I think its going to be Clark or Kerry, folks.

[11 Bravo]

So then what? If I'm right, will the supporters of Dr. Dean, who have brought such incredible energy and passion to this campaign, then take a pass? Or will they channel that energy and orginizational genius into putting a Democrat, ANY DEMOCRAT, into the White House? I think the fact that I have to ask the question scares me as much as anything else. (And before the flaming starts, please know that I have donated to the Dean, Kerry, Clark, and Kucinich campaigns. My mantra remains, ABB.)

[windansea]

1. I'd be proud to support either one n/t

[Jerseycoa]

21. I would, too

I kind of hate the idea of a Clark-Kerry fight, though. (I would steel myself, of course.) I'm hoping Dean wins Iowa slight.

[bearfartinthewoods]

39. kerry yes.....clark...no way

unless i have to. i'm not big on buying a pig in a poke.

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[Renew Deal]

3. What happened tonight

Did Dean screw something up? Did Clark rock the house somewhere? Why all the love for Clark tonight?

[bitchkitty]

17. It's, it's, it's

it's a MIRACLE! Praise the Lord and pass the PNAC!

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[janx]

6. Unless the list becomes crumpled in your coat pocket or

you leave your coat somewhere.

[Clark Can WIN]

12. Or it self destructs

like a movement led by someone who says "these kids are not transferable"

Kerry and Clark have strong positions backed by experience, service and hope. I like that about both of them.

[11 Bravo]

22. All right, I agree with bluestateguy, but you made me laugh.

In my world, that still counts for something.

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[Lefta Dissenter]

5. Well, not too long ago,

Dr. Dean requested that his supporters back whoever the democratic nominee is... I was glad to hear that, and I hope that his supporters will follow through (just as I would hope for ANY supporters, including Clark's).

[Lobo_13]

7. They'd get the vote

but I doubt that most would put forth any extra effort beyond that.

Donations, no.
Canvassing, no.
Enthusiasm, no.

[11 Bravo]

8. Too bad,

because that translates into: Bush, yes.

[dansolo]

13. Not according to some people here

The whole knock against Dean is his alleged problems with electability. If these other candidates are so superior, then our support, beyond our vote, is not needed. If these other candidates really do need our help, then apparently they aren't quite as electable as people say.

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[Lobo_13]

23. whippedy frickin do da

Give me one good reason why I should go out and bust my ass for John Kerry if he becomes the nominee? I've seen him speak a couple of times and he's done nothing for me whatsoever. He's actually turned me against him to a certain extent.

Dean offers hope that we can beat Bush, Kerry tries to get me scared of Bush.

I'm not scared of Bush, I'm pissed at him.

[BeatleBoot]

26. "whippedy doo da day"

But, then again, you don't care about my vote.

You care about how you'll get Dean to win in your precinct.

So, whippedy doo da day, my friend, whippedy doo da day!

[GalleryGod]

69. This Truly Is Your First Presidential Campaign,Isn't It ?

:wtf: :silly: :freak: :dunce:

C-
The logic espoused is dripping with (sniff,sniff) wounded sarcasm.
Sorry for your luck.

[Lobo_13]

16. It would be on them

If they can't inspire us to work that hard, it's not our fault.

You get the government you deserve.

[LoneStarDem]

31. No

No, you get the government you create.

All the major campaigns obviously will inspire some, but not all, of the electorate. But this election is more than just some candidate beauty pageant. If you sit out, for any reason, it is absolutely your fault. You may not love the guy, you may not even like the guy, but whoever it ends up being I don't think it is hyperbolic to say that they would be an order of magnitude better than Bush (hell, judicial appointments alone...); so come convention time, I hope to God that every conscientious person on this board and in this nation will put their respective shoulder to the wheel and get OUR guy elected. Because he will be our guy, all of ours.

