Should Teresa tone it down?

[MattNC]

I think she'll make a GREAT first lady, but does anyone else think she needs to be VERY careful with her comments over the next two weeks? I just worry about her saying something that the Repug spin machine could jump on, which would ultimately hurt the campaign. This seems to be the strategy of their minions like Sludge and a few others.

Again, I mean no ill-will towards Teresa, but winning this campaign is paramount over everything else.

[Big Kahuna]

1. Hell no!

We need another Hillary, not another stepford wife!

[MattNC]

4. that's fine

once we're in the White House.

[bloom]

119. Oh sure - that's what they all say

once upon a time - when pigs fly - or whatever - THEN we'll let them speak.

GIve me a break. It's a bunch of sexist men driving this meme - most of whom have low post counts.

[onecitizen]

38. Ditto Big K!! nt

[XanaDUer]

2. Yes.

I adore her. But, she needs to just watch out in these last two weeks before moving into the WH.

The conservs are getting desperate, so we have to watch them. They will be at their most dangerous.

[MidwestTransplant]

3. Well she managed to knock the Pat Robertson story

out of the news cycle.

[EagleEye]

8. No she didn't. Robertson all over the place.

[NAO]

18. How? I didn't see that. <nm>

[hippiegranny]

25. what happened?

went to LBN and didn't find anything. What did THK do that prompted this thread?

[goclark]

5. Hell No!

She scares them out of their pants!

She has money and that scares them a lot.

See the thread about Sean Hannity today.

We have them stewing in their own juice and it is wonderful.

[Triana]

6. NO! (n/t)

[MsUnderstood]

7. Has she done anything in the last few weeks you disapprove of?

I think it has been the VP gals in the forefront exchanging barbs.

That said, I got mad when people said Hillary needs to cool it, and I'll get mad when you say Theresa needs to cool it.

There is nothing wrong with a woman who speaks her mind. What needs to change is the perception that an outspoken woman is a sign of a weak husband--it actually reflects a strong man who can live with a strong woman.

[MattNC]

10. i'm being realistic

I have NO problem with a woman speaking her mind. But as I said above, winning this campaign is above everything else right now, and I want to minimize any potential damage to the campaign. If she wants to give strong speeches, that's great. But we don't need any gaffes like she made today.

[sonicx]

16. you realize that the only other comment that got play was 'shove it'

right?

and that was months ago.

tell Kerry to stop using weakling words like 'global test' and 'sensitive'

[janx]

99. What gaffes? What did she say today?

?

[Barney Rocks]

26. well said!!!

I really wish we had an applause emoticon!

[sonicx]

9. this thing with her is being overplayed

the last thing she said that got the fake outrage was 'shove it' and that was months ago and toward a reporter.

if anything, tell John to watch what he says. He's the one getting hammered for 'nuiance' 'global test' etc.

[Booster]

21. On the news tease, she apparently said something either

to the 1st Stepford Lady or about her that she apologized for. I have no idea what it was and didn't catch it on the news.

[sonicx]

24. i know that. it was a mistake which she corrected

there is no issue.

[gulfcoastliberal]

11. Yes

We're at red alert here homies. This is fucking it. Let the pros running the campaign decide how many more media events Teresa does down the home stretch. I bet they will be few, if any. Chill till we're in.

[Career Prole]

12. Should Missus Cheney? Should Pickles? Should Babs Bush?

Should Liz Cheney?
I say no way should our next First Lady tone it down. Teresa has a fine mind, and she knows how to use it.

[DefenseLawyer]

33. Yeah, if they want to help their cause

they should. She has a fine mind, but everyone in the campaign has to know that ANYTHING that can be twisted to create a controversy will be. There was nothing to be gained by the statement. No upside, whether she said it or anyone else in the campaign. You say nice things about the first lady and there is ZERO coverage of the statement. It's not the end of the world by any means, but these kind things in the news cycle don't help.

[RoyGBiv]

13. Hell No!

I understand the need for being careful about the language and tone one uses when addressing the electorate. However, we must set the standards. We must be assertive. We must not allow the misogynistic white men in power today to do it for us. We must force the opposition to react and in so doing prove themselves to be the disgusting tyrants they are.

