Reality check --- * has more minorities in his cabinet than Dean

[MIMStigator]

Can't you see it if Dean tried to talk about anything to do with race in the debate against *

[Jim Sagle]

1. No prob.

[hellhathnofury]

2. Kool Aid.

[slinkerwink]

3. Colin Powell and Condi Rice aren't liked by African-Americans

[Gulf Coast J]

29. What about Rod Paige or Mel Martinez?

Are they not liked either? I'm not a huge fan of Paige, but I don't know that much about Martinez.

[wndycty]

33. Actually Powell still has a significant amount of support still besides...

...Powell, Rice and Paige are not used to win the Black vote as much as they are used to reassure whites that Bush is not racist. That strategy has been talked about for sometime, while many Blacks might be skeptical of Powell, Rice and Paige, many whites see their appointments as an indication that Bush is progressive on race.

[indigo32]

4. How many threads on this topic do we need?

Just Curious

[Brian_Expat]

5. Desperation!

The Clark people are having a field day with this one, despite the fact that Clark's history on diversity in the corporate community is no better than Dean's (actually, worse!)

[Renew Deal]

9. You are wrong again

I wonder why it is so often. Anyway, Clark filed a brief with the supreme court defending and promoting Affirmative Action.

http://www.umich.edu/~urel/admissions/legal/gru_amicus-ussc/um/MilitaryL-both.pdf

He also says this:

"Affirmative action. Throughout my career, I have seen the meaning, consequence, and importance of affirmative action firsthand. I was proud to join a group of retired military officers who filed a brief with the U.S. Supreme Court in support of affirmative action at the University of Michigan. I think such policies are necessary to facilitate diversity within, and thus the legitimacy of, the nation's leadership. And the Supreme Court agreed on the importance of diversity, relying on the successes of the military model. America cannot be a great nation without the leadership of our very best - of all races, from all parts of the country. Affirmative action ensures that future leaders who might otherwise never get a chance are brought to the forefront. As a result, Americans - all Americans - benefit."

http://www.clark04.com/issues/africanamericans/

Now your boy Howard wants to do AA by class, not by race. That is not AA. Why does Dean consistently come down on the wrong side of race issues?

[mbali]

13. Edwards filed a brief in this case, as well.

Not taking anything away from your guy. The more the merrier!

[retyred]

35. Howard wants to do AA by class, not by race?

I'd really like a link if you could on this.

I have not heard this and was just wondering how you have AA on class alone? And just what does he call this?


retyred in fla
“Good-Night Paul, Wherever You Are”
So I read this book

[jsw_81]

6. Reality check

Dean comes from a small state that's around 98 percent white. It's not like he had a large talent pool to choose from. To his credit, he did have an African-American on his small staff.

Bush, on the other hand, can choose from over 290 million people in fifty states.

But does this really mean that Bush cares more about diversity than Dean does? Absolutely not. Bush only puts minorities in his cabinet so he can appear to support diversity and tolerance; Democrats like Dean actually do support diversity and tolerance, and I can assure you that the minorities in President Dean's cabinet will be more than than the "smile for the cameras and keep your mouth shut" props we've seen from Bush.

[_Jumper_]

7. If Dean supported diversity and tolerance

Why didn't he go the extra the mile to practice diversity? Even Shrub did that!

[dsc]

8. Nio he didn't

Powell and Rice, his sole high level black appointees worked for his dad. Every Hispanic he appointed was from Texas or Florida and had gotten elected or appointed to an office in those states. That isn't going the extra mile.

[mbali]

12. One, Howard? You couldn't find ONE?

Just one person of color out of the thousands and thousands in the state.

Not one?

You didn't once look around the room and think, "Damn, there are nothing but white people in here."

And then, maybe, turn to your Chief of Staff and say, "Why don't we have ANY black or brown people in here? I could really use some different perspectives. Have we made any effort to get anyone one board? No? Well, let's do something about that. Why don't you contact the Vermont Democratic Party and the Universities and some of the bigger cities and put out the word that I want resumes and recommendations for the best and the brightest African American movers and shakers in the state. And if we can't find anybody in the state (although I'm sure we will), let's put the word out in the region. We should be able to find SOMEBODY to bring a little diversity into this group."

"Dammit! Make this happen!"

It's amazing what can happen when the top guy lets everyone on his team know this is a priority for him. If Dean had made them do it, they would have found someone lickety split, I guarantee you.

[slinkerwink]

20. Howard did have an African-American person on his senior staff

[ahimsa]

19. Just why are NH & VT 98% white?

Just wondering.. Is there some reason minorities don't want to live in those states? I'm in California which is 41% minority so it must be more attractive to minorities. What is unattractive about NH & VT?

Statistics can be found here: http://factfinder.census.gov/home/saff/main.html?_lang=en

:shrug:

Edited to add link to census site.

[jsw_81]

22. Probably because it's overwhelmingly rural

Vermont's largest "city" has around 40,000 people.

[ahimsa]

24. That was my first thought

But why are minorities not attracted to rural areas? Do rural states not try to attract minorities?

[depakid]

10. Flame bait, as usual n/t

!

