Demand Pelosi's resignation. She sold us out to Patriot II

[genius]

Nancy Pelosi led all but 8 of the Democrats in voting for Patriot II. Thank you Nancy. National ID cards. Mandatory jobs. Detention without trial. I bet most of them didn't bother to read the thing.


Note that Dennis Kucinich had the brains to vote against it.

Here's the list.


Ayes Noes PRES NV
Republican 152 67 8
Democratic 183 8 14
Independent 1
TOTALS 336 75 22




---- AYES 336 ---

Ackerman
Akin
Alexander
Allen
Andrews
Baca
Baird
Baker
Baldwin
Bass
Beauprez
Becerra
Berkley
Berman
Berry
Biggert
Bilirakis
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Blumenauer
Blunt
Boehner
Bonilla
Bonner
Boucher
Boyd
Bradley (NH)
Brady (PA)
Brady (TX)
Brown (OH)
Brown (SC)
Brown, Corrine
Burns
Burton (IN)
Butterfield
Buyer
Cantor
Capito
Capps
Capuano
Cardin
Cardoza
Carson (IN)
Carson (OK)
Carter
Castle
Chandler
Chocola
Clay
Clyburn
Cole
Conyers
Cooper
Costello
Cox
Cramer
Crenshaw
Crowley
Cummings
Cunningham
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
Davis (TN)
Davis, Tom
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
DeLay
DeMint
Deutsch
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Doolittle
Doyle
Dreier
Dunn
Edwards
Ehlers
Emanuel
Emerson
Engel
English
Eshoo
Etheridge
Evans
Farr
Ferguson
Filner
Foley
Ford
Fossella
Frank (MA)
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Frost
Garrett (NJ)
Gephardt
Gerlach
Gibbons
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gonzalez
Goodlatte
Granger
Graves
Green (TX)
Greenwood
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Hall
Harman
Harris
Hart
Hastert
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Hensarling
Herger
Herseth
Hill
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hobson
Hoeffel
Hoekstra
Holden
Holt
Honda
Hooley (OR)
Hoyer
Hulshof
Hunter
Hyde
Inslee
Isakson
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
John
Johnson (CT)
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, E. B.
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Keller
Kelly
Kennedy (MN)
Kennedy (RI)
Kildee
Kilpatrick
Kind
King (NY)
Kirk
Kleczka
Kline
Knollenberg
Kolbe
Lampson
Langevin
Lantos
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Latham
LaTourette
Leach
Lee
Levin
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (GA)
Linder
LoBiondo
Lofgren
Lowey
Lynch
Majette
Maloney
Markey
Marshall
Matheson
Matsui
McCarthy (MO)
McCarthy (NY)
McCollum
McCotter
McCrery
McGovern
McHugh
McIntyre
McKeon
McNulty
Meehan
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Menendez
Mica
Michaud
Millender-McDonald
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Moore
Moran (KS)
Moran (VA)
Murphy
Musgrave
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Nethercutt
Ney
Northup
Nunes
Nussle
Olver
Ortiz
Osborne
Owens
Oxley
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Pearce
Pelosi
Pence
Peterson (MN)
Peterson (PA)
Petri
Pickering
Platts
Pomeroy
Porter
Portman
Price (NC)
Pryce (OH)
Putnam
Quinn
Ramstad
Rangel
Regula
Renzi
Reyes
Reynolds
Rodriguez
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Ros-Lehtinen
Ross
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Ruppersberger
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Ryan (WI)
Ryun (KS)
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sanders
Sandlin
Saxton
Schakowsky
Schiff
Schrock
Scott (GA)
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Sessions
Shadegg
Shaw
Shays
Sherman
Sherwood
Shimkus
Shuster
Simmons
Skelton
Slaughter
Smith (NJ)
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Solis
Souder
Spratt
Stark
Stearns
Stenholm
Strickland
Stupak
Tanner
Tauscher
Tauzin
Taylor (MS)
Terry
Thomas
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Tiberi
Tierney
Toomey
Towns
Turner (OH)
Turner (TX)
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Upton
Van Hollen
Velázquez
Visclosky
Vitter
Walden (OR)
Walsh
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Weldon (PA)
Weller
Wexler
Whitfield
Wicker
Wilson (NM)
Wilson (SC)
Wolf
Woolsey
Wu
Wynn
Young (FL)



