Chris Matthews Just Witnessed For Clark's Position On Iraq/Al Qaeda!

[KittyWampus]

Just now on Hardball... he poined out that the NYTimes article today was misleading and that Clark has been consistent!

He also had brief footage of Clark from today confirming this.

I think Chris sees Clark winning and wants to hitch his wagon.

Note: I don't hate Matthews or Russert the way many do here. Just wish they'd go after the GOP the way they do Dems.

[jmaier]

1. Will

wonders never cease. :-)

[madmax]

2. Can't believe it

My jaw dropped when I heard him.

[wyldwolf]

3. Saw it! He said...

THAT'S not a contradiction!

(I like Matthews MUCH more than Russert.)

[Kahuna]

4. Chris has kind of changed his tune a little bit... He's not quite..

as frothing at the mouth with the Clinton-Clark conspiracy...

[Jack_Dawson]

5. Matthews knows which guests bring high ratings

[BootinUp]

6. I saw that. Chris has always liked the General

Last summer, he told Clark he hoped the General would be around to debate Iraq.

[edzontar]

13. I guess Chris must be "OK" with you guys now, huh?

Welcome to the "New" DU-where Media Whore of the Year Chris Tweety Matthews is an "Ok-Guy."

thanks for making this a great place to visit, friends.

[KittyWampus]

15. I Stated Here And Before I Don't Hate Matthews Or Russert

just wish they didn't hold fire with Republicans.

But whatever... Chris told the truth at LEAST this once.

And by the way, Chris also held Clark's feet to the fire on the "got fired/retired early" issue.

[bitchkitty]

62. Huh.

So, I suppose that Matt Drudge is a sweetheart too? When are you guys going to start posting links from Lucianne.com?

[BootinUp]

17. So only if someone agrees with you all the time

are they worthy of your praise?

If Matthews acts like a whore, call him on it. I will and have done the same.

Politics is dealing with people who agree with you some of the time and don't most of the time.

You are rightly upset at the direction of the country, lets work together once a nominee is chosen to change it.

cheers

[edzontar]

19. If you like Matthews, we are on different sides...

He is a long-standing enemy of all that is good and true.

The ultimate cynical, soulless, evil media whore.

He is not the sort of ally you should seek on this or any other issue.

[BootinUp]

22. politics my friend, take it in stride, and redouble your efforts.

But the angry thing only goes so far, many Americans are turned off by it, we have to play it smart.

[edzontar]

24. Tweety is a very bad guy....

Or haven't you noticed?

[Bread and Circus]

92. Man, you are self-righteous....and that's a recipe for disaster...

I suggest you read Animal Farm.

[neverforget]

26. Then don't read the threads!

[edzontar]

30. I shall read what I like...and call it what it is...

And you, at least, shall not deter me...

[mmonk]

68. Actually, Chris seemingly was for Clark before he ran

then against him after he announced and now is climbing back on slowly. Don't know what to make of him sometimes.

[Tatiana]

7. Any regular viewer of CNN would know Clark's position on Iraq/Al Qaeda.

Clark received numerous calls from the Bushistas trying to shut him up when he was commenting on the fallacy of this war.

All anyone has to do is read his testimony before the Armed Services Committee in Sept. of 2002 and they would know what his position was.

[edzontar]

8. I DO hate them, as we all should....

And I would say that Matthews' "testimony" for Clark on the Iraq question is worth less than almost anything in the universe I can think of (I am trying to be "civil" here).

Here's a slogan for you:

Vote Clark!

He's been validated by the worst anti-Democratic media whore in the entire universe!!!

Tweety Matthews!!!

[KittyWampus]

16. Well, Chris Used Facts To Back Up His Points

so his "testimony" wasn't so much a matter of personal opinion as debunking a lie perpetuated by the NYTimes.

Feel free to speculate WHY.

[edzontar]

23. Tweety is a mortal enemy of our party...he was a relentless

Clinton attacker, an obnoxious Hillary-smearer, a true monster of limbaugh-esque proportions.

His MO is not so much ideological as Rush's is, but is bottomlessly cynical and smarmy.

He is the face, and voice, of smug, value-less, corporate evil.

If you want to embrace him, that's fine, but you ahve been warned.

[KittyWampus]

25. Well, My "Hatred" Is Reserved For The Whores On CNN

so maybe you can cover MSNBC etc for me...

I can only revile so many people at once... it makes for a bitter heart.

[edzontar]

28. Are you new to politics?

The Tweety business has a VERY long history-going back a decade by now, of rampant and shrill opposition to the DP, to Clinton, and rapt embrace of the worst Clinton-haters and reactionaries on the planet.

He is unforgivable.

[KittyWampus]

34. I'm Well Aware Of The Mediawhores and Their History

my personal vendetta is Dowd and her insipid slanderous crap about Hillary's "Registry".