[WillyT]

17. Well, Certain Flamers Tend To Come Out At Night...

when most of the mods take a well deserved break. Not surprising.

But if one were to list the right wing minority appointments, Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice, et. al. and try to use THEM as an example of affirmative progress in a political argument against a fellow Dem in order to garner desperate support for a candidate who's "slipping" in the polls...

Well, that would just look mighty desperate, don't ya think???

:puke:

[mzmolly]

11. I do believe Washington is more diverse than Vermont. And, last time I

checked Asian americans were still minorities.

Additionally, Bush has more then 6 cabinet members.

[mbali]

15. Yes - he has 15 cabinet members . . .5 of whom are minorities

Damn shame when Bush kicks your butt on commitment to diversity.

[jsw_81]

25. Bush does NOT "kick our butt" on diversity

Democrats have elected far more female governors and representatives than the Republicans, several dozen black, Asian, and Hispanic Cabinet secretaries and representatives, the ONLY black female U.S. senator (Moseley Braun), the ONLY Asian governor outside of Hawaii (Locke), as well as several dozen openly gay state legislators and congressional representatives, including the first ever lesbian (Baldwin).

So don't give me this nonsense about Bush "kicking our butt" on diversity. When it comes to diversity, the Democratic Party can't be beat.

[beaconess]

32. I didn't say OUR, I said YOUR - as in Howard Dean

Dean can't take credit for Locke or Baldwin or CMB. When left to his own devices, he chose a lily white cabinet.

I'll say it again. Bush kicks Dean's butt on diversity. Not a happy thought, is it?

[ClintonTyree]

30. Sounds like..............

you're ready to support Bush in the coming election. He's a fine man :eyes: I don't blame you.

[pasadenaboy]

14. does that mean you are going to vote for *?

[funkyflathead]

16. Thats so true

Man that's gonna be funny.

[7th_Sephiroth]

18. why does the color of peoples skin matter?

i have seen people and buisnesses sued for not hireing/giving generous promotions to african americans, or whatever term is "PC"

one experience, this being a personal experience and does not reflect on the majority of what happens, but i was workingin an IT department of a well-off buisness, it was me and an african american co worker, i had been working there for 1 year with my MCSE and Network+ certifications, while my co worked had been there for 6 weeks with just a Network+ certification. when our boss (with the title "head of I.T. department, with an office and and incredible boost in pay from what i currently had, he basically had all the Duties of a network admin plus budget allocation and was in charge of hireing I.T. workers) Quit, i was told that the position was garaunteed mine because i had the seniority and the higher education. Nope My co worker went to the NAACP, got a lawyer, racial discrimination suit. The company backed down and hired him. When i protested, he fired me.
I thought about sueing, but i'd have been labeled a racistand whatnot so i just said to hell with it, i got a call a week later That he was fired for lieing on his resume, he diddent have a Network+ certification, and alot of the work he did ended up being shoddy, it ended up setting a computer on fire, and the man he hired to replace me (his brother) was worse. I said screw it, the company let me down, but i told them how to fix everything after negotiating out my fees as a consultant. THe moral of the story is that race doesent matter, you hire people because thier level of compitence.

[jsw_81]

26. Absolutely

Employees should be chosen based on their qualifications and experience, not skin color. Say your wife needs emergency surgery (heaven forbid). Do you want the best qualified surgeon with the most experience OR do you want a less-qualified, less-experienced surgeon who got the job because the hospital wanted to appear more "diverse." Or say you're going on a cross-Atlantic flight. Do you want the best pilot regardless of skin color, or a less-qualified pilot who was hired so the airline could meet a silly quota. Think about it.

There's nothing wrong with diversity, and we should definitely encourage racial and sexual minorities to become well-educated professionals and government officials, but quotas are bad news for everyone.

[cap]

28. yes, but what has happened to all those highly qualified

minorities who were passed over in favor of a less qualified white candidate?

Why are so many Blacks with masters degrees in IT working in the customer service department instead of network/development jobs?

[jsw_81]

31. Well that's just plain old racism

And frankly I have no idea how we're going to change that, especially when some people are literally brainwashed into believing that blacks or Hispanics (or Jews, gays etc.) are inferior or stupid.

[bitchkitty]

21. I like Mounds better than Almond Joy because

Peter Paul uses cheap almonds. What do you think?

[Printer70]

23. Clark has never appointed a minority to his cabinet...

...oh that's right, because he has no political experience. That makes it easy to stand on the sidelines on lob grenades at everyone else.

[Renew Deal]

34. But has has stood up for minorities.

Check post 9

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=103657&mesg_id=103758&page=

[sleipnir]

27. HA!!! Just HA!!

I'm also a Clark supporter, but this is just silly.


* is using race for political gain and note that those whom he has appointed agree with his global domination stragety. So, the idea of race is out of the question and Bush has proven that even a "minority" can be evil.

[Walt Starr]

36. I love the smell of desperation in the morning

...<sniff>...

Smells like, a Dean VICTORY!

[Skinner]

37. This is just flame bait.

I'm locking.

Skinner
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