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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:06 PM
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Anti-Kerry program will be far worse than we expected
Edited on Wed Oct-20-04 02:06 PM by genius
Keep up the phones calls and check to see what is happening with injunction.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/19/185722/64

To get a sense of what they're really doing, check out what Sinclair VP Mark Hyman said on CNN:


HEMMER: What's the motivation behind this airing now?
HYMAN: Well, this is definitely a newsworthy event. These Vietnam prisoners of war had suffered horrific abuse and unspeakable torture for many years. And they -- most of them maintained silence for 31 years and felt a need to respond to claims made by John Kerry.

They have only recently come forward and, as you may know, they've approached the broadcast networks who all said, "We're not interested in speaking to you folks." Nobody has earned a right to speak on the Vietnam experience more so than these men. There are a pair of Medal of Honor winners in this particular group. So, these folks have some standing.

Now, our goal here is to get John Kerry to sit down and talk with these guys, get a chance to tell them why he branded them as war criminals, why he accused them of committing wartime atrocities. These are questions...

Put the two together. What they planned all along was to air selected portions of the anti-Kerry propaganda and intersperse that with studio elements of former POWs and other veterans bashing Kerry. Think Swift Boat Unfiltered. This is far worse as a smear than if they had just aired the documentary. It reinforces the "message" of the documentary and updates it with the panel to make the charge seem fresh and alive.

But, wait, there's more. Remember all that about "the role of the media in filtering the information contained in these documentaries, allegations of media bias by media organizations that ignore or filter legitimate news and the attempts by candidates and other organizations to influence media coverage"? You see, all of this will be framed as a discussion about how the liberal media, following the lead of the Kerry campaign, has systematically ignored these claims and "filtered" the news. That's how they will claim that this is "news" and not just a recycling of old anti-Kerry smears. It's as if the Free Republic were programming a night of programming with the aid of FCC lawyers and the Bush campaign. It's intensely cynical and partisan.

And it is NOT a retreat. They're as brazen as ever. The pressure must be raised, not relaxed in any way.

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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:08 PM
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1. I hope
it's a hysterical, shrill smear job that turns off more people than it convinces. And you know what? I betcha that's exactly what's going to happen.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:10 PM
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3. It won't happen by itself.We have to call, write, nag, harp, countergossip
This is how grassroots work. Chat this up for the trash that it is with everyone you know (except skip the true believers)
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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:24 PM
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17. Damn right
and believe me, we will. The best thing * ever did is to give Democrats their spines back.
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democrat_patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:08 PM
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2. Time to mass email again.

Any hackers out there? Feel free to disrupt some transmissions. (OK maybe a bad idea).
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Texas_Dem Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:10 PM
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4. I figured that. Boycott is still on.
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Barney Rocks Donating Member (746 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:11 PM
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5. Is tonight the first
airing? I am not sure of there schedule? There is no Sinclaire owned network where I live--not that I would watch it anyway.

:puke:
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:17 PM
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10. They are airing it tonight?
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Barney Rocks Donating Member (746 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:20 PM
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14. I can't remember
for certain--I did not bookmark the original thread on it--but I thought it was going to start on Wed Oct 20 and run through Sun Oct 24? I don't have the ability to search--someone please check on this--we may not have much time--we have to act very quickly if the first showing is tonight!
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aden_nak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:14 PM
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6. Yeah, when the Swift Boat ads aired. . .
All those big nasty liberal news networks refused to even LOOK at them, let alone speak to them.

*hit* *head* *desk*
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:14 PM
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7. Maintained silence for 31 YEARS!!!!
Edited on Wed Oct-20-04 02:17 PM by drfemoe
And a whole two of them have ONE medal?
Cheap shot. That's ALL those repukes know!

They are not only slandering John Kerry with their tawdriness, but every soldier who fought in Viet Nam.

This should backfire BIGTIME, if allowed to proceed.
Just when I think I can't get any more heart sick, the repukes bring it on...
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bush equals idiot Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:15 PM
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8. Need a little positive dust over here.
Sprinkling out of my plane. ploop ploop ploop. There that's one bag.
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ogradda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:17 PM
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11. ah! you hit me!
thanks! :)
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:16 PM
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9. They really must think people are morons...
Whether you put a paper bag full of dog crap on someone's doorstep and light it on fir, or put a box of dog crap wrapped like a Christmas present and light it on fire, it's the same god-damned thing.

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donhakman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:20 PM
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13. The local MD news said Sinclair stockholders have
insisted that Sinclair heavily edit the film - (so the boycott will not hurt their investment.
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tomfodw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:32 PM
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23. People ARE morons
I mean, this race is still close, isn't it?

Okay, what's your explanation?
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:19 PM
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12. Correct me if I am wrong, but.....
Kerry was only repeating what other VN Vets told him and they asked him to get their words out. He said he never witnessed the atrocities spoken to him by other Vets. Is that correct? I watched "Going Upriver" and have listened to his Senate testimony in which the members of Congress praised him , btw, and that is what he said. This is pure bullshit!
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:23 PM
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15. That's right. But they always edit out that part.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:30 PM
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19. How convenient for them!
:grr:
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:28 PM
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18. Kerry's assertions
1. You are correct - Kerry made it clear that he was repeating what other soldiers had told him.

2. As "unfashionable" as it is to talk about it these days, war crimes were committed by some soldiers. That's a real fact that we Americans have not totally come to terms with yet, even after 40 years. Vietnam wasn't our finest hour as a nation, the individual courage and honor of many soldiers not withstanding.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:32 PM
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21. Thanks, I was pretty sure I was correct on this
And welcome to DU btw. :hi:
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:32 PM
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22. One of the POWs who claimed to hear of Kerry
while in prison was there same time and place as McCain and McCain and others there at the time say they never heard of Kerry until they got home. This is all bullshit. They have all said at one time or another there was NO TORTURE after 1969. So how could Kerry's testimony in 1971 cause them more torture ?
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:43 PM
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26. Thank you..
That was a question on mine and I wondered why McCain wasn't the head of the group if he had been there unless it's all made up. (Wonder if that's why Bush has McCain on such a short leash right now, so he can't refute what the SBVFT & POWAK are saying).
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:47 PM
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27. How indeed?
This is pure bullshit and the media whores, each and everyone of them, who have the real info. before them, are choosing to back up these swift liars and others. It makes me sick! We should be discussing the chimp's horrific record these past four years, and not what Kerry did while in VN nor what he did when he came back, but since it is so horrific, they of course can't do that. And btw, I think what Kerry did when he came back from VN was commendable and should be praised, not slandered!
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:23 PM
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16. I believe it has already been shown to the 8000 customers of one small
operation.

So getting it stopped may be not possible.

But the idea of going after the advertisers makes a lot of sense.

Besides - they want to show it TWICE - again just before the election.
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:31 PM
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20. Right; er, this could BACKFIRE on them...
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:41 PM
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24. This is going to end up like a Jerry Springer episode
Vietnam Veterans Against Kerry gone wild!! If Kerry isn't there to attack they may end up turning on each other.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:42 PM
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25. Hyman *hates* Kerry
And I have no doubt that any special is going to reflect this point of view.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 03:01 PM
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28. ABC, CBS and Warner affiliates are going to air this show
WE need to demand equal time from them. They might listen.
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 03:16 PM
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29. Here is a great site for rebutting the Swift Liars
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