussaoui trial, the prosecutors had shown the carnage provoked by the Pentagon plane, pictures of burned corpses and of carbonised human remains and also images of the explosion caused by the fall of the plane on the building")

the article states in several places that the request from Judicial Watch was aimed at debunking conspiracy theories and that the MOD didn't release those pictures before because of their importance as an exhibit in a trial to come.

http://fr.news.yahoo.com/16052006/202/11-septembre-diffusion-des-videos-de-l-avion-s-ecrasant.html
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 08:00 PM
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17. You can view those if you're so inclined
they are out there
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 08:11 PM
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22. I don't mean the "crash videos"
(BTW I just state what the article says in relation to Moussaoui, whitout taking sides for one or another explanation), but I never heard that the pictures of the burned bodies were "public". I can understand that they aren't by respect to the victims.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 08:12 PM
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23. i know; look here
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 07:56 PM
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14. This crappy video has been out for years
what was the point of rehashing it again? A mere distraction? Creating their own reality again so we will study it judiciously? Karl's last gasp?
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 07:58 PM
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16. I thought I saw it too before on some conspiracy site.
Not that I don't like conspiracy site, i do.

I just don't know what else to call it.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 08:02 PM
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18. CNN? Yeah, I agree it's a crappy conspiracy site
Check their archives for March 8, 2002
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 08:06 PM
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20. can you give me a link?? I can never figure out how to get their archives
Somebody posted on here a few weeks ago a video. I don't remember the name of it, but it asked questions while showing this footage and other stuff about the pentagon plane.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 08:09 PM
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21. These are stills from the videos released today
I thought that's what you were refering to, no?

http://edition.cnn.com/2002/US/03/07/gen.pentagon.pictures/
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 08:27 PM
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25. No, I wasn't referring to CNN, there was a video posted here a while
ago that showed these pictures with a narrative to some music asking how can this be a plane?

I looked through my posts, but I guess I didn't reply in the thread.

I'm sure someone has it tho.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 08:31 PM
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26. probably "Loose Change"
can find it at Google videos
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 08:35 PM
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27. nope, different one. but I will watch that one tomorrow. thanks!
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Rufus T. Firefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 07:56 PM
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15. Moussaoui trial? Nothing to do with it.
The newest NSA revelations? Everything to do with it.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 08:21 PM
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24. Well... Posted Earlier... But I Still Want To Know Why That Journalist On
CNN had to EXPLAIN what he meant when he talked about the Plane Hitting No Where Near The Pentagon years ago, but TODAY he says he meant It Didn't Hit Near The Pentagon!

I still don't understand WHY he felt a need to EXPLAIN this TODAY!! Why Now?? Kind of took a long time to realize you didn't say what you meant, or didn't mean what you said!
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rooney Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 09:36 PM
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28. Jamie McIntyre of CNN was explaining how this
new video would put to rest all of the old conspiracy theories. He said that he was in the pentagon when the plane hit it. He worked his way over to the crash site and he said he saw the tail section of the plane and the jets, etc. Do doubt at all that it was the American Flight.
On September 2001, Jamie McIntyre was reporting the crash from the pentagon for CNN and he took the pictures and made statements that there were no American Airplane traces at the crash. Wonder what made him change his mind? Wonder which was it really was?
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