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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:41 PM
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The Republican attack on Clark has begun..
Drudge

Republican National Committee

Frank Gaffney on CNBC Capitol Report

Just reported on on Capitol Report: Wes Clark is the Dem who Republicans fear most.
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jmaier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:43 PM
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1. Good
I like to raise the ire of the wingnut contingent. In an interesting sort of way it actually raises Wes Clark's stature.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:45 PM
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2. yay! It's about time.
Bring their asses ON. Clark's already warned what he'd beat out of 'em, and I'm sure there's plenty of it for him to beat on. Go, Wes, Go!!
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NeoConned Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:40 AM
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44. What's all the cheering about?
Clark got his head handed to him today by Drudge, Rove, and the RNC.
I've read what he said and it's a prescription for what Bush did 6 months after Clark said it.

He said:
"I think the first thing is you have a very strong determination that's out in public and supported by this body that says if we don't get the assistance we need from the United Nations, as a last resort we will use force and we will solve the problem ourselves."

Forgive me for not wanting to waste anymore time posting the rest of the stuff he said as it was all along the same lines. I mean, it was as if Clark was telling Bush what to do and then Bush did it.

If this is the first attack, it was a devastating one I would say. I don't know what everyone is so freaking jazzed about, Clark is roadkill now.

Did I step into the Pro-War area of DU without knowing it? Am I the only one who clearly sees how hypocritical and opportunistic Clark comes off in this?

Gimme some hope here people.
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 04:04 PM
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49. I don't know where you got that quote
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:45 PM
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3. We knew that, didn't we?
:)
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:47 PM
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4. Yes we did
But now everyone else is finding out...
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:47 PM
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5. No one can pretend Clark doesn't exist, those days are behind.
He's the only one who can beat Dean and the only one who can beat Bush.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:48 PM
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:57 PM
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16. Could you please explain to us exactly how
in an unamigous way, how is it a no lose situation for them?
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:02 PM
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21. Jump!
You have just been hit with a hit & run!
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:48 PM
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7. Let The Record Show That Lieberman & The NYTimes
Piled on.
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hellhathnofury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:50 PM
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9. Go Joe! Go liberal NYTimes!
It's about time. He skips debates now it's his turn.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:00 PM
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18. Clark Is The ONE Democrat Who Has Fingered The PNAC Plan
He is the only one who has laid responsiblity for 9/11 squarely at the feet of Bush.

This isn't a case of any gaffe or unclear statements.

This is Clark telling the Truth and the Republicans trying to squelch him.

Dean hasn't gone anywhere near where Clark has in exposing the filth that has siezed control of our Government and Military.
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hellhathnofury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:02 PM
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22. That's irrelevant to my post.
Good for Clark, still doesn't excuse his limited political record.

I don't give a crap. I'm tired of my guy getting all the heat while you get to be a "stealthy" candidatre.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:13 PM
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30. Stealth? He's Been Ignored, Dismissed Or Targeted Since Entering
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 10:28 PM by cryingshame
Example, For the first month or so Clark's name was prefaced with "Shelton".


But then "My family was so poor..." :)
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hellhathnofury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:39 PM
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35. He's had NH with Joe for the last 3 weeks.
Super stealthy, plus they've been ignoring him and he doesn't believe in debates apparently.
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:45 PM
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46. is there a debate between now and NH?
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 03:59 PM
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47. kick for the question
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:07 PM
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33. Right On! I forgot about that.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:48 PM
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:51 PM
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10. ah, that fickle liberal media
only a month ago they were saying this about Dean. :eyes:

Good luck, Clark supporters. They'll make it ugly. Don't forget who the media is - an extension of the right wing.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:52 PM
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11. They've been after him since he announced.
Back in november they were bashing him while Kristol pretended to be afraid of Dean, when Tweety was praising Deans physicality, when Russert was calling Dean unstopable, when FAUX was cscrolling that Dean was steamrolling the other candidates.

Clark has always bee Roves worst nightmare for obvious reasons. Expect these attacks to become increasingly frantic as Clark gains on Dean in NH.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:52 PM
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12. No Poop
Just saw it on Capital Report.

Repukes are after Clark BIG TIME!

By the way, I think Bush is a sissy.
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Clark4VotingRights Donating Member (795 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:53 PM
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13. And of course they're taking his quotes out of context to smear
Wes. They've been doing that for months. He needs to friggen carry
transcripts around with him. They tend to vindicate him when the
quote is seen *in context*.
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Exgeneral Donating Member (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:55 PM
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14. RNC Website attacks Clark's frontally
""Forget that only three years ago here in Little Rock, the General praised Ronald Reagan's Cold War actions and former President George Bush's foreign policy-at a Republican fundraiser! Forget that he voted for Presidents Nixon, Reagan and Bush. Just remember that in January 2002, he told Newsweek Magazine that he would have been a Republican “if Karl Rove had only returned my phone calls." You know, some people run for president because they hear a call. Apparently, Wesley Clark is running because he didn’t."

Lead article on Gillespies attack on the General.

http://www.rnc.org/
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:10 PM
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26. I find this funny.
They make themselves look bad.

It's sort of like saying "Why would anyone support us? Supporting us, even if it's just a little bit is a bad thing."

This is the worst they can say about Clark, that he voted for a couple of them years back and wished the current President well?

Idiots.

MzPip
:dem:
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:55 PM
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15. Well it's about damn time!
I guess that they were in denial for a while there but, so sorry to have to slap you back into reality Mr. Rove. WE ARE HERE.
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:59 PM
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17. I hear Etta James singing...
at laaaaaaaast...

