Looks like the Dean exodus is almost complete

[edzontar]

Or else all of my friends are working today.

With the recent Kucinich news, it seems like we are entering the surrealistic phase of the fight.

Dennis, the anti-war candidate par excellance, announes a deal with the pro-IWR Edwards.

And McGovern--the former Dem candidate most reviled by Clark supporters--endorses Clark!!!!

Strange days indeed.

Most peculiar, momma.

[BootinUp]

1. Please don't include me

in a group that reviles Senator McGovern. I may look back at the election with a painful feeling but I never have said anything disrespectful of the man.

[bobbieinok]

4. me too - I voted for McGovern and plan to vote for Clark

to original message - where did you get this idea??????

[lancdem]

2. More like strange bedfellows

Actually, the McGovern thing isn't a total surprise. The guy IS a World War II vet.

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[Sly Kal]

6. I think McGovern is an oddball

Just my opinion.

[BeyondGeography]

8. I said "many," not "all"

Anyway, you probably need to read up on George:

http://www.mcgovernlibrary.com/george.htm

[Sly Kal]

24. I didn't say I was "all" Clark supporters did I?

I said "I" thought he was an oddball. I'll choose my own reading material thank you for your kind suggestion anyway.

[edzontar]

26. Thank you for beinh onest about your position.

I noticed how the loser leftist McGovern suddenly became St. George this week.

Strange days indeed.

[KC21304]

27. But that " loser leftist " Mc Govern was absolutely right, wasn't he ?

And a WWII bomber pilot to boot. I am really tired of seeing Mc Govern and Dukakis debased by some on this board. I know it is not many, but just enough to tick me off big time.

[edzontar]

30. I agree with you...re McGovern in 72

I rather wish he had supported Kerry or Dean, though, in this round.

[cthrumatrix]

5. LOL....I guess you will be here tomorrow to add to that?

[Guaranteed]

9. Hee hee

I think a lot of folks are gonna have their bubbles burst come this evening.

[edzontar]

11. I hope so--in spades.

nt

[edzontar]

7. I feel so alone

The responses above just prove my point, of course, he said to the empty hall.

Does no one recalls the endlss barrage of threads comparing the "doomed loser" Dean to the "doomed loser" Mc Govern?

Oh, those were WEEKS ago now, I guess.

[Walt Starr]

10. Somne of us are still here

but are so fearful that anything we say will result in banning that we rarely post....

[edzontar]

12. I know the fear, Walt...the place has become a ghost town...

Kinda like visiting your old school and finding a hole in the goround--DU as Sunnydale High, post graduation, of course.

[LWolf]

20. I don't know.

The place seems to be hopping today; I see plenty of action happening.
I'm reading just as many new threads, and talking to just as many people, as usual.

Or is it just that, like a racehorse with blinders on, the rest of the pack is invisible to you? We've been here all along, believe it or not.

[edzontar]

23. Well there is lots of (very weird) DK news--that's for sure.

I am disappointed in him, frankly--

I thought he owed his supporters a clean run.

[bearfartinthewoods]

28. you do understand that this is a move to make sure DK has some

representation at the convention don't you?

[edzontar]

31. Yes--but it is still weird...

Old-fashioned politics, I guess.

[LWolf]

29. We're getting a clean run.

Dennis hasn't changed an ounce of his stance on the issues, and he won't. He hasn't all of a sudden buddied up with a previous enemy; he and Edwards have been cordial all along. As he indicated on the Daily Show months ago. There is nothing dirty here. It's the voters that will make the decision.

The commitment to Dennis runs deep among his supporters. This is a win/win for us.

[boxster]

15. You're misinterpreting the comparison. See response #13.

n/t

[BootinUp]

18. I'll respond

I HAVE compared the popular movements of the McGovern and Dean campaigns. I think the comparisons are valid. In other words the type of strong support they had was due to a similar populist message, anti-war type message. There are other similarities.

There are certainly differences as well. And I'll mention one of them. Dean is not the liberal that McGovern is. That would probably be to his advantage in the General Election.I think McGovern just got wupped by Nixon strategists. They put together some very effective tv ads for instance.

Anyways, I think you are reaching in your connection of election history and dislike for the man himself.

[boxster]

13. Reviles McGovern? I think you're misunderstanding the comparison.

I beg to differ. I doubt that you'll find too many instances of Clark supporters "reviling" McGovern.

Perhaps your assertion is related to Clark supporters (and many, many others) referring to Dean as the next McGovern. If so, you are confusing results with ideals and interpreting dislike where none exists.

People aren't comparing McGovern to Dean based on ideals. The Dean/McGovern comparison is based on an expectation of a similar outcome in their respective elections.

