What's with all the pro-Lieberman messages tonight?

[Bonobo]

Just wondering cause I despise the man...(full disclosure)

[Brian_Expat]

1. I used to support Dean. . .

. . . but I've thought long and hard about what four more years of Bush would mean for our country. I took another look at Joe's platform, my own priorities, and compared them to Bush. I decided Joe is the only electable candidate and I encourage Democrats to rally around him to topple the Bush administration in 2004.

A lot of other former Dean supporters are behind me on this.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

4. so you're for school vouchers?

You're for the unjustified Iraqi war? Dang if you want another reublican in the white house why don't you just vote for George Bush. If Joe Lieberman is nominated I'm either not voting or voting Dean. And I'm in a contentious state, Washington state.

[Brian_Expat]

17. I am focused on beating Bush.

So far, only Joe Lieberman has demonstrated he has the platform, experience and know-how to do that.

[janx]

40. This is terribly disappointing. That's all I can say.

x(

[KissMyAsscroft]

5. I seriously doubt that Brian Ex-Pat.

I have yet to meet a Dean supporter who even likes Lieberman, but hey....he's not getting the nomination so have a nice evening.

[w13rd0]

22. Why should I believe in the veracity and honesty...

...of your "conversion story" anymoreso than any of the other goofy ass conversion stories we've seen on this boards? You can drive your post count up all you want, but I have a hard time believing that you ever got the bumper sticker. You have to put a persons comments and statements in context of all of their statements, and their history, to create a clear picture. Granted, Lieberman has been a centrist Democrat, consistently, for longer than I've been voting (longer than I've been a Democrat, certainly), but that doesn't mean he's the man for the job.

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[Feanorcurufinwe]

71. Finally something you and I agree on, w13rd0

Actually I doubt there is anyone here who believes this bullshit.

[janx]

35. Oh my God Brian, not you too!

What is going on around here? First Walt and now you?

I'm terribly disappointed.

Terribly, terribly disappointed. This makes no sense at all.

I am astounded and cannot believe my eyes. That is all I have to say.
x(

[Crunchy Frog]

65. Hi janx,

it's just a little "cuteness" going on. Nothing to worry about.

[goobergunch]

52. Oh dear.

Lieberman is unelectable. He completely turns off the base, and that's the strategy we need IMHO to win in 2004.

:eyes:

[KissMyAsscroft]

2. Disruptors Disrupting.

I believe there are some very long term trolls here that are all working together trying to disrupt the forum.

They are very careful not to get banned, and they probably even donated five bucks to make it look good. I have seen posts on Freak Republic bragging that they are disrupting DU and their posts number in the thousands. I know the mods are on top of it.

I'm not saying that there aren't legitimate Lieberman supporters, but all of them at once indicates that they are just disruptors.

What a pathetic life these people lead.

[zulchzulu]

7. Hey, it's comedy

I always thought Joe could do a gig in the Catskills if things don't work out.

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[zulchzulu]

24. Woody Allen started in the Catskills, sorta...so maybe...

I could see Joe directing comedies and writing some cool movies about the Senate. I'm guessing he can dance too.

[hellhathnofury]

32. Damn straight he can dance!

Joe could do great things in a film career, after being elected to two terms of course.

[zulchzulu]

49. I must admit I've never seen him dance. But Monty Hall endorsed him

Wait! I bet he dances. If he knows Monty, you know some wild stuff happens.




http://vote-smart.org/endorsements.php?can_id=S0141103

[Dookus]

3. it's a cabal of people

who are mocking a sincere thread earlier today in which somebody said they'd switched their allegiance to another candidate.

A number of their threads were locked, but they're still continuing the charade.

It stems from a total lack of respect for this site, its admins and mods, and its members.

They believe that barring unanimous support of their chosen candidate, they have the right to disrupt this forum to their hearts' content.

It's childish, petulant and extremely counter-productive. In ATA, Skinner has already stated that new rules will soon be proposed that will put an end to this kind of nonsense, so I hope they enjoy it while they can.

[Sean Reynolds]

10. Oh be nice and join the Joe-movement!

[hellhathnofury]

14. Even if your against Joe now,

he's still going to need your vote in 2004 to get Shrubya out. Go Joe!

[PROGRESSIVE1]

43. He is the only one of the nine that I am not sure about voting....

for. I do not care for his uber-hawk stances!