---- NOES 75 ---

Aderholt
Bachus
Barrett (SC)
Bartlett (MD)
Barton (TX)
Bishop (UT)
Blackburn
Bono
Boozman
Brown-Waite, Ginny
Burgess
Calvert
Camp
Chabot
Coble
Collins
Crane
Cubin
Culberson
Davis, Jo Ann
Deal (GA)
Duncan
Everett
Feeney
Flake
Forbes
Gallegly
Gingrey
Goode
Gordon
Green (WI)
Gutknecht
Hayworth
Hefley
Hostettler
Issa
Istook
Jenkins
Johnson, Sam
Jones (NC)
King (IA)
Kingston
Kucinich
LaHood
Lewis (KY)
Lucas (OK)
Manzullo
McDermott
McInnis
Miller, Gary
Mollohan
Murtha
Myrick
Neugebauer
Oberstar
Obey
Ose
Otter
Paul
Pitts
Pombo
Radanovich
Rehberg
Rohrabacher
Royce
Sabo
Sensenbrenner
Simpson
Smith (TX)
Sullivan
Sweeney
Tancredo
Taylor (NC)
Wamp
Weldon (FL)



---- NOT VOTING 22 ---

Abercrombie
Ballenger
Bell
Boehlert
Boswell
Burr
Cannon
Case
Davis (AL)
Davis (FL)
Dooley (CA)
Fattah
Hastings (FL)
Houghton
Jones (OH)
Lipinski
Lucas (KY)
Norwood
Payne
Rahall
Smith (MI)
Young (AK)

[Doomsayer13]

1. the high number of Republican noes leads me to believe

the Democrats were able to pull out some kind of concession in the bill, or else I don't seem them voting for it in this high of a number.

Hell, even BERNIE SANDERS voted for it. I guess we'll want him to resign too.

[bullimiami]

18. I know YOU havent read the bill

What is in it? Its odd that it has more democratic support than republican.

Pretty silly to start screaming and pouting until we see whats actually in there.

[Doomsayer13]

21. sarcasm

when I said we should oust Sanders, it was sarcasm. You illustrated my points exactly.

[PatriotGames]

36. That's what I was thinking. The Dems got something out of it.

[MrBenchley]

40. Not just Republicans...but the dregs of the GOP

But that's because this is the vote for the Intelligence Reform Act....

Eitehr somebody is sincerely and horribly misinformed, or they're deliberately spreading misinformation...

[genius]

53. Robert Byrd issued a statement of opposition ot the bill.

He pointed out that it was being rammed through and that no one was being given a chance to read the thing although it would have effects that would last for years to come.

[aquart]

2. Even my Nadler???

This sucks.

[shraby]

4. What in the hell did they vote for this thing for?????

They all took an oath to uphold the constitution.

[Doomsayer13]

27. Your Nadler voted for the Int. Reform Bill

How could he not!?!?!?!?

[JI7]

3. the Democrats are free to vote as they wish, why blame her for it ?

[Doomsayer13]

6. she's a convienient scapegoat

I think there's more to this than just the up-down vote. A lot of hard line conservatives voted against this bill.

[JI7]

11. yes, one thing we should never forget

is the bill's are never as clear as just what the title of it suggests. the votes often indicate whether there is more to it.

in any case it makes no sense to blame her for how democrats voted on it anyways, and certainly isn't reason to call for her resignation.

[InvisibleBallots]

41. she is supposed to be the "leader"

remember?

[aquart]

14. Leaders are supposed to lead.

That's what the job is about. If you lead your people over a cliff, you get the blame.

[Supersedeas]

35. yep, her sloganeering is getting tired--we need results.