It's quite obvious to anyone that understands their stances that Dean is quite dissimilar to McGovern from a political sense.

[edzontar]

17. The relevant term was "doomed loser," of course...

And the sheer profusion of these threads in the recent past renders the irony of the endorsement rich, by any measure, or so it seems to me.

Strange days.

[boxster]

22. Irony is one thing. "Revilement" is another.

Yes, it is ironic that Clark has been endorsed by McGovern. But, your interpretation that Clark supporters were making the comparison out of revilement is misguided, at best, and as most of them would very likely tell you, completely inaccurate.

Do you think Clark supporters hate Mondale, too? That comparison has been made nearly as often. Oh, and don't forget Dukakis. Clark supporters must just hate that guy.

[edzontar]

25. I would love to tell you what i really think...

But the rules do not allow it.

[DemBones DemBones]

14. Only politically naive, single-issue supporters of

DK would be upset by this. No DU Kucinich supporters have expressed dismay, only DU Dean supporters, which is interesting.

Politicians have to work with people they don't agree with on many issues. This is an example of two who agree on a lot, though disagreeing about the war. Edwards and Kucinich are both concerned about the people of America who are not rich. They are both concerned about how taxes hurt the poor and middle class and how healthcare has become something for the rich. They are both strongly pro-union, both coming from union families. Each man grew up in poverty. They've gotten to know and like each other while campaigning,

Where's the problem?

I voted for McGovern -- the only vote I'm really proud of -- so I congratulate Clark on that endorsement. It is a plus for Clark in my book, one of the few endorsements I'd take seriously.

[edzontar]

19. I voted for McGovern too.

But I'll not supprt Clark, the general with the glistening medals, until he is the last one standing.

[goodhue]

16. not so strange

Except for Iraq vote, Edwards and Kucinich are not that far apart. At the Nodaway Diner in Greenfield on Friday, Edwards practically recited Kucinich's 10-point plan for putting the UN in charge of Iraq and brining our troops home as soon as possible. Edwards does not belittle an exit strategy as cut & run. And Edwards speaks about about defense contractor profiteering. Dean in contrast has suggested that our troops will be in Iraq for years and is unwilling to discuss cuts in defense spending.

As for McGovern, no suprise. Its all a part of Dean Act II--The Endorsements, brought to you by Joe Trippi. Clearly, the first Act played better.

[edzontar]

21. Strange enough--given DK's statements that the war is THE issue..

And the responses on the DK blogs have been much more varied and spirited than what I read here.

[edzontar]

32. So everyone wants to engage on the DK or Clark issues...

Which kinda proves my point.

[BootinUp]

33. too cryptic for me

care to elaborate?

[edzontar]

34. I mean there are very few Dean supprters left on this board...

It is pitiful..and a testament to the destructive and corrosive power weilded by a handful of disruptors.

[BootinUp]

37. even if your perception

was accurate, the reasons may not be. Thats about all I'll say, feel free to blame whomever.

[KoKo]

Yes, looking around this last week.....I think what you say is true. I

didn't want to believe it and since I've wavered between Dean/Kucinich, but given to both, I've not been "partisan." But, it's a lonely place.

And one needs to wear a flame proof to get past the "gleeful digs and jibes." It's like watching "Crossfire" being around here.

But, then I would be accused of "pitiful whining," because my candidates
are supposedly "going down" tonight. And, those I don't support are on the road to Election with smooth sailing.

[returnable]

35. Yeah, it's almost as ironic...

...as Dean supporters going ga-ga over the endorsement from pro-IWR Tom Harkin.

Or as ironic as Dean supporters embracing the endorsement of the DLC/centrist poster boy Al Gore.

Or as ironic as folks bashing Michael Moore for his support of Nader, while at the same time embracing Molly Ivins, who also supported Nader.

Yep, strange days indeed :eyes:

[formernaderite]

36. pretty strange indeed....but this is a caucus

I know it's pretty strange to me too....as a dean supporter Dennis was my second choice. However, this is Iowa and the caucus primarily serves to cull the field of candidates. Whoever wins here is in no way guaranteed of moving up the food chain...it's going to be a long primary.

[Piperay]

38. McGovern isn't 'reviled'

by Clark supporters, I have never reviled him. I have enormous respect for the man and not because he endorsed Clark, I love and respect him no matter who he endorsed. I have a fear regarding all the Democratic candidates that 2004 is going to turn into a rout with chimp winning in a landslide just like what happened in 1972.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

39. Dean is not a TRUE Progressive. That's why he can't get their support.

n/t

[jpgpenn]

40. "the former Dem candidate most reviled by Clark supporters" WHAT?

Where do you come off with a line like that? post anything, be it news article, DU post, anything that backs this up.