After that comes the entire crew at CNN because they are still percieved as "liberal".

But the mediawhores are the conduit for our Candidates to get on the airwaves.

Hate them... but the Democrats must learn how to use them AS BEST THEY CAN.

[edzontar]

39. I agree with you on CNN and Dowd..but Tweety is among the worst

And you flirt with creeps like him at your own risk...

And I would say that calling him the "Tweetster" and saying he "gets it" are another kettle of fish entirely....

[The Magistrate]

61. He Is Indeed, My Friend

Even if the wretch should do something right on occassion nowadays, it avails nothing against his collaberation in the attempted coup against President Clinton. That can never be forgotten, and for it, there can be no forgiveness....

[edzontar]

70. Right--that is my point...and nothing against Clark himself...

But I am baffled, and disturbed, by the accepting attitude of his self-identified supporters.

[The Magistrate]

73. Well, My Friend

If you are in a fight, and someone unexpectedly shows up on your side, bat in hand, the natural tendency is to say "Howdy, pal!"

As you know, it does not bother me much to support mixed things, or accept help from mixed characters, but there is no need to change one's view of the mixture. A bad man is helping: that is good....

[edzontar]

74. I would make an exception in Tweety's case...he means no good...

He is a cynical manipulator of the worst sort, and profoundly disloyal to boot, as he has proved time and again..

If the Clark folks want his support, they can have it..it only taints Clark in mmy eyes...

[The Magistrate]

78. Part Of The Art, Sir

Is to use them when worthwhile, and drop them the instant they serve no good purpose.

You may be sure the wretch has not improved in my eyes, and cannot, no matter what service he performs.

To cite a parallel example, even that wretch Hitchen's expose of Kissenger avails him naught, set against his enthusiastic support of the '98 Coup.

[edzontar]

81. Hitchens is an especially despicable case...

I can't discuss him without using language I would regret.

But they way things are going here lately, I am sure he'll be a big hero again soon.

[xrepub]

88. The point here

is not that Tweety has suddenly become a great guy - he hasn't. If you were to praise Clark on some point it would have considerable credibility with me (similarly for Tweety). I am a Clark supporter. When I say that I feel indebted to Dean because he spoke out early against bush, you can assume that I'm not going out of my way to push him.

[Judi Lynn]

93. I will never forgive the way he treated Dennis Kucinich

It was the closest I've ever come to crying from rage and shame during a tv show.

He was DESPICABLE.

[goobergunch]

20. Tweety's brother was elected as a Repub in Delaware County, PA

A direct link eludes me, but here's a reference:

The feud might end next spring when Jim Matthews, chairman of the county commissioners and brother of MSNBC TV's Chris Matthews, is likely to challenge Bartle for leadership of the <<Republican>> party.

http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/local/7589387.htm (the paragraph right above Feud II)

[janx]

60. "testimony" for Clark

Can I get a WITNESS?

We need testimony, man; we need a witness! Amen!

Hey, I've heard this before! B-)

[KissMyAsscroft]

9. Matthews has a hard on for anyone in a flight suit...

nt

[DancingBear]

10. Just saw that

On the previous segment, did you see Clark's rep ask Dean's rep why (paraphrase) Dean sought input from Clark re: the Iraq war issue? Hmmnn, I wonder if they'll bring that up in the campaign. :)


Howard will be watching some Gregory Hine's tapes first, I'll bet. :)

[maddezmom]

11. Score one for the Tweetster!

nice to know someone gets it. :)

[edzontar]

31. The "Tweetster," eh?

Like he's our PAL, huh?

On what planet is this?

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. I THOUGHT that's what I heard!

I wasn't paying attention...then heard..."That's not a contradiction."

I think Clark has Tweety's respect. His SMACKDOWN worked. :7

[TLM]

14. Oh I love it... when Matthews said soemthing positive about Dean...

The Clark folks lined up to say that was proof of the right wing media conspriacy backing Dean.

Yet when he says something defending Clark, suddenly he is a great guy who saw the light.


LOL!

[edzontar]

21. It is beyond the surreal to be reading this stuff

On a site that used to be for progressives.

[leetrisck]

18. Don't trust Matthews at alll - he changes

with the wind - not only that General Clark cleaned Matthew's clock when he was on his show - didn't let him get away with his usual garbage. I thought Dean did extremely well on Matthew's show also.

[CWebster]

47. Lol--no he didn't

He refused to say that he was fired, insisted that it was an imposed retirement and pleaded that the subject be changed when he couldn't suitably talk his way out of it.

[gulliver]

27. Sure did.

Great to watch. The show is a must-see today. Katrina vanden Heuvel called Bush a "space cadet."

