Will Dean Supporters support the nominee if it is not Dean?

[cindyw]

I think they will. I think Dean people care as much about beating Bush as all of us. To put up posts suggesting that in the end anti-Dean people would support Bush is unfair just a unfair as suggesting that Dean supporters do not care.

This is the primary people. To act like it is over or to act as if Dean has this locked up is to ignore the history of primaries. Stop asking for a loyalty oath every day.

I personally will all that I can to insure that Dean is not the nominee. We should stop trying to make sure that supporters of other candidates get on their knees everyday for Dean or any of the candidates.

Embrace the primary process, ignore the Republicans and may the best (wo)man win.

Here is one person we are ALL fighting for:

Why BUSH and CHristmas sucks

tired of being poor

By tylorcst
Posted Sunday, November 30, 2003 on tired of being poor
Discussion: Politics

How can Bush send Billions of dollars to Iraq when people here are below the poverty level? I drive a 20 year old car and I live paycheck to paycheck. Now christmas is coming. I keep hear on the commercial that it is the "the most wonderful time of the year" For who? Not for me and my family. This has alway been a problem with being a single mom. Christmas rollls around and there is no money to buy anything. I have actually considered being a prositute just to get some extra money. Yeah God bless America. My daugther was watching E! channel and saw all the people who were rich. She told me that she wished we had money. I feel worthless. This is suppose to be the Richest country in the world. Well then why are so many of us living below the poverty level. We are so worried about what is going on outside our country that we dont take care of our own people. When election time comes around I am voting against everyone of those * that voted to send that money over to Iraq.

http://tylorcst.joeuser.com/index.asp?AID=1843

[HFishbine]

1. "all that I can to insure that Dean is not the nominee?"

All? Anything? Whatever is necessary? Will you promote the Bush-manufactured fear? Will you lie? Will you deceive? Some indeed seem prepared to stop at nothing. I'm sure you're above that.

[cindyw]

10. Love how you missed my point.

But you can be sure that my moral fiber will stay intact in this primary. Say what you will about me, but I feel he is wrong for the Presidency. I will fight anyone to the end in times like this and yes that includes Bush in the General. You would be lucky to have people like me on your side in the general. There are many people like me here, who support all the candidates and I look forward to working with them, but this is the primary, not the general.

edit: to add message.

[JVS]

32. If you fight too hard in the primary, you'll have no friends come...

the General election.

[poskonig]

2. Absolutely.

No ifs ands or buts. Even Lieberman.

[Scott Lee]

3. You seem to be odds with your own post, cindyw

You start it off with this "all for one one for all" against Bushhole cheerleading, then go on to say you will do "ALL" in your power to see that Dean is not the nominee.

I see I am not the first to point out this glaring contradiction to you. Care to address that?

[poskonig]

7. Good observation.

I, for one, will not being doing "all in my power" to take down other candidates. Talking a little smack online is the worst I will be doing. In public I always make an effort to say positive things about all of the candidates.

I mean, who seriously meets other supporters in public and starts trashing their candidate?

[Zinsipperlover]

4. Yes, Bush is the real enemy

My preference is Dean, but I do not spend my time bad mouthing other DEMS and their supporters because IMHO it only makes Bush's job easier in 2004.

So Yes, I will vote for any DEM, but admittedly a difficult time for Lieberman who should rethink which party he really belongs to.

[IndianaGreen]

5. The war is the litmus test

I don't think any of the prowar Democrats will win the nomination. If Dean does not win it, I am 100% certain that Wes Clark will. The situation you described is increasingly becoming implausible.

The 2004 Democratic nominee will come from among the antiwar candidates: Clark, Dean, Kucinich, Mosley-Braun, Sharpton.

[citizen snips]

6. They should.

Any Democrat should support the nominee.

[IndianaGreen]

47. Not when they support PNAC

No way I am voting for a warmonger for President!

Lucky for us that none of the prowar candidates appear to be likely to win the Democratic nomination.

If Dean falters, we have Kucinich.

If Kucinich falters, we have Clark.

If Clark falters, we have Mosley-Braun.

If Mosley-Braun falters, we have Sharpton.