[DURHAM D]

14. This is sexist b...s... question. eom

[MattNC]

15. oh please

:eyes:

[Bush was AWOL]

36. LOL! I totally agree with you

Sexist? Not exactly you're making a valid point. Her comments are not productive.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

30. I second that. n/t

[Ducks In A Row]

17. of course not

She's learning from Hilary's mistake of toning it down. Hilary didn't realize that she needed to shove it in the faces of the self-righteous whores.

[Awsi Dooger]

19. Absolutely

I love her, especially in relation to these bitch to plastic GOP first ladies of late.

But my vote is not at stake. The mostly apolotical people at my debate watching parties did not have as high an opinion of Teresa as Laura Bush. I asked them that specific question twice, after the first and third debates.

No one had significant reservations, but two people who made slightly negative comments referenced that "shut up" line from earlier in the campaign. I guess that got more media play than I thought, for them to remember it. Once it was mentioned, several other people said something like, "Oh yeah. I forgot about that."

I suggest Teresa smile and cool it for two weeks.

[spooky3]

22. Hope you reminded them about "Go Cheney Yourself".

[sonicx]

23. 'shove it' was the only other thing that got play

this new laura bush thing was an accident which she corrected.

Everything else she's said about Laura has been VERY kind (too kind, but that's just me)

There is no issue, IMO.

[hippiegranny]

31. WHAT HAPPENED?

sorry to shout... been asking and nobody will tell me!

[BuelahWitch]

41. She said Pickles never had a real job

When she was a librarian way back when in the '70s before she married George. Not a big deal. Why is she supposed to know the history of the Bush women?
This is only being blown out of proportion because of the whore media. The other side has said things that are much, much worse but they get no play because they're Republicans.

[hippiegranny]

75. oh I see...

the manufactured outrage du jour a la poor little Mary Cheney. It is such a shame that the mean old Pink Lady Dems are beating up on the hapless Olivia Newton John Pubbie chicks.

[janx]

101. She never really had a real job as an adult. I just checked.

She's right. Laura Bush has never had to work, and she has not worked for the greater portion of her adult life.

I could be wrong though. How many years did she teach? How many years was she a school librarian?

[texasmom]

96. Exactly.

She's exhausted. She apologized and clarified quickly. End of story. The media is in a frenzy, because that is what they do. It'll be over with tomorrow. Since she apologized, what can they say? It's over. (Well, Joe Klein tried to make something big about it.)

People will be deciding on Kerry, not Teresa, anyway. Much ado about nothing, and the people know it.

[Czolgosz]

20. Hell no, but she should be in NM, NV, AZ, and TX addressing Spanish

speaking voters.

[sonicx]

27. kick

this fight ain't over yet. :D

[SammyWinstonJack]

28. Uh in a word

No!

[heidiho]

29. No Way! I love a woman who's not arm candy like Laura

She reminds me of my mother and her sisters - tough, outspoken, and nearly always right. When you see her on a talk show one on one, she is just amazing.

Why can't she say what she wants? It's a free country - last I heard.

[TexasSissy]

32. Too late.

[snowbear]

34. As Emeril Lagasse would say..........

........she should "KICK IT UP A NOTCH" :bounce:

Our next first lady absolutely ROCKS!!

[Bush was AWOL]

35. Yes, it serves no purpose for her to be

news stories which will shed a negative life.

The Republicans will now turn this into a huge story, which it shouldn't be.

[sonicx]

40. the only other comment that got play was 'shove it'

John's 'mistatements' have been far more damaging.

[sendero]

37. I see all these threads about her....

... but exactly what has she said that is so worrisome?

Everything I've seen her say was intelligent and thoughtful.

Can the RW "jump on" something? Well, let me say it clearly - they can jump on anything they want, real or imagined, at any time.

And no doubt if (when actually) Kerry is elected, Teresa will become the new Hillary, hated for no reason in particular.

I can't fix the haters. But I can ignore them.

[Buck Rabbit]

73. All day all the Netscape.com home page, a bad head line.

number 3 on the news headline links.

"Teressa says Laura has Never had a Real Job"

Headline now says:

"Teressa Sorry for Laura Remark"

I assume other sites have featured it as well. Unfortunate mis-speak. Probably, will blow over soon.