[rman]

33. representatives are free to vote in accordance with the will of thepeople

-

[JI7]

49. it doesn't have to be in accordance with the will of the people

although the will of the people will count when they are up for election again and if the people want to hold them accountable for their votes by keeping them in office or voting against them.

[Quetzal]

5. And here I was hoping my two state represenatives

voted no on the bill.

Abercrombie and Case (D-HI).

Instead, they chose not to vote at all.

[WildClarySage]

7. Yes, we should never vote

for anybody who ever casts a vote we disagree with.

I realize this is a controversial vote, but isn't it more important to open a dialog on the subject to see why they voted the way they did AND discuss our disappointment with the vote?

[Quetzal]

8. Don't tell me Maxine Waters and Barbara Lee voted for it?

[zulchzulu]

15. Wow...that is lame

You'd think Waters and especially Lee could have figured it out.

[Doomsayer13]

16. maybe they know something you don't

[MrBenchley]

38. I don't know which is more tedious....

the threads vindictively attacking this or that Democrat for not being sufficiently left wing, or the threads screaming that we have top move to the right and pitch reproductive rights, gay rights, gun control, or some other moderate principle off the sleigh if we ever expect to win an election again.

By the way, did anybody notice that among the specimens voting "No" on whatever bill this is are some of the most dismal right wing fuckwits in captivity? Roscoe Bartlett voted no and so did Zach Wamp, and they barely qualify as anthropoids.

[el_gato]

42. What is more tedious is watching the country sink into a police state

while dipshits cheer it on in the name of "safety"

Why do so few people care about thier own freedom?

[MrBenchley]

43. Good thing we've got crap from neoNazi websites

posted here by "patriots" like you, gato.

"Why do so few people care about thier own freedom?"
Because so few sane people define "freedom" as "waving a popgun around while lying".

[Union Thug]

9. more evidence the democratic party no longer represents my values..

beliefs and political ideas.

Sad, but this registered Dem is inching closer and closer to leaving the party.

[ailsagirl]

10. I think Pelosi is fantastic-- but

I'd like to hear her reasons before I'd consider joining a movement to kick her out of office...

Harry Reid I'd gladly kick out

[Liberty Belle]

12. Filner vote for this? He's liberal on everything.

This is sooooooo bad!

[Doomsayer13]

13. Lee, Waters, Sanders voted for this bill

These three are smart the most progressive members of congress and they would not have voted for it if it did not contain major concessions to the Democrats.

[genius]

17. McDermott joined Kucinich & six other Dems to vote against it.

These guys are real heroes. This is on a par with what Feingold did in going up against everyone by opposing Patriot Act I, which Kucinich and McDermott also opposed. Those represented by these guys can be really proud tonight. Unforturnately, they can also be really scared about the future too.

[freeplessinseattle]

28. Yes, McDermott in "08!!

[Cheswick2.0]

44. many in congress more liberal than Kucinich voted for it

I think we should read the bill before we jump to conclusions.

[Freddie Stubbs]

54. Yet Feingold voted for this bill

Perhaps it is not as bad as some people are making it out to be.

[BansheeDem]

19. This is not Pelosi's fault ...

She can show leadership, but in the end each representative votes according to their belief on the subject at hand.

[housewolf]

20. The Bill

I've had C-span on all day long....

This bill was the bill re-orgainizing the intelligence agencies and setting up the National Intelligence Director (NID). It's the bill recommended by the 911 Commission and pushed heavily by the 911 families. The House passed it today. The Senate votes on it on Wednesday.

I believe the issues you are concerned about (national ids, etc.) actually are in the bill, although I must say that I am not sure - I haven't read it, myself, but I haven't heard any talk about those items. And the provisions that had been writen to expand law enforcement powers against illegal immigrants were stricken from the bill. It seems to me that calling it "Patriot 2" is a bit of a stretch...

The reason so many republicans voted against it is because the House version of the bill had contained a lot of illegal immigration regulations that many republican and democrat representatives opposed, and that language had to be eliminated from the bill in order to get it passed (this is the reason for the bill's hold-up over the past couple of weeks, and why there's been so much talk about it being "dead", and why the president needed to send a letter to Congress asking them to please find a compormise and get it passed). Other republicans voted against it on the principle that it expanded government bureaucracy.

