Is the Dean campaign training people to hate the Dem Party?

[ShaneGR]

All of these attacks on the Clintons, or groups like the DLC.... what happens if Dean doesn't get the nomination?

[LuminousX]

1. Worry about something legitimate

[ulysses]

2. yes.

Now that you've discovered the secret, we have to kill you, Democrat pig.

[ShaneGR]

3. LOL!

You made me laugh.

[slinkerwink]

14. rotflmao!

:yourock: great response to a stupid post!

[corporatewhore]

4. all ready thought that the dem party was pretty much crap since i started

thinking and reading beyond NYT altough i think dean is part of the same bunch of dems he claims to hate

[cally]

5. See this thread

Several Dean supporters discuss what they will do if Dean loses.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=109213&mesg_id=109213

[mmonk]

6. true criticism

isn't necessarily hate. It might be concern.

[mouse7]

7. No...they don't like Bush supporters or enablers

If you are going to spend more time in your career supporting, defending, or enabling neo-con policies then fighting them, Dean supporters are not going to like you.

If you spend more time yelling at Democrats than you do Republicans, Dean supporters are not going to like you.

Pretty simple really. If you act like a Democrat and support Democrats, Dean supporters will like you.

[blm]

16. That's funny, since Dean made his name attacking the other Democrats.

Funny, since Dean is the one who spent 11 years kisiing GOP ass while governor.

Funny, since Dean's deceptive rhetoric throughout the campaign was calculated to instill hatred for good longtime liberal Democrats and mask his own centrist record of aligning with Republicans often AGAINST the progressive Democrats for 11 years.

[mouse7]

41. I remember something a teacher once told Charlie Brown...

"mwaaaa mwa mwaa m mwaaaaaaa mwaa mw mwaa mwaaaa mwaa mwaaa..."

[Cha]

25. Good one, mouse!

I like you! :toast:

[Rose Siding]

8. DLC as victim?

All those regular, average, type people that compose the Dean campaign are out to get them?

[hellhathnofury]

9. Yes. Because...

the Clintons and the DLC are all there is to the Democratic party.

[Walt Starr]

10. I can tell you what will happen if Dean does not get the nomination

Count on most of the Democrats that have become newly registered by Dean staying home.

That's what will happen.

In other words, Bush wins because at best, any other candidate would be in a race close enough to steal again. And really, all these bastards need is a close race.

[ShaneGR]

15. Wow

In other words, support Dean or else.....

That's a great tagline. Not.

[Walt Starr]

32. Read this

Dean has been registering numerous disaffected voters, and most of them would walk if Dean loses:

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/jan2004/nf20040112_1950_db015.htm

[Phelan]

39. So your strategy is to rely on people that have never bothered to vote

before? That sounds like a great idea.

I think I am going to start an investment portfolio that invests only in stocks that have never performed well based on the CEO's promise that after years of not doing anything productive they are now changed.

[jumptheshadow]

61. Yes, and attack the people who do vote

And who have been loyal, core, liberal Democrats.

[HFishbine]

64. Silly analogies aside

It's an excellent strategy and just about the only reasonable way any dem has of winning. With the electorate split down the middle, the only way to win more votes is to bring new people into the process.

[bain_sidhe]

40. Well, hey, what's a little extortion

among friends, huh? You got a problem with that?

Nominate Dean or I walk is a *great* campaign slogan, isn't it?

[blm]

17. I can tell you what will happen if Kerry doesn't get the nomination.

People like me, who have been tailing the BFEE for so many years will be pissed off that so many Dems were manipulated by the media to nominate a right wing jerk pretending to be a progressive Democrat, because the BFEE will get away without having to confront their real crimes of the last two decades that only ONE candidate can connect with any clarity.

BushInc. has played the Dem party throughout this entire primary and too many fools are letting them do it.

Gee...Frank Luntz praising Dean for months wasn't a BIG enough clue?

[mouse7]

42. All 7 of you Kerry supporters lost. Ouch! n/t

[Tinoire]

20. Unfortunately that goes for a lot of Kucinich supporters

Some of us hate Bush but we love ourselves more. Others were never Dems to begin with but Greens, Socialists or Progressive Independents.

As odd as it may seem to people who know how negatively Bush has affected my life, I would rather have Bush for 4 more years than to have a Democrat of whom I was ashamed.

