Braun was paid off by the Dean campaign

[Renew Deal]

The other day I suggested this and got roasted. It seemed over the top. BUT it's TRUE. Here are my words.

Isn't that how Dean gets most of his endorsements.

Cash and offers of power.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=106247#106271

You heard it from me first.
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Moseley Braun Wins By Losing: Back on the national stage again, Carol Moseley Braun left the presidential race Wednesday in better shape than when she entered it a year ago, reports the Chicago Sun Times. By running for president, Moseley Braun tried to rehabilitate her image and situate herself as a "player" in national politics again. But it was her decision to throw her support behind Howard Dean at a time that will be beneficial to him that may help her more than anything.

In a dance that started last week, Patricia Ireland, Moseley Braun's campaign manager, started talks with Dean campaign manager Joe Trippi to explore coming on board. She was eventually turned over to Dean senior adviser Jon Haber and the two negotiated her departure. Braun will campaign for Dean three days a week with the campaign picking up her expenses, and she'll be paid about $20,000 as a consultant.

Braun also has a campaign debt of about $300,000 and Haber said that the Dean campaign "will help her with her debt."

Moseley Braun will go to New Hampshire and South Carolina for Dean. In South Carolina, the campaign is hoping her track record on the Confederate flag issue can help Dean deflect any problems he has with African-Americans.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/02/26/politics/main502099.shtml#Wins

[windansea]

1. saw that article

politics as usual

[jmaier]

2. Dean campaign

spokespersons including Trippi made explicit statements that this was not true and I tend to believe them. They will pay travel expenses for Braun and a staffer but no consulting fees.

Braun's debt is not too high and pretty easily handled by the post-nomination traditional unity day dinner exercise.

[AP]

3. Man. Now when I think of tha question she asked Edwards, I'll see price...

...tag affixed.

[Renew Deal]

7. She was a hired gun.

It explains why she went to bat for Dean like that.

[AP]

10. If you don't want to be the "mean to Edwards" candidate

get someone else to do the dirty work.

[_Jumper_]

11. Disgusting

I can't believe that a Democratic candidate would resort to this just to win some votes.

When will Kucinich and Sharpton be given monetary offers? :eyes:

[AP]

15. When they have something to offer Dean which they're willing to sell

ie, never.

[_Jumper_]

32. I don't think they will sell out but Dean and co. may attempt to buy them

Imagine if they bought Kucinich. That would solidify his support among single issue anti-war voters.

[JI7]

i didn't get the edwards thing

i also wondered about that. it seemed like she had something against him.

[AP]

29. Well, now we know it wasn't personal or professional.

[beaconess]

48. Maybe she should have taken out an advance on her fee to pay a fact-checke

to keep her from making a fool of herself by completely misstating John Edwards' record.

[blm]

4. Oh geez....Carol...no, no, no.

Break my heart twice.

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[beaconess]

51. LOL

[seventhson]

5. Good

And he is lucky to have her.

Sher obviously believes in him and we the people are paying for HIM as well as her.

Money well spent IMHO.

[Rose Siding]

12. It isn't true that she was paid off

Trippi- on IP- said that there is always a big dinner after the nom is decided and all the debts are retired/covered. And her campaign activities on Dean's behalf will be paid for. I think that's fair and I say that as a contributor.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

6. tit for tat

nothing new under the political sun but it looks pretty bad and can be spun as "buying her" quite easily.

[KC21304]

33. What I don't understand is why she went on The Daily Show

and explained very seriously why she was running, ( though she did say the caucus was Tuesday ) and then MSNBC had the whole story of her quitting and endorsing Dean before The Daily Show even aired.

[DemBones DemBones]

52. Wasn't that amazing? I was discussing CMB's

dropping out & endorsing Dean here at DU and watching her on the Daily Show at the same time. That looks very bad for her, insisting she was a serious candidate when she knew she was getting out of the race. She'd have done better to cancel that appearance.

[DaisyUCSB]

8. They seem to be less fair on a whole at least here

towards critisms of there campaign

[Lefta Dissenter]

9. I felt bad for her when I saw her at the

'endorsement announcement.' She looked sad. Harkin looked paternal and sympathetic. I think he recognized how difficult it must have been for her.

[bitchkitty]

13. I don't believe it -

and I think it's pretty despicable to accuse someone of her stature of being "bought".

[AP]

19. Uhm, they accused her of that when she was a Senator. From Democracy Now:

AMY GOODMAN: As we move down the alphabetical list, Carol Moseley-Braun.

CHARLES LEWIS: Carol Moseley-Braun is the person who gave speeches. I mentioned Glaxo-Wellcome paid her $20,000, which is one-third of her income, the year she was a candidate, and there was a senate ban on speech honoraria. In other words, they couldn't receive it, but she was a senator-elect, not a senator, so weeks before taking the oath - there is a pattern with her of repeatedly poor judgment on ethical matters where she was under a cloud, under scandals, under investigations, monies - there was problems with her staff and her money being spent by her senate office. So, there are a lot of things involving the conduct while in office involving money that were very, very interesting, but, you know, she embraced Glaxo-Wellcome, back to them, the pharmaceutical industry. Powerful interests were close to her in her short time in the senate.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/01/09/1541218

[batesboys]

14. You were right Bleachers

very smart you are

[WillyT]

16. And When His Campaign Helps Out Dem Congress Folks With Funds...

for their campaigns, you feel... How???