If all of them falter, we are truly doomed!

[Patriot_Spear]

8. Yes. n/t

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

9. Check my posts on other threads

I try to say positive things about other candidates (I've been cheering Clark's attacks against the chickenhawks, for example), and ask questions to find out more about their positions. Although I favor Dean for many many reasons, I plan to support the Democratic candidate for President. To have Bush win a term in office will cause the downfall of our country, imho.

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[robbedvoter]

13. Attaboy! This post and the ABD threads I saw before, confirm my creepy

feeling I had before when I read this:
"
> Commenting on Wesley Clark's possible candidacy in an
> interview with L.A. Weekly, Dean explained:
> "It's going to be very hard to start late," he says, "and think
> you're going to do well in Iowa and New Hampshire. It's going to be
> incredibly hard. I mean, we've already got 39,000 people working for
> us all around the country ... I really do believe--and I think about
> this--I want to get this nomination, and if I don't ... these kids
> are not transferrable. I can't just go out and say, 'Okay, so I
> didn't win the nomination, so go ahead and vote for the Democrats.'
> They're not going to suddenly just go away. That's not gonna
> happen."
> --
> http://www.laweekly.com/ink/printme.php?eid=46660

[flpoljunkie]

18. Comments like these from Dr. Dean validate George Will's claim today Dean

will seek to run as an independent, if he does not win the Democratic nomination. And what about this from Dr. Dean..."Okay, so I didn't win the nomination, so go ahead and vote for the DEMOCRATS." WTF does Dean mean by this? Doesn't he consider himself a "democrat"?

Thanks, robbed voter, for posting this link. I had been searching for this Dean quote unsuccessfully. It is telling indeed.

[poskonig]

20. Nonsense.

How many times does Dean have to say he is a committed Democrat and *will* support the nominee? Unlike **others**, Dean has never fundraised for the Republicans, doesn't shill for Bush's foreign policy, etc., has voted for people like Gephardt (as opposed to Reagan and Nixon) in the past, so I'm surprised people would attack Dean from that angle.

[flpoljunkie]

21. No one asked asked Dean to explain these words from his own mouth

"I really do believe--and I think about this--I want to get this nomination, and if I don't ... these kids are not transferrable. I can't just go out and say, 'Okay, so I didn't win the nomination, so go ahead and vote for the Democrats.' They're not going to suddenly just go away. That's not gonna happen."

[poskonig]

27. Dean has stated **many times** that he will support the nominee.

1) This is easy to understand.
2) Dean historically is a loyal Democrat.

I know some people feel bad their candidate has Bushlite tendencies, but don't take it out on Dean.

[TLM]

49. Once again the Dean bashers' claims are proven bullshit...

Dean was talking about the greens and Indi voters who support him, but absent Dean as the nominee would vote 3rd party. As for the bullshit claim Dean will run as an indi.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/04/lkl.00.html

KING: New York City, as we go to some calls for Governor Howard Dean, hello.

CALLER: Hi. Governor Dean, I have been so impressed by you ever since I saw you on "Meet the Press." And I'm going to my first Dean meeting this week. And my question for you is that many Democrats believe that if not for Ralph Nader staying in the election that we wouldn't have George Bush as a president.

So my question to you is, if you do not get the Democratic nomination, will you still run on the independent ticket?

DEAN: No, I will not.

CALLER: If so, how will that impact the upcoming race?

DEAN: I will not run as independent. I will support the nominee. It is essential that George Bush not be re-elected for the future of this country. It is essential for our economy. It's essential, so we can regain the respect we had around the world. And I will under no circumstances run as a third party and independent. I will back the nominee. I hope I am the nominee because I can bring about half those votes that voted for Ralph Nader back into the party. That's how we are going to win. And I think at this point there is no other evidence that any of the other candidates can do that and I think that's why I'm the most likely to beat George Bush.

[TLM]

45. What he means is very clear if you quote more than one sentence.

Dean was talkin about the greens and the folks who think the democratic party and the republican party are the same. Dean is talkign about the folks who already vote 3rd party but are coming back and are willing to vote for Dean.