And yes, I was ashamed of NAFTA, GATT, WTO, welfare reform, Haiti, Columbia, Yugoslavia.

This election may be the first one in my life that I don't rush to the polls to vote Dem and that will hurt like hell but I won't vote for anyone who doesn't speak for me- that's what voting is all about.

[corporatewhore]

44. totally agree

[AP]

21. 90% of Nader preferrers voted for Gore.

I find it hard to believe that Dean preferrers would stay home.

[Printer70]

22. Here's one Dean supporter who won't support just anyone...

especially not wannabe-Republicans no matter if they have a (D) after their name. We must remake the Democratic party, before we remake the nation. If we nominate GOP-lite, we LOSE the general and the party. And I won't aid and abet that. I'd rather follow my conscience and vote for who I believe in, even if that's a third party.

[RetroLounge]

11. Yes, didn't you get the indocrination papers?

prepare for re-education, Clinton Lover...

edit: now if I can figure out how to make my sig font size smaller...

[Sean Reynolds]

12. Must hate DNC...

SHOOT TO KILL SHOOOT TO KILL SHOOT TO KILL!

[Hoppin_Mad]

13. Hmm - maybe the 'wannabe' Dems in the party -eom-

[dsc]

18. No crappy dishonest posts like yours are

n/t

[R3dD0g]

19. I like Dean - a lot

but I'm beginning to develop a strong aversion to the Dean supporters around here.

You're reminding me of the Naderites of 2000, and we know what that gave us.

[dsc]

24. whatever

I have voted for every Democrat for President since Dukakis. I have canvased for everyone since Mondale. I have given money to every one since Clinton. I have worked for Celeste, Burch, and Hagan for Governeor. I have worked for Fingerhut for Cognress. I have worked for Stevenson for gov in IL. I have worked for Musgrove for Lt Gov of MS. I have worked for Metzenbalm Hyatt and Glenn. I have taken people to polls, put up lawnsigns called people and all kinds of other grunt work. So in short, unless and until you have done that kind of stuff, even for candidates who have voted to make you a second class citizen in your own country, kindly stifle it.

[dsc]

30. of course no answer

what a shock.

[eileen_d]

46. Were you hoping to make a new friend with your post?

:shrug:

[Clark Can WIN]

23. I've never heard a Democrat that put down Democrats and the party

As relentlessly and with as much contempt as Dean does. It's amazing.

[Hoppin_Mad]

26. Apparently you never heard of Zel Miller - All the Dems I know have -eom

[adadem]

31. Interesting

comparison. Perhaps both are on equal terms in their quest to damage or, in other words, remake the Democratic Party.

So it appears that if Dean loses the nomination the "dyed in the wool" Democrats will stay with the party and the newer "Dean supporter" Democrats will bolt the party.

Sad.

[billbuckhead]

27. Dean started a civil war in the party & then whines when he gets incoming

Dean called Washington Dems cockroaches but asked for the support of Confederate flag wavers and won't turn down the 8 endorsements he got from the NRA blacklisters.

[mouse7]

43. Whatever... but you can't win without their votes or money. n/t

[HFishbine]

65. Dean endorsed by the NRA?

Eight times? Once?

Link? Source? Credibility?

[dsc]

28. No your candidate merely raised money for Impeachment managers

but who is counting.

[cprise]

54. The center-left got tired of being labeled as hippies and radicals

...by the party aparatus, which as we all know, has become highly detached from reality.

Since Dean came on the scene, Republicans have had to do their own "hippies and radicals" name-calling for a change.

Oh, the toil... Where is that erand boy??

[pasadenaboy]

29. Is the democratic party training people to hate Dean?

That's a much more important question. I think the answer is yes.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

49. Nope, Dean's Doing That All By Himself

I despise Dean for who he is, what he says, not because lots of other rational people despise him too.

DTH

[IndianaGreen]

33. We have been attacking the DLC, and deservedly so, since 2001

You must ask yourself if scumbags like Al From and Zell Miller more properly belong in the GOP.

[Ramsey]

34. Are you for real?

Do you actually have anything of intelligence to say, or are you just filling this board with useless stream of consciousness blather?

I am truly sorry to be so harsh, but really, this post just reeks of flamebait.

