New NH Poll Shows Dean Leads Clark by 9 pts....

[slinkerwink]

"32 percent favor Dean, 23 percent prefer Clark, and 12 percent support Massachusetts Senator John F. Kerry" in NH according to the latest poll by boston globe, for what it's worth.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/primaries/new_hampshire/articles/2004/01/16/dean_slips_clark_gai ns_in_nh/

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[robbedvoter]

2. It's only worth anything if you have the prior numbers. Trends are

the only valid conclusion of any poll. Numbers per se are meaningless, even in a non-biased poll. So, tell me : who went up? Who went down?
Also, I'd read the article if the link weren't broken.

[jumptheshadow]

3. Read the name on the link

"Dean slips, Clark gains," although the link is dead.

[ClintonTyree]

4. However........

the good General has been campaigning his butt of in New Hampshire while totally ignoring Iowa. Dean will make up ground when he gets back and takes away Clark's one man blitz of NH. Clark is pouring all of his resources into NH, if he can't overcome Dean there I'd say the future looks pretty bleak for him.

[helleborient]

5. A Dean win over Kerry in IA or Clark in NH

Is a win by Dean against a candidate throwing nearly all of their current resources into one state.

Dean has been campaigning throughout the country. This is why I keep the current state polls in perspective. Dean is doing quite well in most other states in the country - even narrow leads in the South.

[thalerd]

8. Clark and Dean

Actually, Clark doesn't need to win NH for it to be considered a victory. Case in point: Clinton coming in second to Paul Tsongas there translated into a big victory. Tsongas's victory was tossed aside by the media for being in his own back yard (Tsongas was from Massachusetts, Dean is from Vermont -- same deal), and Clinton got the real publicity.

As his campaign strategists have said, a strong second is all Clark really needs there, and anything more is just icing on the cake.

And, no, General Clark is not "pouring all his resources" into NH any more than Dean is pouring all of his into Iowa. Clark is campaigning all over, from Texas to Washington to North Dakota.

[newyawker99]

18. Hi thalerd!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[mikehiggins]

15. Not really

Clark has been hitting it hard in New Hampshire, and the result is in the polling. The campaign is not pouring all its resources there, however. He is pretty much all over the map, though NH is the focal point right now.

The expectations game is already in full swing. Clark started out hoping for 4th, then 3rd. Now it looks like he might get 2nd so his opponents are beginning to say he'll be a loser if he doesn't win outright.

All things considered, 3rd is still a legitimate position, no matter what other folks want to say. Dean has a humongous organization in place that will be supplemented by huge numbers of supporters from the Iowa campaign. Kerry, if he does win Iowa after all, will be rolling into town with new support and a shiny new campaign. Both men have been in this contest for much, much longer than Clark and both men are professional politicians who have spent years honing their acts (Sorry, Dean fans. I know you want to think he's something bright sparkling new but that just ain't the fact, Jack) long before setting foot in New Hampshire.

If Clark places, he's still in the running.

Actually, though, I think Clark is in it up to the convention. As someone else said, if nobody has a majority going in, Clark may well get the nod (Actually, I've been saying that for some time but nobody listens cause I'm not some big time pundit or blogger. Oh, the pain) when the dust settles.

Monday the starting bell rings. Then we'll start to see how things play out.

[chimpymustgo]

6. NEW POLL Dean slips, Clark gains in N.H.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/primaries/new_hampshire/articles/2004/01/16/dean_slips_clark_gains_in_nh/

NEW POLL
Dean slips, Clark gains in N.H.

By Yvonne Abraham, Globe Staff, 1/16/2004

A barrage of criticism from his rivals appears to have taken a dramatic toll on Howard Dean's advantage in New Hampshire, and retired General Wesley K. Clark is benefiting from questions about whether the former Vermont governor is the best candidate to handle the war on terrorism, according to a new Boston Globe/WBZ-TV poll.

Four weeks ago, Dean had opened a gulf between himself and the rest of the field in New Hampshire. But if, as the saying goes, a week is a long time in politics, a month is an eternity -- especially in the electorally volatile Granite State.

The latest poll indicates Dean still leading in New Hampshire, but the 23 percentage-point advantage he enjoyed in December has been cut to nine points. His support is down from 42 percent in a Globe/WBZ-TV poll in December to 32 percent in the latest poll, conducted this week. And the man breathing down Dean's neck is Clark. According to the survey of 400 likely Democratic primary voters, 32 percent favor Dean, 23 percent prefer Clark, and 12 percent support Massachusetts Senator John F. Kerry, formerly Dean's closest rival. The gap has narrowed as other candidates have hammered away at Dean in debates and speeches over the past month.

Clark, who has not campaigned in Iowa and instead devoted himself to New Hampshire, has surged as more voters have met him and apparently decided he has the best qualifications to deal with the foreign policy issues they believe will be a factor in the general election. Clark's support is up from 13 percent in December. Kerry's has dropped from 19 percent, putting him in third place.

-snip-

[maddezmom]

7. I like the reporter's title better...

was just reading this at Boston Globe on line. :)

[Zomby Woof]

9. I posted the other day

About how the media encourages too much adherence to the polls and horserace aspects, so I must question the validity of this one and the others.

Winning NH doesn't mean squat anyway. Paul Tsongas anyone?

[Maddy McCall]

10. Yep.

Tsongas in 1992. And then came Bill.

:-)

[funky_bug]

19. So true! n/t

[Maddy McCall]

11. Wow! His lead has slipped from 23% points to 9% points...

That's not good for Dean. His downward trend continues.

[Zomby Woof]

12. Edwards and Clark

Their momentum is gaining - Dean's is slipping. So much for the Gore/Bradley/Richards/Harkin/Braun endorsements. As I have been saying over and over since the Fall - Dean is his own worst enemy. People from all walks of life look at him and say "Him? President? I hope not". Loose-lipped, and more than a hint of a short fuse. All that, and a DLC-flavored centrist agenda to die for.

Despite what armchair strategists may think, he is not playing to the base only to move to the middle. He is already there in middle-land, and has nowhere to go. He will stay in the middle, and not be any kind of incremental step towards a progressive agenda.

May those numbers against him continue to grow.

[Maddy McCall]

13. You and I think alike...

I have been saying the same thing, but I have been saying it longer. ;-)

:yourock: Zomby!

[Zomby Woof]

16. I was busy preparing to move last summer!

And um, spring too! Yeah, that's it. :D

Safe to say I never liked him, and we have plenty of company among fellow Dems and progressives.

:yourock: too!

[DoveTurnedHawk]

14. Cheers!

I would certainly take just about any Democratic candidate over Dean. Lieberman would be a tough swallow, but that's about the only one who's even close in terms of undesirability, IMO. :-)

DTH

[Zomby Woof]

17. Dean and Lieberman!!!

The UnDream Ticket! x(

[neverforget]

22. Oh God that would be an awful ticket!

[TexasSissy]

20. LINK NO GOOD. I get "page not found."

[TexasSissy]

24. I found the link thru Google.

It's

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/01/16/dean_slips_clark_gains_in_nh/

[Alex146]

21. And NH's only 10 days away

looking good.

[bain_sidhe]

23. fixed link

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/primaries/new_hampshire/articles/2004/01/16/dean_slips_clark_gains_in_nh/

Or, for if the link breaks in the middle, click here