[diamond14]

9. there are lots of us KERRY supporters canvassing, donating, and

FULL of enthusiasm....for the last several weeks, I have been working at Kerry Headquarters in DC, and working with the Kerry Iowa office in Des Moines, Iowa....and it is exciting, enthusiastic, and a winning ticket....we believe that Kerry can BEAT BUSH....only Kerry can smash down the "bush* attack Iraq campaign".....we must have a decorated honorable Vietnam war Veteran to tell bush* where to go....and to lead us out of the Iraq war mess...only Kerry can do it....

Go Kerry...SAVE AMERICA !!!!!

[blm]

10. Nice to see you again, amen.

Thanks for all your efforts. We'll pull this out. Kerry always does.

[Lobo_13]

15. Of course it is

Since when do we need a decorated Vietnam vet in the white house? I imagine we would have done it by now if it was a necessity.

Just more military fetishism.

[Clark Can WIN]

11. I agree with you and may the best man win.

I do hope that both campaign on positive messages and above the belt tactics.

I would be proud to call either of them my President and whichever one should win the primary will have my efforts. They are the only two who can win my state. I like Kerry very much but I prefer Clark's vision and the fact that he has less baggage. I believe Clark has the ability to pull in more voters. I want as many as possible and then some.

[deminflorida]

14. Clark, hopefully has it now...

We have to place well in S.C., that's all.....

We're going to throw up a bull work in Florida down here against anyone but Clark.

Hopefully Bob Graham, will help us deliver again.

If it runs longer than Super Tuesday, then our delegates in Florida are going to carry the day for Clark. We have organization and we're starting to see results.

Give us until March 8th, and we will deliver the battle-ground state.

[VolcanoJen]

68. I admire your enthusiasm, deminflorida!

Glad to hear the Florida Dems are ready to fight... I have a funny feeling Florida's going to be crucial, again.

[JNelson6563]

18. I respectfully disagree

but we shall see soon enough. :toast:

Julie

[11 Bravo]

25. I'm really curious.

Do you disagree with my Clark/Kerry premise; or you disagree with my plea for all Dems to unite behind WHOMEVER the candidate may be?

[Kazak]

19. ABB

ABBeL ;)

[Walt Starr]

47. I assume eL

means except Lieberman.

I'd vote for Joe.

I won't vote for Wesley.

[isbister]

24. George W. Bush is

the worst President in the history of the United States

I hope we all can remember that, no matter who wins the nomination.

We may all disagree about how we think this one or that one will do as President but we know how bush will do!

[jeter]

32. isbister, after all the things you said about Dean here?

Now we should all suck it up and work for Kerry?

No thanks.

First of all, I don't think Kerry will win anything. Second, if he does i'm sitting this election out.

Yes, i'd rather Bush be President than Kerry.

I'll support: Dean or Clark or Edwards.

I will NEVER support (not against Bush even): Kerry, Lieberman or Gephardt.

[isbister]

60. all the things you said about Dean

What have I said except that he is a misleader? Its accurate. He misleads every time he says "voted for war". Dean's wrong and I'm not. Read the resolution:

http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/nea/iraq/text/1010res.htm

There was no "vote for war" and it is wrong for Dean, or anyone else, to say such a thing against fellow Democrats. This is George W. Bush's war and Dean's divisive words have caused some in this party to forget it.

You have every right to vote for the candidate that you want. If you do as you say and choose bush over any of the candidates other than Dean or Clark or Edwards then you haven't been paying attention to what bush and the gang have been doing. Lint would do a better job!

[mitchum]

61. "I'd rather Bush be President than Kerry".Hmmmm

You know, I have never seen a Kerry supporter state "I'd rather Bush be President than____" Telling.

[stickdog]

27. Sorry, but neither Clark nor Kerry have a chance against Bush.

Why should I work for an unelectable candidate?

[DjTj]

28. If Dean is the VP...

...They will help.

[jeter]

29. I think its going to be Clark

Kerry has too much baggage. Too many Dean supporters would not vote for Kerry.

