I think it is going to be Clark or Kerry for the nomination.

[Bread and Circus]

I think they will represent an amazing thing to the
Country and represent our Party well.

I am a longtime Clark supporter but I recognize Kerry may
be catching on. He may fizzle past New Hampshire but we
will see.

Either way, I see it as a WIN-WIN for me. I like Clark
and I like Kerry. Frankly, they both represent the best
in America.

This is my "hot button issue" and I am glad to see Kerry
emphasizing it:

Energy Plan
Making the United States a Safer, Cleaner and Stronger Nation
Creates 500,000 New Jobs Over the Next Decade and Provides Assistance to Assure American Industries Will Lead the New Energy Economy.

John Kerry has outlined an energy plan that will reduce our dependence on Mideast oil, assure that American industries and ingenuity will lead the new energy economy, and protect our environment. Americans spend more than $20 billion each year on oil from the Persian Gulf -- often from nations that are unstable and hostile to our interests and our values. Kerry believes that we must end this dangerous dependence because it leaves American security and the American economy vulnerable. Kerry’s plan will reduce oil dependence by two million barrels of oil a day, as much as we currently import from the Middle East.


http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/energy/plan.html

I also like how Kerry pointed out that Energy should be our
"next Apollo mission" as opposed to Space Travel. We will
yield huge humanist and economic gains by putting all our efforts
into alternative energy.

Kerry has done and said some really dumb things in this Election
but I still respect and like him.

And finally, I think we need to put a Vietnam Vet in the White
House. We asked many of them to die or lose a limb for us and we
need to pay back with respect and honor. I believe the Vietnam
War was a drastic humanitarian and political catastrophe but
nonetheless when people serve our Country and do as we ask
them to do to protect us, they deserve our service in return.
The fact that Kerry came back and protested against the war
enhances him in my eyes. Clark staying on in Military is also
worthy of praise. Either one of them shows the world that the
Democratic Party knows how to pay for our Freedom with courage,
honor, and sacrifice. That's something many of the top GOP
leaders just don't know how to do. Frankly, many of the top
GOP leaders are cowards, plain and simple. Only when we put
someone up there where courage is plain to compare and contrast,
can we point out that Bush is an AWOL deserter and a chickenhawk.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

1. Either One Would Be Far Better Than Dean, IMO

Not only are they both more liberal, they both have a much better chance of beating Bush.

DTH

[creativelcro]

2. LOL! But wasn't Dean too liberal to be elected, just a few weeks ago?

[Bread and Circus]

3. No, not too liberal, just too easily painted as liberal...and too snarky

[StClone]

4. MLK, Gandhi and Jesus

Karl would paint them all as unelectable -- too something.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

6. Karl Rove Does Not Have a Monopoly on Strategy or Common Sense

I think it's quite clear, but obviously YMMV.

DTH

[Bread and Circus]

7. Fine, but this thread isn't really about Dean or Jesus...it's about...

Clark and Kerry and why either of them should be the nominee...

[DoveTurnedHawk]

5. Perception Vs. Reality

Howard Dean is a moderate (as most people who've followed him closely are well-aware) who appears to be a liberal. Thus, he is less likely to get elected, and less likely to enact the reforms we want if he does get elected.

Wesley Clark is a liberal who appears to be a moderate. Thus, he is more likely to get elected, and more likely to enact the reforms we want if he does get elected.

Kerry is a liberal who appears relatively liberal. So it's a wash, with him. But he's still better than Dean.

DTH

[BootinUp]

8. I still think you have to favor the two

with the most national support and the most money. Those are the candidates that will continue the fight beyond NH. So it still will be a Dean/Clark fight. But Clark will win it on the strength of more universal appeal than Dean.

[Bread and Circus]

9. You may be right, but I think Dean is failing the "upon closer inspection"

test.

[BootinUp]

11. With the undecideds, yes

I completely agree, but he has enough support to continue on.

Even if Kerry wins Iowa and places second in NH with Clark a close third, I still give the advantage to Dean and Clark, based on better preparation in the states after NH.

[End Evil]

14. Precisely.

That's a great way to put it: "...Dean is failing the "upon closer inspection" test...

:pals:

[End Evil]

10. not necessarily

Dean is an internet creation. I don't see any there there. He is no liberal, that is for sure. If his supporters move to another subject in the Spring, I think it very well could be a Clark - Kerry fight.

IMO, Clark could more easily win over Bush, however, Kerry could still win as well. Both men are liberal as opposed to fads and so we'll just have to be patient.

[BootinUp]

12. Is Dean just an Internet creation

Not really, thats real money folks are contributing. The internet allowed people to feel closer to the candidate and other supporters though.

[End Evil]

13. You are correct.

Of course he is not just an Internet creation; however, his positions and appeal to the 'outsider' certainly is. This man is not a liberal in any way, but was sold as such; he went from being a broker to a physician to a governor and that is hardly 'outsider' territory, but that's what appears to have ignited young people. Seems like dishonest advertising to me. :shrug:

[displacedtexan]

15. You can't take the Dean out of Dean/Witter...

n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. Welcome to DU, End Evil!

:hi:

[Clark Can WIN]

16. Everything you just said Doctor

I agree with you entirely. God save the republicans if they team up together. On second thought, cancel that request God. Don't save them, you have better things to do, I'm sure.

[returnable]

18. I wonder about Kerry and his organization...

...post-NH.

My impression that he has pretty much focused all of his energy/funds in Iowa and New Hampshire.

Does he have much grassroots support in February 3 states ? SC, AZ, DE, MO, ND, OK, and NM? :shrug:

I'd like to hear from some Kerry supporters in those states.

Obviously, strong showings tonight and next week will give him a bump, but will that bump translate into instant ground support? That's a lot of ground to cover in just one week. Dean & Clark have both worked hard to create a presence in those states. Has Kerry? I dunno. I'm asking :hi:

[blm]

19. He did early on.

In SC, though, one of his state coordinators' reserve unit was called up a few months ago. His other one is delivering twins soon. We'll see. He still has some good folks here.

He had some good infrastructure in Az., Mich., and NM, too, from what I've heard.

[returnable]

20. Cool. Thanks for the info! n/t