Iowa means IWR vote not Important

[windansea]

75% of Iowans oppose decision to go to war

but Kerry leads...Edwards second

[jpgray]

1. I wouldn't say that, I'd say electability trumps IWR (nt)

[windansea]

2. that too n/t

[mot78]

4. Makes sense

But whoever we nominate has to be able to defend his stance against Rovian accusations of waffling.

[jpgray]

10. Kerry has been oft accused of being "Senator Waffle", and he's in front

At this time of counting, anyway.

[onecitizen]

8. I agree with you jpgray..........

they are voting bush out of WH, not voting someone in......sort of.

[MoonRiver]

That's the ticket.

Many of US were furious about IWR, but getting the instigator of all the horror our country has experienced for 3 long miserable years is the most important thing. PERIOD, PERIOD, PERIOD.

[windansea]

16. yep...

:dem:

[Leilani]

15. Right

And it's also what is the way to criticize the war.

[Rowdyboy]

3. Thankfully

Maybe we can begin healing our intraparty differences. Its time to move on.

[windansea]

6. hope so!! n/t

[IndianaGreen]

5. Don't cry in November!

IWR vote is important!

[windansea]

11. according to Buckeye Dems

not!

[HumanPatriot]

7. im truly dissapointed that that is true...

My lord. I realize now this is no longer my country...the one I grew up in.


May wes clark then win or a bush enabler.


Where is my poison and round trip ticket to haiti?


I have thrown in the american towel. Love it or leave it: I finally can agree with this statement.

[windansea]

31. yikes

Haiti over Costa Rica??

[Feanorcurufinwe]

9. The position that so many here insist is incomprensible

is clear and consistent to the voters.

[Nashyra]

13. Clark, Kerry, Edwards and Dean

in New Hampshire. This will be a good contest.

[loyalsister]

37. Or they only heard half his message

The part they liked. The only people who actually listen to him and buy his justifications were avid supporters in the first place.

[Clark4VotingRights]

12. Not true

Twas a heated topic

[windansea]

25. yes it twas....

but apparently not make or break

[Clark4VotingRights]

30. Sorry trying to type w cat asleep on right arm...

ugh

[windansea]

38. twas is a viable word

twas the night before New hampshire

:)

[Guaranteed]

14. Some might also draw conclusions as to the intelligence

of the Democratic constituency. And, even as I truly hate to do that, the facts are staring me in the face. Can SOMEONE explain to me why someone who is against the war would vote for someone who authorized the war?

[vi5]

17. Because it's not the ONLY issue people vote for....

Why is that so hard for people to comprehend?

[jpgray]

18. Because they want to beat Bush

And they are voting for the person who does it. For myself, I never assume I have intellectual superiority over the population of Iowa.

[windansea]

19. I am sure many Kerry/Edwards supporters can n/t

[Leilani]

21. Because they liked them

I think the voters see all candidates as being critical of this war, but they are voting on electability & likeability.

Also, remember, Kerry & Edwards have FP experience & it matters.

[sallyseven]

NBC said tonight

that Kuchinch i going to throw his support to Edwards if he doesn't get 15%..Kerry doesn't waffle. Read what really happened. bush lied to them and so did the FBI and CIA. he could not have left vulnerable.

[fishguy]

20. Kerry didn't waffle when he fought in Vietnam

Unlike *

[IndianaGreen]

24. The Vietnam Kerry is not the Kerry running now

And Kerry has waffled all over the place on the war issue.

[mb7588a]

22. not only is it not important,

the Senators' votes were fundamentally misunderstood from the beginning. It was NEVER a blank check.

[isbister]

23. Iowa vote means folks paid attention to Kerry's consistent stance

and saw through the misleading statements by the media and other candidates.

The numbers look to be showing that Kerry's winning a large share of the anti-war vote.

[Skip Intro]

26. Nope. And Kerry has said he was lied to.

Kerry has backed away from his vote in several ways - saying that he was lied to by the bush regime, saying that the resolution was to get UN approval. I don't know if these are his "official" stands as of now, but its what I remember him having said recently. If I'm confused on this, I offer my apologies and would welcome some clarification.

Otoh, what I've heard Edwards say is much what I've heard Gep and Lieberman say, which is that invading Iraq was the right thing to do. Again, apologies offered and clarification welcomed if I'm in error here.

I do not see how we can damn bush for lying us into a war, and support someone who holds the same views. How can we turn our backs on having the moral high ground on this issue?

[windansea]

27. good questions n/t

[milkyway]

28. Kerry complains that he was tricked by Bush*...

If he becomes President, it's a good thing there's no bad guys in the world that might try to trick him.

[George_Bonanza]

35. Iowans believe that Kerry will do something different

Is the IWR more important than health care, taxes, education, or the environment? It is important, and no doubt Kerry is still bothered by people for his vote, but in the overall scheme, being so focused on one issue can blind you to the other qualities of the candidate. Why Iowans are supporting Kerry is because they see in him somebody who has made a mistake, but also a person who's smart and dedicated enough to fight for the right cause. His personal history shows his tremendous courage, and anti-war juggernaughts like Ted Kennedy are willing to trust John, and I think that makes an impact on voters.

While Kerry may have voted for IWR, he has opposed the way the war has went very strongly, if only in lip service (for the cynical one). But then again, the other "anti-war" candidate, Dean, is ALL lip service and no action about his opposition to the war. They COULD vote Kucinich, but realistically, there is no chance that a man who registers around 5% on most polls will be able to beat the Bush machine, with all due respect to the congressman.

[isbister]

36. clarification

We were all lied to, let's remember that, this is bush's war, not Kerry's

The resolution was to grant the President permission to use force if specific conditions were met. Don't believe me, read it for yourself:

http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/nea/iraq/text/1010res.htm

bush misled the Congress and the American people... by claiming that the IWR conditions had been met... in writing, in the hours before the war:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030319-1.html

Read what Kerry said at the time of the vote in October 2002 and Kerry's position will be clear. Read what Kerry said before and after the vote and his position is clear. Don't always trust what the tv and/or others are telling you... find out for yourself.

[milkyway]

29. Tonight shows what a wishy-washy state Iowa is...

We strongly oppose the war, so let's vote for a guy that supported it and is supposedly strong on national security.

[ShaneGR]

32. ELECTABILITY

Period.... the ABB movement is huge... and if your candidate is labled as someone who cannot beat Bush than you're in the tanker. IMHO.

[windansea]

34. yes...the turnout is an even bigger story!!

:toast:

[incapsulated]

33. Doesn't surprise me in the least, either

Short-term strategy that was bound to peter out longterm and be totally meaningless in the GE.

[mmonk]

39. I would hope its still an issue

America really hasn't had that conversation yet in any factual manner.