[sendero]

85. Thanks for the example..

... but frankly

1) it's probably true

2) it isn't going to bother anyone but the "base"

If Pickles is out there jawboning about the economy, something I'm pretty sure she knows f*ck-all about, well she deserves such comments IMHO :)

[Tatiana]

39. Why do we shy away from HONESTY in politics?

The woman speaks her mind. Her words, tone, and manner of speaking are sincere and heartfelt. I don't mind the fact that she is 'opinionated.' In fact, I find it refreshing. Perhaps she will start a trend of "keeping it real" and speaking what is on one's mind. The pandering and ass-kissing get old after a while and I'm glad Teresa kisses no one's ass, not even John Kerry's.

She's the type of person our young ladies should aspire to be: strong, independent, and intelligent. I, for one, couldn't be prouder or more supportive of her.

[DefenseLawyer]

44. Politics is politics

I agree with your ideals, just tell me how the headline "Theresa Heinz Kerry apologizes to the First Lady" helps the campaign?

[Fluffdaddy]

42. Yes do more then tone it down....Shut her the hell up

She's hurting us

[sonicx]

45. John is hurting us worse

with global test and sensitive

[mzmolly]

62. Some here appear to buy the RW talking points? Sometimes I wonder

if US really is "US" ...

[sonicx]

66. no no

i just hate the double standard.

[mzmolly]

70. I just hate the double standard in the media. Bush "gaffes" daily and it

is considered homey and down to earth. Teresa Heinz Kerry says very nice things about Laura Bush which include the comment: I DON'T KNOW if she has ever had a real job ... and it's taken out of context by the corporate media.

"Well, you know, I don't know Laura Bush. But she seems to be calm, and she has a sparkle in her eye, which is good," Heinz Kerry said. "But I don't know that she's ever had a real job — I mean, since she's been grown up. So her experience and her validation comes from important things, but different things."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&e=6&u=/ap/heinz_kerry

[DefenseLawyer]

83. I don't think you can spin

"But I don't know if she's ever had a real job" as saying something nice. I'm sorry, "real job" is pejorative, whether she intended it to come out that way or not. It was an undisciplined thing to say. But it was not the end of the world and hopefully the story won't have legs, but you have to call a mistake a mistake and learn from it.

[mzmolly]

121. I can simply say she meant "a job outside the home" ...

The thing that angers me is the friggin media is more interested in Teresa's gaffes then Bush's bullshit lies about a war.

Where are the Nukes?
Where is the connection to 911?
Where is the accountability in this administration for anything?

Why the hell are we talking about Teresa Heinz when we have KILLED innocents in Iraq over nothing?

Oh, but who gives a shit about innocent people being murdered with our tax dollars right, because Teresa Kerry made a gaffe today. :eyes: Sorry, but it's BULLSHIT.

[phish420]

110. Some have also transfered the "With us or against us' mentality...

...to our party.

[mzmolly]

122. And again, some here are counter productive. 30,000 plus people dead

for what?

Again I ask, why the hell are we talking about an innocent comment from Teresa Kerry? One that Laura Bush herself said she was not offended by?

[mzmolly]

53. YOUR hurting "US" ...

"Shut her the hell up?!"

:grr:

[expatriate]

43. What's more important right now?

Teresa speaking her mind, no matter what or John Kerry being elected?

It will not kill Teresa to watch her mouth for less than two weeks. She doesn't have to become arm candy, she doesn't have to give a Laura Bush mannequin grin, but she could be circumspect in making remarks that can damage her husband's chances.

Sometimes you have to compromise a little bit. Giving the Republicans anything to spin into a great big deal could hurt Kerry's chances, because this race is close.

It doesn't mean she can't speak, but she could avoid making misinformed remarks that can be taken and used against the Kerry campaign.

[sonicx]

46. tell John to watch his mouth

don't say stuff like global test and sensitive.

and refering to cheney's daughter.

[Minimus]

63. what is your problem?

[Minimus]

69. Obviously you did not see THK on The View yesterday

she did a great job and spoke very nicely about Laura. The only "news" I heard about her misstatement concerning Laura's previous employment, was when the news talked of her gracious apology.

[Doosh]

47. yes

comments like this so late in the campaign get magnified, this probably neutralized the whole "no casualties" comment by Bush that is really a big deal. Teresa should keep her mouth shut and not make elitist comments.

[sonicx]

48. you are mistaken

she forgot that laura was a teacher and librian. If she remembered, the comment would not have been made.