If Dean doesn't get the nomination, those folks will not just go and vote for the status quo deomcorat who does. That was Dean;s point, and as ususal he's right.

Guys like Kerry, Clark, and Gephardt will not get the left end of the party... Clark would be lucky to even get the democratic base.

[TLM]

50. That simply is not true...

See the CNN transcipt quoted below.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. I will vote for Dean, Clark, Kucinich, Sharpton or Mosely-Braun.

I will not vote for Kerry, Gephardt, Edwards or Lieberman. Fortunately, I don't think any of them have a chance in hell of getting the nomination.

I'm a lifelong Democrat but I'll have no problem voting Green in any of the four Shrub-buddies get it. Despite their protests that they didn't really mean it and their disengenuous surprise that bush lied.

[cindyw]

14. That's unfortunate you will go green.

n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. As I said, I doubt very much that I'll have to.

The fatuous four don't seem to have a chance.

[kayob1]

37. I'm with you!

[Padraig18]

15. I will, without hesitation.

ALL of our candidates are a ten-thousand fold improvement on GWB.

[cindyw]

43. All I ask is that we stop demanding a blood oath from each other

every time people criticize each others candidates. Like I said, I don't like Dean, but I will vote ABB. What I don't like is being asked a hundred times to get on my knees and ledge an oath for unity or be branded a Bush supporter.

[dsc]

52. and who started this thread?

and whose supporters are asked to support the nominee?

[onehandle]

16. ABB, Baby!

Any Democrat, period.

Stay home or vote third party and you've put Bush back in office.

[msanger]

19. I certainly will.... but

it sure would be easier to get enthusiastic about some of the other candidates if their supporters spent more effort "supporting them" rather than tearing down other candidates.

That is just my take on it. We are all ABBB. It would be good to remember that when attacking a candidate, or their supporters.

[quinnox]

22. If Dean loses, watch for a third party candidacy from him in 2008

If Dean loses the nomination, and Bush is somehow re-elected, in 2008 there is a possibility that was recently raised in an article that Dean will not dissolve his network of supporters and fundraising, that he will keep it all in place so in order to form a new party and a new run for the White House in 2008.

Dean, the New Nader?

[Forkboy]

25. lol

biterness is so unbecoming.

[quinnox]

28. Hey, it's hard for me to believe how big Dean's ego is too

but I wouldn't put it past him. I mean, Dean sounds like he is the only one who has a record of accomplishment, or so he says.

[Forkboy]

29. I can almost feel your tears

as you type.

[quinnox]

31. No tears, Dean isn't that important

and will likely end up a minor footnote in history. Who remembers Jerry Brown's run? (another failed former Trippi candidate)

[Forkboy]

33. He's obviously important enough

to be bothering you.Too bad Kerry isn't as important as Dean seems to be,eh?

[flpoljunkie]

26. Quinnox, read post#23 from robbed voter, if you haven't already.

It speaks to the possibility of a third party candidacy from Dean in 2004.

[TLM]

48. Took me all of two f-ing minutes on google to find proof that's bullshit

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/04/lkl.00.html

KING: New York City, as we go to some calls for Governor Howard Dean, hello.

CALLER: Hi. Governor Dean, I have been so impressed by you ever since I saw you on "Meet the Press." And I'm going to my first Dean meeting this week. And my question for you is that many Democrats believe that if not for Ralph Nader staying in the election that we wouldn't have George Bush as a president.

So my question to you is, if you do not get the Democratic nomination, will you still run on the independent ticket?

DEAN: No, I will not.

CALLER: If so, how will that impact the upcoming race?

DEAN: I will not run as independent. I will support the nominee. It is essential that George Bush not be re-elected for the future of this country. It is essential for our economy. It's essential, so we can regain the respect we had around the world. And I will under no circumstances run as a third party and independent. I will back the nominee. I hope I am the nominee because I can bring about half those votes that voted for Ralph Nader back into the party. That's how we are going to win. And I think at this point there is no other evidence that any of the other candidates can do that and I think that's why I'm the most likely to beat George Bush.