[edzontar]

29. Tweety is never a "must-see," though Kristina is great...

nt

[PROGRESSIVE1]

32. Clark Smacked Tweety down and Wes has the FULL RESPECT....

of Tweety "Media Whore" Matthews. Tweety knows to keep in line when he's with the General, of whom Tweety is NOT GOOD ENOUGH to be in General Clark's presence!

[salinen]

36. Tweety deserves to eat

what I just raked in the backyard. Yes I have a dog.

[edzontar]

41. He is too low for your dog's sweet poop....

What he should eat, we cannot even mention here...

"Oh general...."

[edzontar]

33. Tweety just admitted he is a reformed boozer...maybe that's why

He loves BUSH so much-especially when he wears that manly flight suit!!

But wait, there is a new suitor for the "Tweetster"'s evil heart--it's the manly, military General Clark--he's...so dreamy in that uniform....command me, sir, please!

[mouse7]

35. Tweety thought Richard Perle's book was brilliant, too.

You won't win many friends on the left pointing to the brilliance of Twetty and Russert... and you won't help candidates with their endorsement.

[jmaier]

40. I'd agree that Matthews isn't

a friend of the left although he has a soft spot for some democrats especially Ed Rendell. I think the ex-liberal Matthews went through a mid-life conversion a la Shrub: he quite drinking and became born-again religious. I suspect that motivates a lot of his thought these days.

On one contrarian note, I have to add that what passes for the "left" in many discussions here at DU is a relatively narrow band or so it appears to me and probably falls far short of the votes required to win a general election.

If you are going to use Kucinich, for example, as the positional litmus test for left-wing purity, then you are going to have to be happy as an outspoken opposition party. Of course that's my opinion but I can't think a single election year when that would not have been the case.

[edzontar]

42. You may be right, but Tweety is not our friend, folks...

Don't trust him is my advice..he'll let ya down, big time, because he has no core values or beliefs other than cynical, corporate, Washington gotcha-ism.

[DancingBear]

54. A voice of reason appears

On one contrarian note, I have to add that what passes for the "left" in many discussions here at DU is a relatively narrow band or so it appears to me and probably falls far short of the votes required to win a general election.

If you are going to use Kucinich, for example, as the positional litmus test for left-wing purity, then you are going to have to be happy as an outspoken opposition party. Of course that's my opinion but I can't think a single election year when that would not have been the case.

How did this ever get on here? Have you been condemned as a sell-out yet? :)

Thanks for a bit of real-life wisdom. :thumbsup:

[edzontar]

59. As a general rule, any winning strategy is based on a COALITION

A merging of constituencies.

In the DP's case, this would be a center-left coalition, where the interests of diverse groups are aligned into a common agreed-upon candidate and/or platform, strategy, etc..

As a Dean supporter, I am not supporting a "fringe-left" candidate, however "fringe" you may find my progressive-leftist poltics to be.

I am an ABB voter, and will support the Dem candidate.

That said, this is in theory at least a "left-wing," progressive board--it DEFINES ITSELF as such in its own descriptors!!!

If this is still the case (which seems increasingly in doubt), then it seems to me that passionate rejection of reactionary pigs like Tweety is not only to be expected, but encouraged..and I shall add that in all my months and years here, I have NEVER seen anyhting but harsh words for this whore on DU--until today,

[BootinUp]

69. Well, I remember recently

when he brutally attacked Nooner (Peggy Noonan) on the Iraq war and broke her down till she was speechless. There was quite a cheer here for Tweetser that night.

[edzontar]

76. No cheers from me..he flips faster than a NH pancake....

He is a cruel man, not to be trusted.

[mouse7]

67. I define left as Zinn, Chomsky, and Vidal

When I say left, I mean LEFT.

[edzontar]

77. These guys are all quite different....

And each amusing or enlightening in their way.

I am not anti-left.

I am anti-right.

[peacetalksforall]

37. crying shame

you don't have to HATE motormouth Matthews, but you can DISRESPECT him because he deserves disrespect. He is a shill. He's out to make a living by being a propagandist artist for GE and the corporate-military-banking-barons.

[CWebster]

38. Tweety is drooling over the General?

Yeah, that would be right up his alley. Oh, my general, my stud he sputters.

Yeah, Tweety is a real barometer of Democratic party preference.

[in_cog_ni_to]

64. Yeah, Tweety is a real barometer of Democratic party preference.

He was when he was giving a speech at a college and was drooling over Dean to them. When that was reported here on DU...you people LOVED him.

[TeacherCreature]

43. now there's a guy I'd want on my side!

Tweety Bird! Did the big Tweet also drool over how Wes looks in uniform?

[edzontar]

45. And you read it here--on DU..what a day this is, indeed.

We are rapidly approaching the bottom...I can only hope.

[Skwmom]

44. Chris is only too happy to point out the lies by

the liberal New York Times. The sad thing, for many the New York Times and the Washington Post is losing all credibility.

