A drunken partisan's view on things here in GD2004

[WilliamPitt]

First of all, I am not as think as you drunk I am. We'll leave that for later.

Second of all, what is wrong with you? Don't you get it? Can't you see the future? I can see the future, and it smells like blood. It smells like the blood of brothers and sisters, the same blood that has been sprayed all over this forum like some grisly fountain. Fight your asses off - God knows I'd be in here ripping your guts out if it didn't put my job at risk - but at the end of things, remember: If you find yourself screaming in rage at someone who agrees with you on 97% of the issues, you just might be a fanatic, which means you suck by definition. Period.

Lastly, and firstly, and third, there has been a lot of puling about 'loyalty oaths' in this forum, mostly because Clark partisans ask Dean partisans if they'll vote for the Dem candidate, and Dean partisans ask Kerry and Clark people if they will vote for the Dem candidate, and bla bla asks bla bla if they will vote for the Dem candidate. And everyone else gets all like HOW DARE YOU QUESTION MY LOYALTY or I'M SO SICK OF THIS QUESTION or whatever.

Suck it up. I'll slap you in the head with a 'loyalty oath' twelve times a day, because it matters that much. I don't give a stinking fetid dingo's kidney who your candidate is. Really, I don't. I've had the privilege to speak to a bunch of these guys, and will hit the rest of them before I'm done, and they all rock. I passed through my partisan stage, and got over it, and now I just want to win.

Why do you, yes you, yes you, you dumb asshole, you, need to be whapped with loyalty oaths now and again?



He's coming for your dumb fucking asses. Believe it. Believe it like you've never believed in anything in your lives.

One of these cats is gonna be the nominee. They're going to need our help. What are your plans for the next nine months? I know what mine are.

Finally, do it because I said so. That's right. Because I said so. I've poured my fucking guts out all across this country, I've writen probably close to 1,000,000 words in the last three years, and all of it has been to one end - to beat this clown. I'm pulling fucking rank. If any of you think you can step to me and go cred to cred, try it, and see how it feels to be buried. No, no, no, I have spent too much of myself in this cause. Fuck this up, and you will answer to me, and I will leave you bled out by the side of some highway next to a tire fragment. I dare you to test me.

Have I mentioned that I have been drinking?

Seriously, though. Look outside the partisan warfield. Be smart. be ready. Sign the fucking oath.

[Dookus]

1. no oath here....

the fojo brigade has ensured that I will not support a certain candidate no matter what. I was only dissatisfied with him before... now I hate him.

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[Dookus]

7. well I still like you

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[Dookus]

15. well, drunk or not,

you really ought to follow the rules.

Get some sleep.

[liberalnurse]

25. Way to go William.....

Drunk or not, your on a fine roll......Keep it up. :bounce:

[Hoppin_Mad]

9. Good to know - I'll vote for the nominee - Period -eom-

[RafterMan]

18. Dookus

There is a candidate I have an extreme dislike for. Should this candidate win, I have vowed to do everything possible to help this candidate to win my vote.

Including:

1) Steer clear of Internet forums where I may encounter offensive supporters
2) Read the candidate's speeches and position papers in full, so I am not misled by selective quoting
3) Avoid seeing personal or televised appearances by the candidate, so I am not turned off by his abrasive personality
4) Remember the Supreme Court
5) Dissemble heavily.

It's short of a loyalty oath: can I get the same promise from you?

[tedoll78]

37. A very intelligent post.

I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE your #4!

Whenever I have trouble holding my nose in the voting booth, I remember that we are, in effect, electing two or three new Supreme Court justices. That always makes the decision mure more palatable.

[frank frankly]

22. you can't mean that, dookus

gawd, to hear that from a poster like you makes me sad. this is why i never venture into this forum.

you'll be on our side, no matter the candidate...i hope.

your posts are excellent....

[aldian159]

27. You don't have to love the guy

just vote for him.

Fortunetly I love, or at least like, all 9 people.

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[slinkerwink]

3. I'm sick of loyalty oaths

;-)

Besides, have another :toast: on me....

[sandnsea]

4. The Supreme Court

I will fight with everything I've got because we've got to get our own judges on the Supreme Court. For that reason alone, I can campaign for any Democrat. There's alot more at stake and I don't believe every Democrat is equally able to solve the problems and I certainly don't believe every one of them would solve them in a way that I see as valuing traditional Democratic principles.

But when it comes to the Supreme Court, and the lower courts, I know we must have a Democrat in office.