[poskonig]

30. If Dean loses in 2004

he'll be endorsing Gore in 2008. :kick:

[RetroLounge]

34. Yes, but I will not tell you what article or where

or give you a link, because I just make shit up in my Dean-hating posts and all the sheep will follow me and hate Dean also.

[chocolateeater]

23. Yes, of course n/t

[Egnever]

24. Of course

Dumb question

[LoZoccolo]

35. No, I won't support the other candidates.

My whole point in supporting Dean is so that the Democrats lose another election. Why would I vote for them?

I'm glad you switched gears in the middle of your post to imply that it will be even more difficult for the single mom in the story if Bush wins - it drove home the point for me that I'd like nothing more out of this election than to see life get harder and harder for her and her child.

:eyes:

[dd123]

36. The more posts I see like this, the less likely it is. n/t

[cindyw]

39. I made this post in response to another on that asked the opposite.

Would the anti-Dean people support Dean or Bush.

I know that all of us will come together after the primary. I was making a point. You can take my post as the opposite of what it is if you like.

I suspect you replied before reading it in it's entirety.

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[drfemoe]

40. the list grows

[cindyw]

42. That's funny I was just remarking on the pro-Dean bias.

Maybe we're both wrong.

Listen, my point was that we should not be asking other people's supporters to sign some pact. Let the primary happen and stop asking for some pledge. I know that all will do what is right in the end, but we have to allow people to have their dignity. Even if their candidate is not doing well or if they do not appear.

I for one will not demand than anyone's supporters admit they will support Kerry. I just have faith that Democrats will come together to beat Bush. Why must we always castigate each other with demands for unity. I'm asking for some understanding of the primary process.

[thissideup]

41. I believe many Dean supporters will go 3rd party

[TLM]

44. I personally will all that I can to insure that Dean is not the nominee.

Dean is the dem who is winning, has the most support, and the most momentum, and he has the best chance to beat Bush.


To openly state you'll work to undermine the democratic frontrunner, means EXACTLY that... you're supporting Bush. You are not workign to promote your guy... rather as you admit you are working to undermine Dean. That's a big, and frankly disgusting difference.

There's nothing Bush wants more than to take out the dem frontrunner... and you're happy to help him.

[MODemocrat]

46. I will support the democrat who's nominated

We have some great candidates in the democratic party, and I refuse to be a poor loser if my candidate should not be the nominee. :thumbsup: :hi:

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[Myra]

53. Thank you for this post cindyw

I'm very tired of the daily posts demanding to know if
supporters of the candidates will *vote for Dean...*.
It's seems strategic and heavy handed. But if they will be an
unfortunate fact of daily DU life, at least we can have some balance.

Thanks for both parts of your post in fact.
The attachment/link is excellent. And sad...

[Myra]

58. Kick

eom

[bowens43]

54. As long as it's not Clark....

Clark is the only current candidate that I won't support. If Clark gets the nomination, I vote Green, if there is no Green on the ballot I vote Socialist, no Socialist, I stay home.

[arewethereyet]

55. I actually think that they will

but probably not till its too late to do any good.

I really hope I'm wrong, Edwards will need some help taking Bush down.

[slinkerwink]

56. of course! ABLB

Anybody but Lieberman and Bush!

[clarknyc]

57. Of course! Of course!

Of fuckinggoddamned course. Having said that, I'm tired of these insinuating, divisive questions. Aren't you?

[cindyw]

59. Yes, that was kind of my point.

I think we all know that we will all come together. I think we should stop asking each other for these oaths.

[Scott Lee]

60. "I personally will all that I can to insure that Dean is not the nominee."

can't forget that now, can we, cindyw?

All for one and one for all *chuckle*

[ibegurpard]

61. I spent hours on the telephone during the 2002 elections

promising that Max Baucus would not touch their medicare. That sonofabitch made a liar out of me with his not-only-support but CRAFTING of the recent Medicare "prescription drug" abomination. I would vote for the asshole again, though. Why? Because my loathing of sell-out Democrats is exceeded only by my disgust for fascist Republicans. A third party is not an option for me unless it can win. All of this goes the same for the 2004 election even if I have to shower after stepping out of the voting booth.