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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:01 PM
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Bush is weak on national security.
Seriously, has anyone ever seen the guy give a coherent answer about why we are invading Iraq, for example? It's all mumbling, lies, and vague platitudes about "freedom" and "terrar".

What kind of president rushes to war, without adequate support, and no coherent plan of how to stabilize the country post-war? Only one who is weak on national security.

What kind of president does so against a country he accuses of harboring the most dangerous weapons in the world, without any idea of where they are or how to secure them, while using a force too small to even defend old nuclear waste sites from looting which we've known about for years? Only one who is weak on national security.

What kind of president cuts funding for homeland security, among other things, so he can help fund this stupid ill-conceived war? Only one who is weak on national security.

What kind of president pulls resources from the hunt on terrorist groups which actually committed numerous terrorist acts against us, to fight an evil dictator who's only a threat to his own people? Only one who is weak on national security.

What kind of president sends hundreds of thousands of troops to occupy a middle eastern country with loose border, without training them on how to handle post-war security, to become targets for anybody who hates America and knows how to use a gun or make a crude bomb, and lacks the diplomatic skills to get other countries to help out? Only one who is weak on national security.

Ask Bush to explain any of this, and you get a mumbling, lies, and vague answer about "media filters" and "we're creating freedom".

Bush is weak on national security. And the only way you're going to convince the public of that is to raise these points, among others, over and over and over again until it starts to sink in.

That's why I like Howard Dean. He's not afraid of the polls because he knows the only way to change them is to take the lead to convince people otherwise. Dean is a leader on this issue.

That's why I get pissed off with other dems who claim they are strong on national security, but basically tout the Bush admin line that we are fighting the war on terror in Iraq, and we are so much safer, etc. They falsely claim we are safer thanks to Bush. What the hell kind of message is that? Or they say, "I agree with this war, but would have done it better!" What kind of position is that? These aren't leaders; they're nagging back seat drivers. They're conceding that Bush is making us safer, while he does the opposite. If they truly believe that, then they are idiots.

Here is what the democratic mantra should be: "Bush is weak on national security. Bush is weak on national security. Bush is weak on national security." Repeat until it sinks in. Stop giving Bush an inch of credibility on this issue. He has none.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:02 PM
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1. So true
After all 9/11 happened on whose watch, The pretzel king's.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:04 PM
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2. And didn't he basically ignore the Clinton admin's advice...
To take terrorism seriously?

Instead he was proposing billions of dollars go to a missle defense sheild or some such nonsense.

Bush is a joke.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:13 PM
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6. I know
All Clinton's fault. Great thread, turn it around on Bush. 9/11 happened on his watch not "presidential candiate name here". That stupid bastard.
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:19 PM
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10. A 4-letter word argues the STUPIDITY of No National Security Experience
Edited on Sat Dec-20-03 02:20 PM by Raya
There is a four letter word that clearly expresses the
horror of a U.S. President without national security experience in
a post-9/11 environment. It sends chills down my spine.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS???
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 03:42 PM
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16. BUSH? PNAC? I guess they go together

The way Bush admin became so captive to bizzare and abhorent views
of U.S. Foreign Policy interests is really proof that we don't want
another president without military and foreign policy strength.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:08 PM
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3. A thread trashing Chimp?!?!
:wtf:
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:11 PM
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5. Bush can't believe it either...
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:19 PM
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11. Nope.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:09 PM
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4. Amen and thank you
It's been a while since we've seen a post that focuses on the real target. You are very stute in your observations.
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AmandaRuth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:16 PM
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7. bush
let, repeat LET 911 happen. The war in Iraq has done nothing, repat NOTHING, to make us safer.

How much more worse could one pres get than that re national security? The answer is none worse, even Spinal
Tap could figure that one out. If anything, the first job of a pres is to keep and make us safe. Total and complete failure.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:16 PM
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8. Is there anything Bush is not weak on?
I do agree with your comments on Dean. Everybody says that he has no foreign policy experience, but niether did any of our presidents from Carter forward (except Bush I) because he was vice-president. Other than 1988, we have always elected governors or former governors. Furthermore, Dean has appearently taken courses at Yale dealing with that. I would put Dean's foreign policy and national security policies over Bush any day. We need to expose this weakness to the public.
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TexasPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:42 PM
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15. sure - there's lots
faith
money raising ability
increasing the size of government
making big policy commitments that look positive on the surface but then underfunding them so in point of fact they are terrible
...

its a big list...
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:18 PM
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9. WTF?
Where do you get off posting how weak shrub is on national security?

HAVENT YOU GOTTEN THE MEMOS?

We must Fear bush! He is keeping this country safer!

But seriously I am amazed every time I see posts of how strong bush is and how hard it will be to beat him. The guy is so wrong in so many ways that anyone willing to point them out should be able to take him out easily.

Dean has shown time and again his willingness to fight the propaganda on bush with the actual bush positions and call him out as the hipocrytical failure that he is.

The key to this election is educating the population on the truth of this pResident. Dean has showed time and again he is willing to do it and damn what the polls say. Up till now it has been only Dean and Kucinich really with the willingness to do so. Wesleys recent comments on the capture of Sadam lead me to believe he might be willing to do the same but as of yet I am still not convinced.

Dean 04 taking bush to task for all of his miserable failures not just the ones that poll well.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:35 PM
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13. Yep.
I can't believe how many people are convinced Bush is strong on national security. It would be helpful if some of our own candidates didn't believe it either. Republicans have no defense on this, they just resort to lame tactics like saying "It's all politics" or some such nonsense. Don't they realize how awful Bush comes off when he's on the defensive? It just blows my mind. Bush is all bark and no bite.
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jbfam4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:31 PM
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12. You need to put this in your local paper.
you are right on target. Bush is weak .
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DFLforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:39 PM
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14. The only candidate who sees it
is the one without 'foreign policy' experience... working in the palace seems to prevent your seeing that the emperor wears no clothes.
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DFLforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 04:59 PM
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17. A kick: for other strong "National Security" candidates supporters in the
Edited on Sat Dec-20-03 05:00 PM by DFLforever
:kick:

2004 election...
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AnnabelLee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 05:54 PM
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18. Kick
for a great post.:kick:
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 02:46 PM
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19. Kick for Lieberman
And Gephardt... and Kerry... and Edwards....

And that shadow "progressive" group who thinks Bush is really strong on national security.

Bush is making our country weaker and endangering us. Stop agreeing with him.
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