[TeacherCreature]

48. Hey, I've heard that before

B-)

[killbotfactory]

46. Was Clark consistent before or after...

He wrote an editorial praising Bush and Blair's resolve, and predicted good things in the region do to their awesome show of force?

[MasonJar]

49. Before Matthews decided to hate the Clinton's,

he actually was a Democratic-leaning talking head. He's a turncoat just like George S.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

50. We'll Take His Support

So would most Dean supporters, but then their candidate is so damn unlikeable that the media will probably Gore him as bad as Gore.

Clark, OTOH, will be able to weather the whore media much better than any other Dem. It's one of his strengths.

DTH

[edzontar]

51. And you may have it, my friend...and by the way...

Does your name mean you switched from a peacenik to an Iraq war supporter?

If so, why don;t you support Kerry?

[DoveTurnedHawk]

52. Nope

My name has a history. I'll be happy to tell you about it, if you ask nicely.

DTH

[edzontar]

56. Maybe in a PM--this thread is too contentious...

I am not normally this pissed off, but as you can see, I REALLY hate that pig, Tweety.

And I don't normally hate Clark or Kerry, I am just getting sick of all the attacks.

[windansea]

53. good tweety!!

he's an entertainer now...for ratings he tries to stir controversy

media exposure is a game...this was good exposure for Clark

[janx]

55. He WHAT? Would you please clarify this? He "witnessed"?

Where the heck am I?

[SEAburb]

65. Chris defended Clark against the article in NYT

Basically said NYT story took Clark's comment out of context and then tried to set the record straight.

[edzontar]

71. Gee, TWEETY would never twist a line or story out of context!!!

He is a man of true integrity, that TWEETY F-IN MATTHEW!

[janx]

83. ...

B-)

[janx]

57. Hey, I've heard this before!

B-)

[edzontar]

58. A HA!!!!

HMMM, welly well well....

[mot78]

63. Glad Tweety called his fellow whores on this

But he's NOT our friend, despite the fact that some fellow Clark supporters are praising him. He's also said nice things about Dean before, and got similar applause from Dean supporters. Matthews is more of a political opportunist...cheers on anyone who he feels would be the next Camelot.

[Clark Can WIN]

66. I think Tweety is hilarious actually

and you may have a point here. Hook your wagon to a winner, I can see that.

[edzontar]

72. Oh, he's a riot--a real riot!!!

HAHAHAHA......

[janx]

75. Then why did Lehane come across as such an idiot on Tweety's show?

Because he really did.

I'd never seen the young man nor heard him speak, but he came across as some kind of idiot.

[edzontar]

79. He was lousy--and I felt as if I had heard it all

Somewhere before..

[jmaier]

80. Lehane

apparently does pretty good work behind the scenes but I cringe whenever I see him out in front of the media and I'm a Clark supporter. I think he has better face people in the camp.

[edzontar]

82. I've certainly seen better faces--but that VOICE!!!!

Plus he interrupted and the "Tweetster" (as we now affectionatel call him) let him get away with it...

[KittyWampus]

84. Well, Paula Zahn Took Up The NYTimes Lie & Ran With It

on her show from what I read on the Clarkblog...

So what we have here is DUELING MEDIAWHORES!

[edzontar]

85. Paula is evil, but prettier, maybe even a little "Sexy"?

ZIPPP!!!!!

Both have spaces reseved for them in the "Bad Place."

[KittyWampus]

86. Well, As A Woman I Would Say Paula Is Not Sexy

but certainly not as difficult a countenance as Judy Woodruff whom my last boyfriend swore was a cross dressing man.

Trying to find a sexy male mediawhore.................... and I come up blank. Tried really hard too.........

Why are there no sexy male mediawhores? :(

[edzontar]

90. I was quoting that stupid, short-lived CNN promo...

And I can certainly agree that she is prettier than Woodruff, but she's younger, so it's not fair.

Woodruff came from a decent news show--the Lehrer show on PBS, and upon arrival at CNn, immediately turned into an idiot-whore.

Her "moderation" of the Dem debate a few months back was pathetic and incompetent.

Zahn is smarter thatn Judy, or rather, better manufactured. She is pure, postmodern, corpo-fascist evil.

ZIP!!!

[MoonRiver]

87. Hey, everybody! Fact is, Tweety wants * gone, & knows Clark can do it!

Let's now start discussing why * is such a revolting figure to the media whores that they are turning against him in support of the most viable Democratic challenger. That issue is huge.

[jmaier]

89. Defending a Clark statement

isn't exactly the same thing as wanting to oust Shrub who Matthews voted for in 2000. I wouldn't be doing any handstands since he's perfectly capable of slamming Clark tomorrow.

Do recall that he gave the platform to a couple of generals to echo the Shelton smear earlier this fall.

[edzontar]

91. I don't believe it...and don't even care....

He is a soulless, cynical creep, not to be forgiven or endured.