ABBL

[PatGund]

56. If it comes to that

If Lieberman gets the nomination, I'll hold my nose and vote for him. But he's far from my first choice - and while he's better than Bush, there are at 8 better choices for Democratic nominee than he is.

[LuminousX]

15. So you are saying no one can honestly support Lieberman?

Wow.

[EllieDem]

18. I think Lieberman supporters have been afraid to come out of

the closet until now. I'm new but I've been visiting the site for quite awhile. Remember this was a guy who we were totally supporting for Vice President just 3 years ago. Its hard to say we're pissed Gore lost if we're going to trash Lieberman today.

[janx]

59. I can see your points, but I cannot BELIEVE that these

guys are trashing Dean by this sudden switch, and I find the whole thing personally, really personally offensive. x(

And that is all I can say for now.

[Crunchy Frog]

68. Janx, it's only a "cute" little prank.

I agree that it is childish, but it does not mean that people are abandoning Dean for Lieberman. Please don't let it bug you.(would put a smiley here, but the DU site is too uncooperative right now.)

[Crunchy Frog]

67. Hey, not me

I voted for Nader last time. I'm pissed that the election was stolen from Gore, but I'm certainly not heartbroken that Lieberman isn't VP.

[Bonobo]

28. Wow...I think you're right and that sucks...

Last month you couldn't FIND a Lieberman supporter and now they are assaulting this forum (and typing quickly methinks from the number of posts)

[JaneQPublic]

29. "new rules will soon be proposed...

...that will put an end to this kind of nonsense."

You mean supporting Lieberman won't be allowed?

That's hardly fair.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

30. Have you noticed that these.....

Pro-Lieberman threads only have comments from "blind" supporters of him. I mean, the people who support him do NOT admit that he has flaws. Supporters of the other eight candidates have admited that their candidate has flaws. I must concur, they are "childish"!

Wes Clark 04' :dem:

[hellhathnofury]

36. See post 20!

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[janx]

54. I don't know if I could do that. I see their points, I mean, but

I just don't know if I could do that.

It is true that a lot of us voted for Gore/Lieberman and got our votes ripped off, but I am so terribly disappointed with people whose WORDS I TOOK FOR TRUTH have completely fooled me and ridiculed me by their recent actions (I'm NOT naming names, note that) but I am so completely disgusted that I could have been so misled by some people (and again I am NOT naming names) with whom I conversed on the board and via PM for so long.

Just think about that. Just think about what it means to have that kind of friendship and comraderie with people and then they stab you in the back! What kind of charade was their "support" for Dean, anyway? What kind of low-rent, turd-like charade was that?!

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[JVS]

16. I don't think that Joe would approve of the term "you silly"

Remember that we are to love our neighbors as ourselves! Actually, that is a Christian maxim, but I am sure that our candidate would have no problem with it. It expresses the hope and promise that is America!

[Sean Reynolds]

26. I'm so sorry. Do you think Joe will ever forgive me?

I haven't hurt the campaign have I?

[JVS]

31. I think you should edit it. I also think that you should apologize for...

being hostile. Only if we behave in a morally upright manner will our support for Lieberman be taken seriously.

[Sean Reynolds]

37. You're so right.

I feel SO bad right now.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

8. Two words: National Security.

[Sean Reynolds]

12. OMG that pic brings a tear to my eye.

Joe is SO BRAVE!

JOE 2004!

[janx]

57. Joe and the soldier--I have to admit it chokes me up too, a little,

but I CANNOT BELIEVE that you guys would be so duplicitous as to do such a thing and switch when I had been trading emails and PMs and posts with you guys and you were working so hard and now you just TRASHED EVERYTHING!

What do you think this is going to do to the Dean campaign, now that you are posting these messages about Joe on this highly public message board that Rush Limbaugh looks at?

Everybody knows how this place can affect the publicity of a candidate and you guys are now just trashing the whole Dean Idea and going off and supporting Joe.

[Melsky]

21. this is not funny

why can't I stop laughing, MUST stop laughing.

[hellhathnofury]

27. That's closer to a soldier than Shrub has ever gotten.

This man is a great American.

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[killbotfactory]

9. Joe's gotten a bum rap here, but he's a good guy

He neutralizes Bush on defense and family values, and he's already beaten Bush once.