:)
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:04 PM
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24. AAAAaaaaaaahahahahahahhaaa!
What beautiful music. :hi:
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funky_bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:09 PM
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25. Great song! n/t
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deminflorida Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:01 PM
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19. Attacks like that will only work on pretend to be outsiders....
Clark has a real string of garlic around his neck....know why?

He really is a Washington outsider, that's Why....

Pound for Pound, he'll hold up....

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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:01 PM
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20. Yeah, baby!
The RNC doesn't want anything to do with a Clark candidacy.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:03 PM
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23. Knew it was coming...he's been surging in the polls...Dean declining...
it's our turn. He can withstand it--of that I have no doubt.
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funky_bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:10 PM
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27. We only THOUGHT we knew
what the general was made of. Now the fun begins!
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:10 PM
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28. Here's one
Ed Gillespie, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, charged Thursday that retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark endorsed President Bush's policy toward Iraq two weeks before Congress voted to authorize Bush to go to war.

If true, that would contradict the core message of Clark's presidential campaign. The complete transcript of Clark's Sept. 26, 2002, testimony, however, reveals that Clark didn't endorse Bush's policy during the congressional hearing, and that the Republican charge is based on selected excerpts of his remarks.

Gillespie accurately quoted portions of Clark's testimony before the House Armed Services Committee in which Clark said he believed that Saddam Hussein possessed chemical and biological weapons and was seeking nuclear weapons. But the RNC chairman didn't mention that Clark also said America should work through the United Nations to seek a diplomatic solution and go to war only as a last resort.

Gillespie's speech, delivered in Clark's hometown of Little Rock, Ark., argued forcefully that Clark had endorsed Bush's policy toward Iraq in that congressional testimony and at other times. Gillespie apparently was contesting Clark's insistence that he consistently opposed Bush's war against Iraq - a stand Clark reiterated Thursday. "There was no stronger case made than that expert testimony, the testimony of General Wesley Clark," Gillespie concluded.


Source: Knight Ridder January 15 2004


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hellhathnofury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:12 PM
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29. Here's some of the speech:
http://www.rnc.org/

"RNC Chairman Ed Gillespie Remarks in Little Rock, AR


RNC Chairman Ed Gillespie

"Forget that only three years ago here in Little Rock, the General praised Ronald Reagan's Cold War actions and former President George Bush's foreign policy-at a Republican fundraiser! Forget that he voted for Presidents Nixon, Reagan and Bush. Just remember that in January 2002, he told Newsweek Magazine that he would have been a Republican “if Karl Rove had only returned my phone calls." You know, some people run for president because they hear a call. Apparently, Wesley Clark is running because he didn’t."
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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:24 PM
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32. It is about time
We will get to see what he is made of.
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hellhathnofury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:48 PM
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38. I'm waiting for the political neophyte to stumble.
My guess is that he's made of medals instead of mettle, but that's just my opinion.
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Lobo_13 Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:53 PM
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39. I'll bet you $10
that the media won't bother with making distinctions about what was said. They'll just glom onto whatever sells, and that will be whatever makes the candidate look bad.

Horse races sell.
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hellhathnofury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:08 AM
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42. Probably, but the Dean stuff has been getting pretty lame lately.
So it's Clarks turn, enjoy.

No bet.
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Lobo_13 Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:09 AM
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43. Dean supporter here
Just making an observation.
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jmaier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 01:44 AM
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45. Naturally
I disagree. I don't think Clark is going to stumble under attack. Though he might always make some verbal gaffe. Any of the candidates can with 24/7 talking and spotlight scrutiny. I'm amazed that they are as 'gaffe free' as they are under these circumstances.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:18 PM
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31. Guess they're not ignoring Clark anymore, eh?
:shrug:
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angee_is_mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:38 PM
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34. they are running scared
and that is good for us!!!!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:42 PM
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Lobo_13 Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:43 PM
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37. What made you think
the honeymoon was going to last forever? Hell, I'm surprised it took this long.

It has nothing to do with who fears whom, it has to do with Clark getting nearly within reach of Dean. That always invites increased scrutiny, and if there is something to scrutinize, they'll do so.
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Clark4VotingRights Donating Member (795 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:56 PM
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40. There's a difference between "scrutiny" and lying about a candidate
And they're lying about our candidates, as they lied about Gore.
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Lobo_13 Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:04 AM
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41. Not to the media
But I'm glad we agree on something. Dean's been getting the same treatment for a couple of months now.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 04:02 PM
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48. Bring it on!
The General is ready! Capitol Report is correct. KKKRove is shaking in his boots over a Wes Clark nomination!

Go, Wes!
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 04:11 PM
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50. They are already doing their dirty tricks
Spreading lies. Using selected excerpts and not continuing on to read the next sentence which says the opposite of the point they are trying to make.

They did it with Dean. Now they're doing it with Clark. Any front-runner will have to defend themselves from the dirty Republican liars and the media the kisses their ass.

I think Clark will do well, though. Bring it on.
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 04:17 PM
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51. I caught about 5 minutes of the OxyMoron on the radio today
Edited on Fri Jan-16-04 04:18 PM by DancingBear
Ironically, while driving to pick up Clark literature at the campaign office.

He was all over Clark and the for/against the war argument. He had his full bore pre-pubescent only dogs can hear whine going, he was rustling papers, he was sputtering - oh, it was good.

Clark is on the radar now, kids - I can't wait for Clark to bring out the iron fist in the velvet glove.

Paging Michael Buffer: "let's get ready to ruuuummmmbbbblllleeeeeeee...."
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