She wasn't elitist. she really didn't know that laura had previous jobs.

[Doohickie]

49. According to Beaverhousen,

From a thread that has been locked,

Here is what she said- Just what is so bad about it?


"Well, you know, I don't know Laura Bush. But she seems to be calm, and she has a sparkle in her eye, which is good," Heinz Kerry said. "But I don't know that she's ever had a real job — I mean, since she's been grown up. So her experience and her validation comes from important things, but different things."

To which I replied,

"I don't know that she's ever had a real job."

Without being familiar with the details, I am pretty sure she is a librarian. There are undoubtedly many educators out there that would take offense at such a remark, which either shows ignorance regarding Laura's career or implies that being a librarian (and by extension, educator) is not a "real" job.

I wonder what Mrs. Kerry's "job" is (I mean, besides marrying into money). Seriously, I don't know. What does she do with her time; what did she do before she was rich?

Whether or not she is a nice lady, I don't know, but saying what she did about Laura won't make others think she's very nice.

[sonicx]

51. if she knew laura was a librian and teacher

she would never have made the comment.

[expatriate]

78. How could she not know that L. Bush

was a teacher and a librarian, for however short or long a time she might have been? Don't her husband's campaign managers brief her on things? This is a political campaign, where there is constant exchange of information, briefing, image grooming and the like going on. If I knew, on the other side of the planet where about ten seconds of news coverage is given to the US Presidential election, that Laura Bush had put in some time in the past as a teacher and a librarian, I find it very hard to believe that the 2004 Democratic Presidential candidate's wife didn't know anything about it.

I wish that voters would have the attitude that only the candidates' words are important, but sadly, that is not reality. It just seems to me at this point, giving the Republicans anything they can use to damage Kerry's chances of being elected, is just madness. Even words spoken with no malice intended can be twisted and used to damage Kerry - as we have seen. When it's now necessary to avoid saying the word "sensitive", it would stand to reason that personal remarks can be much more harmful.

Personally, I have always hated the practice of dragging the candidates' families into political campaigns, because it detracts from what the candidates are saying and just creates this kind of controversy - and when the families are involved like this, there is no end of harm that can be done by remarks they make.

Hopefully the Pat Robertson thing will eclipse this one very quickly.

[Beaverhausen]

60. Teresa's view of working and being a mother

"Mrs. Heinz Kerry would have been a doctor herself, she said, but she wanted to raise her children and did not think she could do both."

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/news/news_2004_1013a.html

read the whole statement she made today. There is nothing wrong with it...even if she was mistaken that Laura had worked.

[Doohickie]

67. In and of itself, I agree that it's not that big of a deal,

...but I just hate to give Repugs any ammo, especially on a subject that is so irrelevant to public policy.

[Blue Moon]

50. Yes she should

She's not running for office. Her opinion is meaningless and she should stay out of the limelight. I feel she's a loose cannon and is hurting Kerry's chances. Who cares if she wins a verbal battle. I'm not concerned about her "victories," I'm concerned about winning the war, the election war. And she's not helping the cause.

[bagnana]

52. It's fine if she's outspoken. But before you speak

make sure you are RIGHT!!!! No need to offend people by criticizing the Bushes falsely -- they have more than enough material.

[Beaverhausen]

57. Like Bush does?

please! This is bullshit.

[Raiden]

54. It's kinda funny...

The Repigs hate Kerry for being too sensitive (unless it involves a certain Vice President's lesbian daughter, then he's not sensitive enough), and they hate THK for being outspoken (unless it involves her tax returns, then she can't disclose enough). All I have to say to them is "Get a brain, morans!"

At any rate, no, I do not think Teresa should stifle herself up until the election. It's like James Carville said, "We Democrats don't muzzle our women." Besides, Teresa is a valuable asset and a breath of fresh air and if the Repigs don't like it, they can shove it!

[Doohickie]

59. Raiden:

"We Democrats don't muzzle our women."

No, but that's because we expect more from them... we expect them to use their brains.

Besides, Teresa is a valuable asset and a breath of fresh air and if the Repigs don't like it, they can shove it!

The hardcore Repigs don't matter, but what about the "security mom" who voted for Bush last time and may consider Kerry? Why give her any reason to turn back to the Dark Side?