The war resolution vote will suppress Democratic turnout.

Kerry would lose to Bush worse than Dean.

I've always said that because of the Democratic bloodletting, the only candidate that can unite the party is Clark.

He should be, and probably will be the nominee.

[dsc]

30. I am done with answering these insulting loyalty oaths

I have answered at least a dozen times and am frankly fed up with them. If you won't believe the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh, and twelfth times I have answered the loyalty oaths then why should I or any Dean supporter, and it is virtually always only we who get this crap, bother answering yet again?

[boxster]

35. So just ignore them!

If you're so offended by these types of posts, let met suggest that you just ignore them. Simple and effective.

To people who believe that the bottom line in this election is that Bush must go, the possibility that many Dean supporters are NBD is important to them. If the common goal is beating Bush, then the question has merit.

Regarding Dean supporters as the only target of this type of posting, I disagree. There have been plenty of postings asking Clark supporters (and others) if they would vote for Dean. Dean supporters are asked this more often, however, because a) he's the front-runner, and b) because many Dean supporters on DU have openly acknowledged that they will not vote for anyone but Dean, especially when asked if they will vote for Clark.

[11 Bravo]

36. If you take the time to read posts 7, 13, 15, 16, 23, 27, and 32

ON THIS VERY THREAD, you may come to understand why some of us aren't as sanguine about the "loyalty" (your word, not mine) of some DUers toward the eventual Democratic nominee.

[kayleybeth]

34. If Clark isn't the nominee

If Clark doesn't get the nomination I hope it will go to Kerry or Edwards, but when it comes right down to it I will vote ABB.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

37. Clark maybe. Kerry never.

After the recent thread on Clark's support for SOA, my likelihood of supporting him is diminishing. As for Kerry, after the disgraceful IWR vote, there is no way I would support, or vote, for him.

[poskonig]

38. You won't vote against Bush?

Why?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

41. Of course I will.

I loathe Bush because of his policies. I will be voting against him, and his policies. If Kerry, Lieberman, Gephardt, or Edwards, who voted for, and supported, his policy in Iraq, I'll be voting against them too.

I'll be voting Green.

As for Clark, I'm undecided. His support of the SOA is very troubling to me.

[ClarkGraham2004]

44. But the thing is, voting Green is voting FOR Bush.

[Walt Starr]

48. There is only ONE WAY to vote for Bush

You must go to your polling place, pick up a ballot, move to the voting booth, and punch the hole next to Bush's name.

NOTHING ELSE IS VOTING FOR BUSH!

I'm sick of having to say that. Voting for Bush is voting for Bush. Voting for the Green candidate is voting for the Green candidate.

[11 Bravo]

51. Mr. Starr ...

As a relative newcomer to DU I will first say that I have read many of your posts and always found you to be an intelligent and lucid advocate for your point of view. Having said that, do you honestly believe that Nader votes in Florida in 2000 were not de facto Bush votes, and are not the reason that Bush currently occupies the White House?

[PROGRESSIVE1]

40. I will PROUDLY support either of these two great men!

They are my top choices!

:dem:

[Cuban_Liberal]

42. Just one small 50-state, $20 million stumbling block.

I'm not saying it's not possible for any candidate to overcome Dean's organizational and financial lead, but the prospect should be sobering to any rational supporter of another candidate. That's one helluva obstacle to get past, IMO.

[KittyWampus]

43. I think It Is Going To Be Both Clark AND Kerry

JMHO

Clark is best at the top of ticket cause frankly he's better looking and will pull enough in the South to make Junior sweat money there. Also, Clark avoids the NorthEastern Liberal crap label the GOP loves. And his Non-Partisan past is a big draw for moderates and independents.


Kerry is best as VP cause he can work behind the scenes with the Intelligence people lined up behind him.

[Walt Starr]

49. I could not vote for that ticket

Sorry, If Clark is on the ticket, the only way I vote for that ticket is if Dean is there also. Nothing else is acceptable to me with Clark's name on the ticket.