:shrug:

[Renew Deal]

20. It's not the same thing

[BurtWorm]

24. Because they're not part of the Stop-Dean coalition. I see your point.

;)

[Renew Deal]

28. No, Check 23.

[AP]

21. I think the problem is that her demeanor changed dramatically towards end.

I don't think eyebrows would be raised if whe weren't doing heavy lifting for Dean in the last two or three debates.

Why wasn't she working hard for him before that? Hmm. $$$$?

[Renew Deal]

23. She wasted everyone's time for a week including that debate.

She took time on the Daily Show too. A week is a long time in these campaigns. On top of that, she was a hired gun for Dean, doing the dirty work with a kitchen sink attack.

[BurtWorm]

31. Changed demeanor! Shocking!

Why can't people hang onto their demeanors? Lord have mercy!

[AP]

38. It's the money changing hands + change of demeanor which shocks.

Either one alone, no eyebrows. Both together, eyebows.

[BurtWorm]

76. The only people whose eyebrows are raised are people who think

they smell blood.

[mikehiggins]

17. If true that is so very, very sad eom

[MIMStigator]

18. UNBELIEVABLE

!

[BurtWorm]

22. Shocking! A campaign in debt accepting an offer of help out of debt!

What is this nation coming to? And just imagine someone taking a salary of $20,000 to do consulting. The world has gone mad!

[Renew Deal]

25. I'll take 20K for under 2 months work.

Sign me up.

[BurtWorm]

36. Some people are worth that much.

Some people aren't.

[WillyT]

27. LOL !!!

Well, some people are newer to politics than others.

:shrug:

[AP]

40. This isn't a business transaction. Principles shouldn't be for sale.

[beaconess]

59. Raises legitimate questions of how many other of his endorsements

are paid consultants to his campaign.

[angee_is_mad]

26. Is anyone surprise?

I know that I am not. It has been obvious for months the way the wind was blowing for those two.

[janx]

30. This is despicable. Braun was not paid off for anything, and Trippi

addressed this on CNN today because Woodruff wanted him to be able to do so.

Carol is a woman of principle. She did not go into this seeking some kind of monetary gain; in fact, all the Dem candidates break even come convention time. We help eachother out.

Another losing low-life thread. Find something! For God's sake, find something that matters--and if you can't, then stop trying!

This sounds like more Lehane garbage.

[Renew Deal]

34. She was a hired gun at the debate.

Those attack by Braun was paid for by Dean for America. She knew she was gone but she wasted everybody's time. Besides that, it says her representative contacted the Dean campaign.

[janx]

46. Oh for pete's sake, Bleachers. Braun is an ambassador!

Don't paint her as some hired gun character out of partisanship, please.

She is a true stateswoman and a fine representative of our country.

[Renew Deal]

50. She is great

I became a fan of hers after seeing her at the debates. But it's still also true that she knew she was done for and still came out swinging at that debate.

[AP]

57. See post 19.

...

[clarknyc]

61. Really?

Those attack by Braun was paid for by Dean for America.

Speculation. Opinion. Not fact, or do you have a credible link?

[WillyT]

37. Yep, GD2004 Sinks To 'Hull Crushing' Depths... Once Again !!!

:puke:

Doesn't make me feel all warm and cuddly for their guy, either!!!

:grr:

[Renew Deal]

43. Blame CBS, Dean, Braun

or whoever. I am just the messenger.

[WillyT]

60. Oh Man... You Let Yourself Off WAY To Easily !!!

Do we even know yet who approached who???

Could Carol have gone 'first' with her offer of support, and then Dean offered to help her out financially???

Cause your sure implying that it was the other way around!

:shrug:

- I'll have to see your answer later. I have to go to one of my three crappy jobs now. Later.

:shrug:

[Renew Deal]

66. It's in the article

"Patricia Ireland, Moseley Braun's campaign manager, started talks with Dean campaign manager Joe Trippi to explore coming on board."

[WillyT]

71. That's Right, Carol Went To Dean First, And He Offered Help Second...

happens all the time.

:shrug:

Now I really HAVE to go.

Ciao!

[Lobo_13]

35. Maybe Kerry

won't have to worry about that 6 mil mortgage after too long.

[Renew Deal]

39. I think this proves Dean is a master politician

Dean has gone out of his way to make contacts with all the right people. He was talking to Gore for a long time. Talking to Harkin. Talking to Carter. He kept contact with them. But being a master politician is not the same is being a leader and I feel Dean has a gap in that area.

[shance]

41. If Braun were a male, this wouldnt hit the RADAR.

Why on earth is this wrong?