Bush even says he fears Lieberman the most!

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[hellhathnofury]

20. Why are you criticizing this man's opinion?

Joe has his merits and his flaws like everyone else.

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[Brian_Expat]

25. The utter contempt for Lieberman is stunning

But it won't win the election for your candidate.

Many of us have carefully reconsidered our votes and are casting them appropriately. Someone who is supporting a candidate new to the Party should not attack someone with decades of prominence in our party and his supporters, regardless of who they have supported in the past.

[EllieDem]

33. I'm not saying I'm voting for Lieberman

I haven't made up my mind, but I do think he gets a bum rap in here. Remember you would be calling him Mr Vice President if not for the fiasco in Florida.

[LuminousX]

34. Interesting approach...

Do you really think this is disrespecting the owner/admins/mods?

Alert the posts that you think that are disrespectful if you have such a concern. Allow the mods to decide.

[JVS]

51. I find this very mystifying!

For weeks supporters of candidates other than Dean, including you, have posted lots of information about Howard Dean. It is thanks to this tireless effort on their and your part that many Dean supporters have seen the ugly truth about Dean's candidacy and become better informed about politics in general. The racism, the angry incivility, the moral weakness, the constant making of gaffes, all of these have been brought to light. Do you expect us to keep on supporting this failed candidacy even after the folly of our ways has been made so clear? Nay, that cannot be the case! For many of us the love we once felt for Dean has been revealed as a foul abomination. We cannot continue with our old destructive ways, instead we must look towards the future. The Dean/Clark war is over! We have capitulated. Now I must ask you to be more gracious in victory than to accuse us of mockery.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

19. Just people being silly. Most of 'em are really Dean supporters...

n/t

[Dookus]

38. it's beyond being silly

they're disrupting the forum in a deliberate, coordinated effort.

They've had a bunch of threads locked, so now they're infiltrating every other thread.

They know they're lying. I know they're lying. The admins and mods know they're lying. Anybody who's been here a week knows they're lying.

They're deliberately showing contempt for this board, its owners and its members.

And yes, they're all Dean supporters.

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[Dookus]

53. just wait and see

[RevolutionStartsNow]

55. Wait and see what?

How is it possible to know for sure if someone is sincere about changing their candidate? I've seen a lot of "changed my mind" posts on this forum, and I doubt that half of them are real.

On the Dean blog, we get Clark supporters and general disruptors (pun intended) telling us every day that they've "seen the light" and switched to Clark. Yeah right.

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[LuminousX]

66. And then you'll be fucked.

And that is the goal isn't it? It isn't about defending the honor of DU, it is about getting someone 'fucked.'

Power trip much?

[RevolutionStartsNow]

70. "...you'll be fucked. And I'll smile."

Uh, thanks?

I didn't find a clever way around any rules, I don't know what you are talking about.

I am not a Lieberman supporter, I'm a Dean supporter, and I think it's ridiculous to assume that because someone has switched to Joe or any other candidate, they must be "skirting the rules".

I'm not doing anything, not sure why you are attacking me. I'm just pointing out that some or all of these new Lieberman supporters may be actual Lieberman supporters, and to silence them would be very wrong.

[Bonobo]

44. Hateful.

Acting like hooligans at a soccer game. I wish they would get some class or grow up or something. Anyway, go to the Lounge and play footsies over there, okay?

[LuminousX]

46. Contempt

1. The feeling or attitude of regarding someone or something as inferior, base, or worthless; scorn.
2. The state of being despised or dishonored; disgrace.
3. Open disrespect or willful disobedience of the authority of a court of law or legislative body.

Hmmmm... how are is this board being considered inferior or scorned, despised or dishonored? How is supporting Joe disrespectful?

I am thrown by the locked threads. If I were to post a thread of Clark GLBT stance, would it get locked?

That's okay. I'm a Dean guy, all the way, unless he falters and then I will have to support someone.

[LuminousX]

42. Is it silly to consider Lieberman for President?

He's not my guy, but I have been persuaded to investigate Joe more thoroughly. As I say, Dean first, but if Dean falls in Iowa and New Hampshire, I may have to make the pragmatic choice and that choice is someone who has faced Bush once before in electoral combat. Joe is that man.