[sonicx]

64. "Why give her any reason to turn back to the Dark Side?"

yeah, like using the word 'nuiance' when talking about terrorism....

"security mom" is a media myth, btw.

[DefenseLawyer]

65. To me it is less about directly

hurting Kerry with voters and more about controlling the news cycle.

[Fluffdaddy]

55. Thank You

[omnithrope]

56. She's not running, so I could care less what she says.

nt

[Doohickie]

61. You could care less, but consider

all the people who hated Clinton because they didn't like Hillary.

[omnithrope]

71. I don't care about them either...

*shrug*
Everyone's entitled to their own stupid opinion... even me.

[shelley806]

58. so tempted to agree; be more careful buttttt

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

The media should tone it down

[Beaverhausen]

68. The comment didn't bother Laura- why does it bother you?

Gordon Johndroe, a spokesman for Mrs. Bush, said the first lady was not upset by the comments.

"Mrs. Bush knows it's not always easy when your husband runs for president," Johndroe said. "She knows that some days there's lots of interviews where lots of things are said, and knows that everyone looks forward to Nov. 2 coming around."

[bagnana]

74. well that was a classy response.

I think if you are going to criticize someone you should be right about it. That's all. I agree with most of the things she says, including her saying "shove it" to a reporter -- he deserved it.

[evilqueen]

72. I'm not going to be the one to tell her to tone it down. Are you?

LOL

I like her feisty self just the way it is.

[Blue Moon]

76. You're missing the point

Her comments DO NOT help Kerry. They hurt his chances. I'll tell her: HEY TERESA, SHUT UP UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTIONS, OK?

[evilqueen]

79. So, just who do you think she should pander to...

the theatrical media spin whores? Ha!

[Blue Moon]

80. What I care about

I have my eyes on the prize and care about winning. How about you?

[Blue Moon]

88. And now she apologizes!

And now I've read that she has apologized for her remark. She should have played it smart and kept her mouth shut. This does absolutley no good at all.

[janx]

102. I adore Teresa Heinz Kerry. She is a hard working, class-act

woman with a beautiful and intelligent mind.

[Kahuna]

77. Long ago.

nt

[FredScuttle]

81. NO

the people who are agitated by Theresa's comments are not going to vote for Kerry anyway. And, if there are undecided voters who are going to be persuaded finally to pick a side based solely on this comment....well they are too fucking stupid to warrant any concern from me.

[sontec]

82. "Do No Harm"

Rule #1 for people close to the candidate.
This late in the game she shouldn't be
part of the news...

[onecent]

84. This is probably a diversion...hell...now they have something to chew

on besides Lesbians.....

When John Kerry is elected President there needs to be something done about media reform!

[CBHagman]

86. Michael Moore was right about the role of first lady.

Referring to all the famous cookie competitions, "Downsize This!" he said he looked forward to a time when the first lady wouldn't have to bake anything but the dead brain matter of any guy who called on her to perform such stunts in the first place.

The only thing you have to do to get vilified by the GOP is have a D after your name or be in any fashion connected to a person with a D after his or her name. Anything and anybody is fair game. Just consider the stupid way the RNC mocked John Kerry's purple hearts.

And note the increasingly puerile and boorish behavior of Lynne and Dick Cheney, yet there's no mass vilification of them in the press or in their own party. IT'S OKAY IF YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN. Everything is fine for them -- satanic rituals, dog-kicking, the works.

Ms. T. should just be herself, take care of herself, and keep praying and fighting. She'll do fine.

[Zomby Woof]

87. fuck no

Fuck caution. Fuck the repukes. Nothing came of her hurricane/naked comment, so fuck your idea.

[Cha]

89. Do the fuckin' bushes apologize for

what they do? ..Hell No!

[phish420]

90. Absolutely not

She was apologetic on her mistatement, but she can be all she wants to be. People are taking this election way to seriously to vote for first lady.

[helpisontheway]

91. YES

They need to hide her again. She is a fabulous lady. I love the fact that she speaks her mind. HOWEVER, that can be a turn-off to many people. ESPECIALLY the comment she made in the article about Laura not have a real job. I know many stay at home moms (including myself) that would not like that comment. Anyway, overall I do think she is an asset. However, the last two weeks are crucial. If the media gets a hold of something and spins it the wrong way we could really influence those that are leaning one way or another. So even though she probably did not mean it the way it sounded, I think she should keep a low profile in the home stretch. I also think it was a mistake for Mrs. Edwards to come out and say Mrs. Cheney must be ashamed of her daughter. Although I do think it was the truth she should have let it go because the media was already making a big deal out of nothing.