Its no secret Braun and Dean like and respect one other. So now he wants her on his team. She believes in what hes doing, and yes now she can work on his campaign as a consultant.

This thread is a little envy driven I think.

And again, lets go to the Republican party. Are we putting Democratic candidates under a mega-microscope and expecting them to be holier than thou and expect the Dems to win (at this point) without financial issues playing into it.

This is kind of like the outrage over Gores fundraising deal by the Republicans, when look at the fundraising outrages committed by Dick Cheney and the Administration?

Except the criticism tonight is coming from those DUers who simply dont want Dean to win.

Sour grapes guys - and it hurts us all in the long run.

[AP]

45. Nope. If Kucinich started going soft on Dean and then this were anounced

it would be the end of DK's career.

[Lobo_13]

53. I don't remember

CMB ever being hard on Dean, so how could she get soft?

[AP]

62. She never carried his bags and played his heavy until the last week or two

[beaconess]

63. If CMB were a man who one day after dropping out of the race

apparently became a paid consultant to another candidate's campaign, you BET it would be news.

[absyntheNsugar]

42. Look everyone - I'm amazed I still have to explain this

The goal is to beat Bush - not to elect a Paul Wellstone to the White House. The candidates are doing what they can to survive - and this is nowhere near as bad as, um, sending 400+ to their death like a certain monkey sitting in the White House.

We're not going to get a Wellstone this election, so don't hold your breath and cry foul when Politics is Politics.

[BurtWorm]

54. Thank you!

Good luck getting through.

[Melinda]

44. And when June comes & they all fall into line, what'll the excuse be then?

It's called Politics. Really. :eyes:

[AP]

49. Hopefully, they'll do it because of principles and not money.

Do you think Bill Clinton is going to ask for expenses, a fee, and fundraising dinner?

Furthermore, this isn't a last one standing issue. This looks like a highest bidder situation.

[adadem]

47. It doesn't "look" good

It "looks" like a payoff.

[srpantalonas]

55. I have read this and I think it's acceptable...

My campaign has debts and I would love for my opponent to help pay those debts. Braun could have chosen any of the candidates and any of them would have offered to help her with her campaign debts. Every candidate knows what it's like to rais money and run up tons of bills--you should not read deeply into this. Dean

[MIMStigator]

56. this explains why she was Dean's attack dog

in the debate

[AP]

65. Interesting that Dean WANTED to attack, but wouldn't do it himself.

[MIMStigator]

69. yeah looks STRANGE now that you think about it don't it?

nt

[Karmadillo]

58. $hame on all of you! To make thi$ an i$$ue i$ $imply

outrageou$. Help in paying off a three hundred thou$and dollar debt. $o what? Twenty thou$and dollar$ for con$ulting. A drop in the proverbial bucket. I'm $ure the endor$ement wa$ heartfelt and $incere. The campaign of a $traight talking warrior again$t the $tatu$ quo wouldn't have it any other way. Hone$t! Let'$ focu$ on real i$$ue$, OK?

[MIMStigator]

68. $he didn't have any offer$ when $he turned into Dean attack dog?

?

[saltpoint]

64. CMB was too prepared and persuasive --

-- in the debates to be shilling for the Dean campaign.

If she takes money to be a Dean consultant, the credit is to Dean, who has then shown the good judgment in hiring a smart, persuasive woman for his campaign.

I don't accept that CMB's commitment to the race was anything less than true-hearted. I hope she is offered a high position in the Democratic cabinet when we whomp Dubya in November.

[mzmolly]

67. FALSE. She is now one of MANY paid political consultants. This is a

smear on Carol M Braun and Dr. Dean.

I can't belive the lengths people will go to smear Deans campaign. I question whether I am really among Democrats here?

Tom Harkin now *evil*
Carol M Braun now *evil*
Bill Bradley now *evil*
Molly Ivins *evil*
J Garafallo *evil*
Al Gore *evil*

on and on and on...

It's appauling in my opinion.

[Renew Deal]

72. I can accept that if it were true. But she was still a hired gun

at the debate. While you are at it, search my name and the people you listed. See what comes up.

[AP]

73. She's the only one on that list who got to stand on stage and attack JRE &

JFK and Al on behalf of Howard under the pretense of running for president.

[Cassandra]

70. No

That isn't "how Dean gets most of his endorsements". Most of the unions and others who endorsed him early on said he was the one who worked for the endorsements the hardest. Moveon.org said they offered technical help to all the Dem candidates but that Dean was the only one who took them up on it. The service unions said that Dean worked harder to earn their endorsement than anyone, including Gephardt. They hardly had any contact with the other candidates at all. At the beginning of the campaign, Dean didn't have enough money to buy anyone off. Dean has worked his butt off and all you can do is smear him. You might consider being ashamed of yourself, rather than spending your time spreading rumors.

[hellhathnofury]

74. Well...

:nuke:

[Moderator]

75. Locking

This headline is inflammatory.

DU Moderator