So, Will, you have my word.

Now put down the bottle and go to bed. Because I said so, that's why.

[windansea]

5. seriously

ya think anybody wants a piece of us??

heh heh....drink up warrior!!

[silverweb]

6. Once again, Will...

...your way with words has just the right impact. I don't always agree with your opinions 100%, but I'm with you on this one all the way.

Thanks for the reminder everyone needs.

Now lets get rid of the BFEE and all its evil minions!

:yourock:

[shance]

8. Alcohol can be a great thing......

Brings out the true heart in our being (not to mention our words).

Thanks WP**

What you have said is true. I think we are all compelled to defend our candidates and I will continue to defend them all when necessary and do my best not to attack any other candidate, (unless I believe warranted*)because in truth I believe the candidates are all good people.

We do need to be as supportive as possible, and yes, at times its hard when we are met by those who continuously attack our favored candidate, but one thing I do believe, the more we support and defend all Democratic candidates, the more we will see quality people running for other Democratic positions.

We have got to protect the good people on this planet and we have to protect our own.

We need to support those running and yes, at times we need an objective, realistic eye so we can choose the most viable candidate overall.

However, its exhausting and overwhelming enough to go through the election process without having our own attacking each other.

There are 9 candidates that have been gutsy enough to put themselves on the line and run for president. How many of us are putting our selves out there to run?

More than anything I am compelled to defend this nation, which means fairly defending those who are trying to improve the country and put it back on track.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

10. I will vote for the Dem nominee

however I reserve the right to continue bitching whenever asked to take a loyalty oath.

[sleipnir]

11. Though,I think that ABB is a dangerous pre-Primary assumption, BUT

It suggests that we will accept any clown at this point in the game, just as long as they're not Bush. I don't agree with that, at this point, being pre-primary. I think we should put our best warrior forward and the ABB mentality right now is deadly to our party. I fear it may cause us to accept a mediocre and a possibly incompatible candidate, based solely on the fact that "Hey, at least he's/she's not Bush..."

ABB takes on a whole new meaning once the candidate is selected by our democratic process. At that point, yes, you can now count me in as ABB (to varying degrees..example Dean would get me more fired up than say Gephardt, thus I'd be more likely to work my ass off for Dean and donate money to him, but I won't ignore Gep if he does work the nod)

I think that the in-fighting may cause our downfall, but then again, DU probably accurately represents about .5% of the voting public, so really, who cares what's posted here, it's not the real world.

[WilliamPitt]

13. S'OK

It's March. The race has become a bloodbath. Any candidate who emerges will do so badly, badly damaged. Sound like DU? It isn't. It's the world.

[sleipnir]

19. I see your point Will, but really how much does the average citz hear?

We read each article, each speech by each candidate every day. The average voter doesn't. Hence, I think that the in-fighting is bad but it's not irreparable. Also, by March I think that we'll be down to 2 or 3 candidates, realistically, the nominee could even be selected by then. Sure it gives ammo to the right, but they'd find it anyway, the evil minions of orthodoxy can dig up anything and spin it.

The blood bath isn't the obvious to the common voter and come the real general election, it's not going to matter. Bush is going down and nothing is going to stop that. The Dems will unite (I hope) and realize that bickering will only bring our downfall.

Maybe this is just wishful thinking on my part, but I see an united Dem party, with a few minor exceptions, working to oust Bush in the Nov. election. And we will win!

[JVS]

16. I agree that ABB is a dangerous assumption

I'd like to add that ABB may be helping to foster the hostility that is hurting us. If ABB is followed that means that the optimum strategy is to wage as savage a war as possible during the primaries, because according to ABB you will get the support of the candidates you bludgeon to death. In a non-ABB environment one faction must act in a less agressive manner to the other factions to keep the unity.

[clarknyc]

14. Love ya, Will

So get some rest. We've a long, hard struggle ahead of us.

And yeah, as a Dean guy, I've said to you before --- I hate the whole loyalty oath thing --- but I'm ABB all the way!

[Melodybe]

17. ABB I will campaign for the nominee PERIOD

[frank frankly]

20. keep fighting, Will

my plans for the next 9 months are to do everything i can to get rid of these evil thugs...no matter the candidate.

and i think you might be smashed-drunk this fine january eve and it's fun to read. i'll be blazing after work myself.

keep on, brother
ff

[lazarus]

21. About that picture

It appears to be flashing in and out due to the original site's bandwidth. You can link to mine, if you like.