Any other combination would have my supprt, even a Joe Lieberman/Zell Miller ticket would get my vote, but not a Clark/anybody but Dean ticket.

[Killarney]

45. I'm starting to think the same thing!

That it will come down to Clark or Kerry. I like and respect them both. Kerry has more experience, but Clark has more passion and can connect easily with people. I would be damn proud to have either as my president.

And I can tell you this right now:
If it ends up being a Clark/Kerry ticket, I will do an upside-down, naked happy dance. That ticket would destroy Bush.

:toast:

[Walt Starr]

46. I would vote for Kerry

If Clark is nominated, no vote from me. I take a walk.

[Thistle42]

50. From your mouth...

to God's ears...2dumb2bprez! I like both Kerry and Clark. As a Vietnam veteran, an army nurse to be exact, I am partial to them.

[11 Bravo]

52. Welcome to DU Thistle 42!

As a Vietnam vet with two purple hearts and a lingering propensity to trigger metal detectors; please let me tell you, 33 years after my particular fact, how much you and the rest of your cohorts meant to us snuffies.

[Thistle42]

55. You mean a lot to us too...

My husband and I met in Vietnam...doctor and nurse. We love and respect you for all your sacrifices. Please know that.

I would love to see Kerry or Clark debate the dumb one. Can't you just see it? Even Rove couldn't ruin that moment!

[11 Bravo]

56. Nobody could ruin that moment!

And at the risk of sounding maudlin, thanks again. My first heart was a nick. The second time I was hit in the abdomen, and I was afraid . You, or one of your cohorts, took ahold of my hand before I was even off the dust-off bird, never let go of me until I was doped up, and were there when I woke up.

[adadem]

58. Thank you, too 2dumb2beprez

for your service. Our veterans are my heroes.

[adadem]

57. Thank you Thistle,

for your service and welcome to DU! :hi:

[Shanty Oilish]

53. I think it'll be Dean/Braun

I wouldn't mind losing this bet, but that's what I think :)

[11 Bravo]

54. If you truly wouldn't mind losing this bet ...

would you please make it with me?

on edit: The bet! Would you please make the bet with me?!

[Shanty Oilish]

59. ggggg

I knew what ya meant!
Why, who do you think it'll be? Who's the veep?

[mitchum]

63. NO, no, no make the bet with me!

I could always use the money.
Nice to see you back here, draftcaroline.

[Shanty Oilish]

67. Thanks mitchum

Seeing as I drove a few hundred miles to sit here, I'm glad you noticed! :loveya:
Never will forget your line about putting a certain film to music... :crazy:

[shivaji]

62. Clark will lurch in any direction which will benefit Clark

He is overly ambitious, possesses a towering ego, and will do anything which will benefit his ambitions. Nothing wrong with
that trait except, I simply won't trust a guy to lead my party
when he has proved to have switched sides, positions and PARTIES.

We have too many fine candidates, Dean, Edwards, Kerry and Gep,
to name a few, in whom I can trust to carry the torch of
democratic principles.

[YellowDawgDemocrat]

65. I'll probably sit this one out if Clark gets the nomination...maybe go

green or leave the top blank.

[GalleryGod]

70. I Admire the Sheer Force of Your Discipline

to leave a presidential ballot "blank":wtf:

[QC]

72. Do you know what "Yellow Dog Democrat" means? n/t

[k_blagburn]

66. switched sides, positions and PARTIES????

I have seen no evidence of this.

:kick:

Support Our Troops
Elect One
CLARK 04

[k_blagburn]

64. I would love a Clark/Kerry Ticket

4 stars & vietnam vet against AWOL Bush and draft dodger Cheney.
It's a win-win.

[Maddy McCall]

71. Yes...or Clark/Edwards

n/t

[molly]

73. How about a Kerry/Clark ticket?

:kick: :party:

:thumbsup: