I'm about to smash my TV

[ErasureAcer]

Every damn political analyst keeps saying Dean is "liberal." Some even use the word "very" in front of the word.

I'm very liberal. Dean doesn't even reflect 1/16 of the issues that concern me.

I'm seriously about to never watch any TV news show ever again if I hear Dean labeled liberal by one more of these freakin analysts and hosts.

Dean himself said he wasn't liberal, and he has a record to back that up.

The media saying he is liberal upsets me.

Liberal minded people might be attracted to Dean because the media says he is liberal...while over-looking my candidate, Dennis Kucinich, who is most definitely liberal.

Ignoring the problem won't make it go away...so I probably won't smash my TV. Fighting it won't help either. There needs to be some true media and election reform in this country, for putting up with this BS isn't almost worth fighting.

This country has died.

The media has taken control. So what are some good countries with fair media that let the people decide the elections?

I may be moving there soon.

[Name removed]

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[Ripley]

2. Name one very left area.

Civil Unions are not gay marriage.

BTW, you're breaking the new rule...his name is Candidate Howard Dean. Not Howie.

[arewethereyet]

4. If I broke a rule, I'm very sorry. I'll do better.

but to the middle of the road average Joe, civil unions are little different than gay marriage. And a strenous stance against the war would be considered rather leftist as well.

[ErasureAcer]

6. I'm not arguing issues here...

Howard Dean isn't a liberal...he said so himself.

I'm arguing the words the media uses and how they like to distort the truth.

This isn't fair...and this isn't a democracy.

The media controls the elections...not the people.

That is my point.

[arewethereyet]

11. I hear what you're saying but perception is reality

I don't find him particularly liberal either but much of America will even if the media did nothing but report him words only and verbatum.

[littlejoe]

10. Oops, you did it again. That would be the average "Joseph".

[arewethereyet]

12. BUSTED AGAIN !

this is harder than I thought !

[dobak]

14. Being against war is not a liberal/leftist cause - n/t

[Mairead]

15. "civil unions are little different than gay marriage"

They're enormously different. Married people get federal tax breaks. Civil-unioned people don't. That's just for starters.

And his 'strenuous stance against the war' is rubbish. He only came out against the 'war' in late February, a week or so before the invasion and massacre officially started. Until then, he was for Biden-Lugar, a right-wing fig-leaf. His campaign has applied vigorous spin since then to try to make us believe the sow's ear is a silk purse, but people with a sense of smell know the truth.

[Terwilliger]

19. does that mean rightists are murderous warmongers?

thats the logical conclusion of what you say

[Mairead]

13. "Howie is, from a middle of the road perspective, leftist"

only if that road only has a right lane. If it has a left lane too, then Dean is definitely in the right one.

[LWolf]

3. I feel your frustration.

It's not a slam on Dr. Dean to say that he is a moderate. And it is more accurate. He himself, in a Salon interview last February, said, "I don't mind being characterized as a liberal. I just don't happen to think it's true."

The constant mantra of "Dean is the liberal candidate" moves the democrats further to the right and further marginalizes the true liberals. And I don't appreciate it.

[zulchzulu]

5. Wait...Dean is a liberal...no wait...he's a centrist...wait...he's a...

Dean will say anything to anyone to appear to be whatever they want him to be.

[betweenwars]

8. Actions

speak louder than words. Notice how you're shifting this debate to what Dean says. Look instead at what he has done as governor.

Look, I'm being cautious about whom I support--Dean, Clark, Kerry, Edwards and the rest all have their appeal, as far as I'm concerned. Dean interested me early on BECAUSE of his moderate record, which I believed then would give him broad appeal. Now it appears that his record won't see the light of day--the "liberal" meme will shout down the more moderate record. That's bad not because I do or don't support Dean; it's bad because an inability to view the candidate, to have a fair hearing, as it were puts us on par with fascist states and dictatorships.

Mitch

[newyawker99]

18. Hi betweenwars!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[betweenwars]

20. Thank you so much

I've been lurking since 2000 and finally got the nerve to register.

I appreciate the welcome, newyawker.

(I'm in PA now, but lived in NY and NYC. Hope all is well there.)

Mitch

[mouse7]

7. One reason I wish Kucinich would get nomination right here

Dean's pretty moderate, but they've used all their "liberal" adjectives up in describing Dean. All they can do is call Kucinich very liberal and unelectable, too. Hell, they call Lieberman liberal, and he's further right than 1/4 of the GlOPs.

So if Lieberman is liberal, and Dean is liberal, and Kucinich is liberal, might as well get the most mileage out of the term, right?

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

9. If, God forbid, Bush wins

It will be blamed on the "left", even though none of the frontrunners are even that liberal, and Dean certainly not. It will be the "far left" and the "Greens" who will be blamed.

[southerngirlwriter]

16. TV *should* be smashed.

Kill your television. Get your news from the internet and newspapers. You'll never regret that decision.

[ErasureAcer]

17. But...

how would I watch DVDs, Seinfeld and reruns of Star Trek: The Next Generation? How would I play videogames?