[burning bush]

23. Sober Up, Or (on the chance you're faking) Get real

because I really don't give a damn what you think I should do, Will Pitt.

So you sold a bazillion books? Congratulations. I'm impressed. If I ever need advise getting published, I know you're there.

Otherwise, I don't know you, don't read you (except for your occasional ego rant here at DU), and don't care much about your admittedly wonderful credentials.

You don't have any rank to pull on me, you can't bury me, and I answer only to myself and the big invisible guy in the sky, not to you. Take your rant down to the AA office, or not. I'm not convinced that you're drunk, but who cares, ultimately.

Oh, by the way, fuck your oath. :)

I have my own oath. In the GE, I'll vote for any DEM that's not a covert neocon. Its a serious oath, and YOU should sign it. With all you know, you should be the first in line.

You are not the only person who is serious about beating Bush, Pitt. Not by a long shot.

[bitchkitty]

24. My dos pesos -

Loyalty oaths are annoying, because anyone who has even half a brain knows that Satan would be preferable against Bush. Hell, Clinton's dog Buddy would be preferable, and he's dead.

I suppose they're useful for ferreting out those who have an agenda other than to get Bush out.

[Tatiana]

26. What the hell have we become?

I read some of the threads on this board, some of the responses in this post and I ask myself that question.

What the fucking hell have we become?

How fucking immature and childish is it to base one's opinion of a candidate on their supporters? All the candidates have nutbars in their camp. So fucking what. How about we listen to the policies of the candidates and where they stand on the issues?

Any doormat with a D beside his or her name in a General Election is better than Bush. Think Clark is a "neocon?" If he's all that's left standing in the GE, can you honestly say to yourselves he'll be WORSE than Bush? It doesn't get any worse, folks. Not Nixon, not Reagan come close to the corruption and disregard for all the American principles of democracy we hold dear... no, Bush is alone in that regard.

Think Dean is a raging, out-of-control, charlatan? If he's all that's left standing in the GE, can you honestly say to yourselves he'll be WORSE than Bush? EVERYONE is BETTER THAN BUSH! Kerry, Dean, Clark, Kucinich, Edwards, and Lieberman (YES, LIEBERMAN! Check his VOTING RECORD on liberal issues... it's a lot higher than some self-professed "liberals" in our party) are ALL better than 4 more years of Bush!

WTF is up with this Nader mentality??? Dean is NOT the same as Bush, Clark is NOT the same as Bush, Kerry does NOT equal Bush anymore than Gore equaled Bush. There are distinct differences in policy, record, and principles regarding any of the Democratic candidates versus Bush. To pretend otherwise is stupid, childish, and a threat to the state of our union.

Excuse the profanity, but I thought we were the party who wanted our fucking votes counted.

[burning bush]

28. I was ABB for a LONG Time

But the more I find out about one paticular candidate, the more I fear him. He's associations with the Neocons disqualify him, for the same reasons Bush is disqualified. I'm not talking about some Ralph Nader-ish stretch comparing Bush and Gore, I'm talking about a candidate who, from all the research I've seen, appears to be a mole, presented to us to give us the illusion of choice, the illusion of freedom from Bush.

I used to joke that I would vote for anyone but Bush or Lieberman, but it WAS a joke. I'll vote for Lieberman in a heartbet over Bush, and any Dem candidate, except for "The One."

If The One gets the nomination, I DONT know how I'll handle it. I obviously won't vote for Bush, and I won't join any write in campaigns for my favorite Dem, because he doesn't deserve to be labled a spoiler. I just can't vote for a man who I see to be just as dangerous to this country as George Bush. I don't oppose him because I think he would lose to Bush. I oppose him because I think he might win, and that scares the hell out of me.

Rant, rave, call me every name in the damn book, and even insult my saintly, dead mother O8). It will roll offf my back like water off oil, and I'll still hold my head up proudly, doing in my soul what I know to be right, regardless of whether it is popular.

I will never, ever vote for "The One."

ABF
Anybody But Facists

[Tatiana]

29. It's your choice.

I would never insult you. You obviously feel very strongly about "The One."

But understand you are throwing away your vote. You're making it easier for Bush to be reelected/selected. What if all the Clark, Kerry, Lieberman, and Edwards supporters decided they could not vote for Dean because he was too angry or that he flip-flopped on the issues or that, God help us all, there's evidence to suggest he's to the RIGHT of LIEBERMAN!

Dean won't win without their support. And we'll have 4 more years of hell.

In fact, no Democratic nominee will be able to win without us being unified behind whomever the nominee is.