[MercutioATC]

35. I was disenchanted with the Dem Party before Dean...now I'm active again.

Dean's actually IMPROVED my involvement in politics and support of the Democratic Party.

[Pax Argent]

37. Before Bush I had no interest in politics whatsoever.

This was because it was my firm belief that, aside from a few diehards, the majority of both parties were bought and sold by special interests. In my ignorance I believed them when I was told that there was no substansive difference between Bush and Gore. I couldn't have been more wrong.

For my part, Dean best expresses the disenchantment that I have felt for the Democratic establishment for years. I expect the Repugs to be bought and sold, but, maybe unfairly, I've always expected more from the party of Roosevelt and Kennedy. Dean also feels strongly about fiscal responsibility and a balanced budget, which I feel is the cornerstone of any good fiscal policy. Good fiscal policy supports all other endeavors, be they education, social welfare or defense.

If it came right down to it, I would vote for ANY Democrat over Bush at this point, but I'm hoping Dean takes it.

Be well.

[stickdog]

36. Dean simply LISTENED to us. We already hated Bush-enabling Dems.

He didn't train anyone to do anything. He simply gave us a voice.

[thebigthink]

38. What about Bush-Fighting Dems?

Like, oh, John Edwards, Richard Gephardt, John Kerry, Dennis Kucinich, Tom Harkin, Ted Kennedy and for that matter, even old Joltin' Joe Lieberman (to name a few).

[mouse7]

45. Votes? A few on that list couldn't draw flies if they were covered in...

...honey. They have enabled Bush since 2000 to avoid being tagged with anything controversial, and now claim to be "fighters."

Baloney.

[thebigthink]

48. If you're going to slander someone's character...

Be specific. Provide examples. Cite references.

[mouse7]

63. Sat-Kerry attacked Clark, Sun-Kerry attacked Edwards

Look in this forum for the threads on those two issues from the weekend.

Mon-Kerry had Shaheen attack Clark
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=311627

Lieberman attacks most of the field regularly.

[oasis]

47. "They're not trying stop me,they're trying to stop you." Taking POWER

away from you. Question: Who is they?

[ThirdWheelLegend]

50. progressives against corporate dominance?

just a guess

TWL

[Tweed]

51. Yes

[Adjoran]

52. From what I hear

there are a lot of Dean supporters who have openly proclaimed they won't support anyone other than Dean unless certain conditions are met.

Some won't support anyone who voted for the IWR, which leaves out Kerry, Gephardt, Edwards, and Lieberman - and Clark, according to some of them.

Some won't support a "bush lite" candidate - and various of them have described all five of the above as such at one time or another.

At least one proposed not to support who in her opinion attacks Dean unjustifiably. Not sure what she considers an "attack" or a justifiable one, at that.

Most Dean supporters will be with us, win or lose, no doubt. But it does seem to me that the people who are already declaring things like the above are preparing to burn their bridges behind them.

That's sad, and it's too bad. What a shame to have brought so many new people into the process, only to have them quit if things don't go their way. If adversity bothers someone that much, though, politics is probably an unsuitable hobby for them.

[stickdog]

53. Yes! If you can't not participate out of apathy like a good noncitizen,

please by all means feel free to not participate out of disappointment.

[Gore1FL]

55. This is laughable

Dean is training people to hate the Democratic Party....

I guess Clark is training people to hate fish.

Kucinich is training people to hate themselves

Sharpton is training people to hate bolonga sandwiches.

Lieberman is trainging people to hate Lieberman (this one might actually be true...)

Kerry and Edwards on the other hand have much more positive campaigns.
They are training people to love ketchup and puppies (respectively)

[stickdog]

57. Nice sig. (nt)

[Printer70]

56. Yesterday we were indignant at the DLC and Bush-appeasers

And now criticizing them is "un-Democratic". Clark represents the DLC wing of the party, Dean represents the progressive wing. It is that clear of a choice.

[Name removed]

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[jonnyblitz]

60. pot meet kettle. n/t

[quaker bill]

59. No

He has been training folks to desire to make the party a relevant player on national policy again. The repubs aren't even inviting us to meetings anymore.

This must change. Dean is all about that.

[CWebster]

62. The Republicans win?

In both parties.

[Skinner]

66. This is inflammatory.

I'm locking.

Skinner
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