[Iceburg]

92. Surely, you jest

[Blue Moon]

93. Don't fall into the trap

Just because someone is on our side, we should not fall into the trap that anything they say or do is defensible or excusable. That is not how elections are won. We need to play it smart.

[newsguyatl]

94. yes

i've always been afraid she'll fuck it up for kerry just weeks before the election.

i like her fine, but she needs to stay out of sight and out of mind until after the election.

sorry folks, that's just the way it is.

[sonicx]

105. with all of John's gaffes

he's given RWers plenty of ammo all by himself (global test).

[DefenseLawyer]

113. What exactly

is your point?

[newsguyatl]

123. what was wrong with the global test?

only freepers thought it was a gaffe. hmm.

[GreggDem]

95. She should shut the F up

Kerry/Edwards are doing some much good work and getting to win the Whi,Theresa should keep quiet and not give any more fodder to RW talkback radio etc.

[sandersadu]

97. SHUT up

Plus having Theresa "pop off at the mouth" feeds the MEME that "Kerry is effeminate, a girly man, and lets her walk all over him."

Bottom line, it's not helpful. She really needs to check herself. This is not about her, it's about Kerry. Sometimes it's OK to politely decline to speak to a reporter.

Anything that doesn't help, hurts.

[GreggDem]

100. We dont need this.

Imagine all the Hard work put in my Kerry/Edwards and a whole lot of
Democrats and staff all across the country,then Therazah comes in and creates a newsitem foe the sake of it.

[sonicx]

104. like the way John did when he refered to Cheney's daughter?

[A-Schwarzenegger]

107. Why do you keep shooting Kerry in the foot

in defense of his wife? Try a new tack.

[GreggDem]

109. Sorry

I was posting in a Conservative bulletin defending her and just got the hang of it.

[sonicx]

111. cuz they did the same thing but

Teresa is the one that should "keep quiet." i don't like the double standard.

btw, I don't think John was wrong with the Mary Cheney thing, but it was a big distraction. nice little gift for the RW media.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

117. You're sending double mexed missages.

[sonicx]

118. Nope, I had no problem with the Cheney thing but

America thinks talking about gays is inappropriate. Kerry overestimated them and thought they could talk about it like adults. He was wrong.

[GreggDem]

112. We are beyond those

The 2 weeks before the election are critical and it important that we make no mistakes.

[sonicx]

115. right

so John should be careful.

[janx]

106. Why do you spell her name that way?

?

[GreggDem]

114. Sorry

Sorry ,I just defended her in a Conservative board and just got the hang of it.

[secular_warrior]

98. Yes - she does NOT play well in middle America

which are exactly the type of places we need (Ohio especially).

She has too much of the attitude: "I'm going to say whatever I want and to hell with how if affects anyone else," which tends to come across as very aristocratic. There is so much at stake here in this election. I like Teresa but she has to be more careful.

And to the folks who will reply with, "Well, Kerry and Edwards do it, why can't she ?" She's not the candidate, they are.

ps. Elizabeth Edwards does a much better job out there.

[janx]

103. I was born and raised in St. Louis, Missouri--and she plays

very well with me, thanks.

[sandersadu]

108. EE

I agree about Elizabeth Edwards. THK should follow her lead. Simply put, THK doesn't "play well in Peoria" No other way to say it. The less she's the story, the better.

[vetwife]

116. Why can't people just be who they are? Honesty too alien for the pundits?

I like to know where a person stands and how they think instead of smiling while they are stabbing one in the back. The woman is not from this country and maybe how she says things is not how they are perceived but she has a mind and a mouth and used them both very well ! IN 5 languages ! An apology is not good enough ! Kissing her ass would not be good enough. THK is just fine in my book. Remember Laura is the one who thinks the SB ads are OK, stemcell research is bad and does not have a thought in her head and kids who are clearly not as well mannered as the Kerrys or Heinz kids. If it were me they would already have me nailed to the cross and cruicified !

[Forkboy]

120. Hell no