Krugman says Clark and Dean "get it" - I say Clark/Dean in 04!

[floridaguy]

In this article, Krugman states that both Clark and Dean realize the mess this country is in. He also goes on to say that the successful candidate will need an energized group of supporters, among other things.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/16/opinion/16KRUG.html?ex=1075230762&ei=1&en=1318bb447a378321

As Wesley Clark continues to climb in the polls, and many people argue that only he will appeal to the majority moderates, this makes a Clark/Dean ticket a slam dunk.

In New Hampshire, Clark has shown his mass appeal. However, the Democratic party would be ill-advised not to recognize and utilize the tremendous efforts of the Dean campaign.

Many of the complaints about Howard Dean are not substantive. IMHO, his biggest hurdle has been his inability not to shoot from the hip and control his temper. These things he can work on, but probably not quick enough to change the public's perception such that he could win as the Presidential nominee.

CLARK-DEAN IN 04!

[DarkPhenyx]

1. I would prefer a Dean/Clark ticket...

...but yeah, I agree with you in principle. I've been thinking for a while that this would be a good thing.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

2. I would like to see Clark/Dean, Clark/Edwards, Clark/Graham 04'

:kick:

[deminflorida]

3. My guess is that it will be Clark/Dean if Clark gets the nomination....

Clark knows that the November election is going to be one of the most polarizing events in U.S. history...basically a battle of ideologies...

Good Generals rarely divide their forces prior to a major conflict.

Clark/Dean
or
Dean/Clark

in 2004 is the only way to win this battle, period.

[robbedvoter]

4. With all due respect to Krugman he only gets half.Clark/whomever he wants

That's why I wrote him a letter:

Dear Mr Krugman

I am glad that you now know that my candidate gets it.
Those of us who drafted him in this race figured this out since the time he was doing commentary on CNN - that's why we chose him.
So, here we were, his very energized base, pledging to contribute small donations even before our candidate jumped in the race - adding up to 1 million dollars. All pledges have been honored, btw.
And here we still are, writing to newspapers, knocking doors in New Hampshire and raising money in small donations and being largely ignored not just by the media but by people like Al Gore who insist Dean is the only candidate with a grassroots movement.
Maybe you'll come and visit us sometime at forclark.com. We truly do exist.
Of course, I happen to think a few more things are necessary besides getting it and a strong energized base.
One thing being, addressing more than your strong energized base. A candidate who plays only to the converted will eventually have only them as a base.
Blasting the democrats in Washington, the ones in the DLC, the opponents, the ones not defending you from the opponents will alienate one's potential base and shrink the existing one.
A candidate like mine who finds the common denominator among different voters (i.e - the need to replace Bush) will expand his base in spite of the media silence and end up making news, gaining in polls and winning.
Cutting taxes have been also known to work better than raising them.
So, I think the middle of the electorate is necessary for a victory and can be won over by the truth, provided a candidate actually believes in it, rather than spews back what the internet showed him people want to hear.

[graelent]

5. I doubt Dean would be a VP

Not because of any Better-than-thou attitude or anything like that, I just doubt Dean would be asked in the first place.

Electorially, Dean offers nothing to a Clark ticket. i am sure the VP would be Edwards or Graham or someone else from the south, mimicing the two southern boys strategy of Clinton/Gore 92.

I hope for a Dean win, and I would love to see Dean/Clark (although Clark has seemed to rule that out.)

[9119495]

6. Electorially, Dean adds money, new voters, and organization.

Those things are not "nothing."

[w4rma]

17. That is correct. (n/t)

[Maddy McCall]

8. Yes. An Edwards VP ticket, with Clark at the head, will be an unbeatable

ticket and I have been saying this since September. It's a great combiniation.

[AntiCoup2K4]

20. Dean offers elected political experience.

And that's why he should be at the top of the ticket. I was pushing for a Dean/Clark ticket early on, until the General himself made it seem all but impossible. I still believe that ticket would destroy Bush.

And another reason for Clark to be #2 on the ticket is that Rove probably wouldn't waste his time throwing his recent quotes back in his face if he were the running mate.

[Maddy McCall]

7. No, I would prefer Clark/Edwards...

Edwards has federal legislative experience and federal domestic experience. Clark has fp experience. I think this would be a great team.

Would be happy with Clark/Kerry or vice versa, though.

[Snivi Yllom]

9. not happening after the mudslinging

These two do NOT like each other.

[robbedvoter]

11. Carter resented being manipulated same way as Clark too. I wonder why?

What is it with these people that do not accept HD putting stories about them in the media without their consent and then taking advantage of their name? :shrug:

[joefree1]

10. Dean/Edwards, Dean/Clark

And all of us against Bush. ABB!


Images from Dean Rocks the House of Blues, Hollywood
From wtmusic http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=919849
From Joefree1 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=921300

[Cheswick2.0]

12. I will not vote or a ticket with Clark at the top of it

Clark/Dean isn't going to happen.

[JI7]

13. what if clark wins the nomination ?

with clark running against bush you would not vote for clark ? i can't see why not.

[Logansquare]

14. I would vote for a Clark bar over Bush

Folks, keep your eyes on the prize!

[Jack_Dawson]

15. That loser mentality

Is why we keep losing seats to the repugs. "I'm taking my toys and going home" ain't gonna cut it if you want Bush out.

But then again, if you don't mind Bush sticking around for another four years, by all means stay home on election day.

[Jack_Dawson]

16. Yay Krooogie!

He gets it. He is so smart it's scary.

[mermaid]

18. Mostly Agree

But I'd still rather see DEAN/Clark...not Clark/Dean

[Bombtrack]

19. Dean would lose Clark votes, hundreds of thousands if not millions

He can have a cabinet position or a senior position at the DNC, or a talk show.

But he will not win us any key demographic group or state, and he would lose us parts of plenty