I'm very sorry you don't see that.

[burning bush]

32. You are Wrong , I DO See that

and I do NOT want Bush back for another 4 years.

But if Bush suddenly died, I would not want Cheney, either.

And If Rice ran, I would never vote for her, regardless what it would mean to this country to have a female/minority getr elected President.

Or if Powell switched to the Dem party, he would never get my vote.

It's not just about defeating Bush, its about defeating Neo-conservatism in America.

I don't oppose this candidate because I fear he may beat my candidate, I oppose him because I fear he may beat Bush. I feel that this would be the single most horrible thing that could happen to the Dem party, and would leave America exactly where she is today, but with a future more bleak than ever.

Imagine what George Bush would do if he had a sharp intelligence, and was not a puppet to his masters. Frightening, isn't it?

Frightening indeed, whether the canidate is Republican or not, or bears the name Bush or not.

Neoconservatism must be terminated, at any cost.

[Adjoran]

30. It amazes me

that some people will tear the repubs up: their foreign policy, domestic policy, tax policy - talking about how much we need a change, but then in the next breath threaten to take a hike if so-and-so wins or if they are mean to my guy, making shrubbie's reelection a done deal.

Some people think their candidate will beat * in a landslide. They must be smoking the good stuff.

The ONLY way we win this year is in a close election. The pubs have $200 million and counting to spend. We can only equal that with sweat. It will every volunteer from every campaign and a few new ones. It will take long hours and bad food and sleepless nights from a lot of people to overcome that amount of money.

If you walk away because your guy doesn't win, you may as well make a check out to you-know-who. Don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise for a single minute.

WP, you can write drunk, but you spell better sober!

[burning bush]

33. This Isn't Just About "My Guy" - It's About " My Team"

and I'll tell you that not everybody wearing our colors is playing for the same side.

If my guy doesnot win, I'll vote for any Dem on the ticket, except for One, because with every notion of my mind, with every beat of my heart, and with every measure of my soul, I believe that this candidate, who's name I am avoiding in the spirit of this ABB thread, whom I oppose is not playing for us, he is playing for the other team, and he is just as dangerous, if not more so, than the Chimp we feel united against.

Don't be fooled by that sense of unity.

Bush is NOT the evil we must defeat. That evil is neoconservatism, whatever hat it wears, whatever color it sports, and by whatever name it carries.

[Paragon]

34. Here's why everyone on this thread (except me, of course) is retarded:

1. You need a loyalty oath.
2. You need to see someone else sign a loyalty oath.
3. You post drunk.
4. You won't vote for a Democrat against Bush.
5. You actually believe I would make sweeping generalizations about your mental faculties.

[JNelson6563]

35. Tough talk

I'm pulling fucking rank. If any of you think you can step to me and go cred to cred, try it, and see how it feels to be buried.

Ready to take on a bunch of nobodies from an insignificant DB eh? Impressive. ;-)

In reality, I urge such talk, well maybe not in the tone you've chosen. I often wish, when someone brags about achieving great things for their candidate, what've ya done for the party?

This is where we are weak. We've getting like GOPers, me, me, mine, mine, me. MY candidate, MY candidate's campaing, Me, me, mine.

How about OUR party? OUR party's efforts to take back Congress? OUR party rallying behind the eventual nominee??

Many here remind me of newly married youths. Not quite used to thinking "us" or "ours" still caught up in "me" and "mine".

We are doomed to failure until we can evolve our mindset. So I guess I am agreeing with your sentiment without the alcohol or the bravado.

To victory in '04! :toast:

Julie

[Padraig18]

36. It's about our rights as sovereign people, folks.

This is NOT about Dean, Kerry, Kucinich or anyone else--- it's about 'THEM'. I'll go on record here and now as saying that I'll work my fingers to the bone to get a can of SPAM elected as POTUS next November, as long as that can has a (D) by its name on the ballot.

Anyone who isn't willing to do the same has obviously failed to understand the significance of what happened in the 2000 GE.

[Iverson]

38. you wanna mix it up, eh?

Does the one with the most sales get to be right, or the one with the longer publication list?

"I can see the future, and it smells like blood."

I'm with you there. That is exactly why I'm not signing on to empire: not PNAC empire and not kinder, gentler empire with a handful of technical objections.

If you want to come and get me, have at you then. That's assuming, of course, that I haven't been indefinitely detained before you arrive in Royal Oak, MI to do your bipartisan share.

I expect better from you, though.