I did a month long analysis of who I considered eligible candidates (eligibility defined by a specific criteria) Clark wasn't eligible but because of his extensive support I had to consider him and though Joe was eligible, I nixed him because of his lack of support. I didn't give Joe a fair chance. Now, five days before the first caucus, I owe it to myself and Lieberman to take a closer look.

Joe before Clark, that's for certain. If Dean falters, Joe may take up the torch.

[zulchzulu]

39. I didn't realize Joe (a Pisces) didn't have any pets...oh well...

Fun Facts:

Articles or Books Written by the Candidate:
'In Praise of Public Life', with Michale D'Orso
'Legacy: Connecticut Politics 1930-1980'
'Child Support in America: Practical Advice for Negotiating and Collecting a Fair Settlement'
'An Amazing Adventure: Joe and Hadassah's Personal Notes on the 2000 Campaign', with Hadassah Lieberman
'The Scorpian and the Tarantula'
'The Power Broker,' 1966
'The Legacy,' 1981
'Child Support in America,' 1986.

Books about the Candidate:
'Joseph Lieberman: Keeping the Faith', by Barbara Feinberg
'Joe Liberman: The Historic Choice', by Stephen Singular, et al.

Favorites:
Favorite President: 'John F. Kennedy was the animating, central inspiring influence in my political life. And I associate him with a muscular, internationalist foreign policy and with a pro-growth, pro-business economic policy,' Lieberman said in an article published in 'The New York Times.'

Favorite Book: The Bible.

Pets:
No pets.

Hobbies or Special Talents:
Lieberman enjoys singing, basketball, baseball (Yankees fan) and running.

Nicknames:
Joe, 'Conscience of the Senate.'

Astrological Sign:
Pisces

http://vote-smart.org/election_president_fun_facts.php?can_id=S0141103

[beaconess]

50. Maybe both of his supporters got their computers hooked up today.

:spank: <naughty Beaconess! Bad girl!>

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[Duder]

60. It's kind of a refreshing change...

...from the usual political distortions and flames perpetuated.

[Crunchy Frog]

61. I want to thank all of the Dean supporters

for your openness and honesty in showing your true ideological bents. I have to confess that of all the Dems running for the nomination, Lieberman was the only one who i would not have voted for. I have always trusted the honesty and sincerity of the Dean supporters, even when I've disagreed with them on choice of candidate. So I thank you for demonstrating for me just how close Dean truly is to Lieberman, and how much true affinity so many Dean supporters have for Lieberman's vision for America.

I had been planning on wholeheartedly supporting Dean if he got the nomination, but you all have forced me to reconsider. I will not and can not support or vote for someone so ideologically close to Lieberman, nor can I align myself with people whose vision for this country is so close to Lieberman's vision.

I once again applaud you for your honesty, you have just helped me to make a really tough descision. Thank you.

[Kat45]

62. I was wondering that myself.

Up until tonight, I've rarely seen anything positive said about the man.

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[janx]

69. I still cannot believe this. After all of the work, the campaigning,

the MeetUps, the signs, the phone calls, the tabling, the leafleting; after EVERY SINGLE DAMN THING, I cannot believe you guys would do this.

x(

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[janx]

74. But we agreed. And we put up with the Dean bashing.

And we worked so DAMNED HARD!

:cry:

[Tom Rinaldo]

73. I give it until 10 A.M.

Then there will be the big revelation. The Absolute Proof of how easy it really was for backers of another candidate (Hint: Last name does not begin with the letter "D" but with a letter that is very close to "D") to flood DU with coordinated messages and threads, creating a false impression of that candidate's degree of support and momentum.

The thing is though, the only group of DU'ers I've seen who are both willing and able to actually act in this type of coordinated, even orchestrated manner, actually are backing a DIFFERENT candidate (Hint: Last name does not begin with the letter "C" but with a letter that is very close to "C"). That's my revelation, and I give it until about 10 A.M. for the Absolute Proof of that to be revealed lol.

[Cooley Hurd]

75. Send in those soulful and doleful...

...schmotes by the Joe-ful... clowns! Hey - both Joe & Krusty are Jews! Another + for Joe!

Seriously, you guys are cracking me up tonight!
To those protesting the "protesters," just put the threads & posters on ignore. Why get bent out of shape about it? :shrug:

[Moderator]

76. Locking....

This has become inflammatory, and is a continuation of several other threads.

Thanks,

DU Moderator