The legislation would:
Create a new national intelligence director.
Establish a counterterrorism center.
Set priorities for intelligence gathering.
Tighten U.S. borders.
It would implement the biggest change to U.S. intelligence gathering and analysis since the creation of the CIA after World War II.

The bill also included a host of anti-terrorism provisions, which would:
Allow wiretaps of "lone wolf" terrorists not associated with groups or states.
Improve airline baggage screening procedures.
Increase the number of full-time border patrol agents by 2,000 a year for five years.
Impose new federal standards on information that driver's licenses must contain.

If you want to blame someone for this legislation, blame the 911 families - this is an example of citizen activism in action. They have been relentless in lobbying Congress to get this thing passed.

[WCGreen]

22. People are confusing a national ID

with some national standards being set for state issued Drivers Licence....

This is designed to catch illegal immigrants, make it harder for them to get a drivers licence....

Also, it would stop people convicted of drunk driving to state hop and get a different license for each state...

Granted, that doesn't happen all that much but still, it could prevent some drunks from driving legally.....

[Radical Activist]

25. I was skeptical about this being PATRIOT 2

Thanks for clearing up the confusion caused by the title of this thread.

[They_LIHOP]

32. I don't think all this is what EITHER group asked for...

Don't tell me, did Ron Paul vote against it? If Kucinich AND Ron Paul are against something, I am 99% POSITIVE that it is a SH*T idea. PERIOD.

Folks, in my opinion, this may well BE Patriot II, just like the poster says. Think about this one line alone:

Allow wiretaps of "lone wolf" terrorists not associated with groups or states.

You DO realize what this COULD mean, don't you? It COULD mean: GUESS WHAT? The GOP could well have SLIPPED in a bunch of stuff from the PAII. NO GROUP OR STATE you are saying it says? TO ME, THAT MEANS YOU, that MEANS ANYONE!

Remember, the Dems (perhaps foolishly, and perhaps walking into yet another of Rove's traps) hung their hides on this bill by hammering the R's on this shit before the Election, and the neo-brigade may have answered by turning in the final draft right before the vote and F***ING the Dems over. THis would also explain why some of the libertarian/paleocon voted against it. It would explain bush's actions around it - he's given himself 'cover'.

He could also well have picked a group of people to BE in the 9/11 commission based on WHAT KIND of report he (well, I should say 'his handlers'/Rove/Cheney') thought this group would ask for. Shit, it could've been a setup all along, and that's why Cleland couldn't finish it up - he knew what was going on!

I believe we may well find out that in one fell swoop here, we have just lost our Constitutional Protection against Unlawful Searchs. All of us. I believe this could means it's GONE.

ANY of US citizens can simply be labeled a "lone wolf terrorist", and hence they are an 'enemy combatant', and that would mean that they lose all their constitutional rights. When you create this monstrosity of an intelligence gathering agency, whilst dropping our protections, and with GOP in charge of EVERYTHING? Are you KIDDING ME?

WE ARE F**KED PEOPLE, unless the Dems REALLY got more done than I've seen them get done in a LONG LONG TIME. I HOPE I'm wrong, and they did, but I have a bad feeling about all this. It's all clicking into place. I bet we did just get screwed with a bunch of PAII crap getting slipped in by the Cheney/Rove/Delay axis of evil.

It's perhaps re-written with more threatening (or perhaps innocuous, or orwellian, or all the above...) sounding names ('lone wolf' DOES sound insidious, doesn't it?) for all their clandestine New World Order programs, but I bet it's in there. They slipped in what THEY wanted. They knew they had Dems by the nuts because of what they said on this bill before the election. They were committed, period. Perfect time to pack in pork like this.

DAMN...

Payback's a bitch.

[zulchzulu]

50. Is someone who disagrees with the government a ""lone wolf terrorist"?

Yes!

Let's first go into their home WITHOUT A SEARCH WARRANT and WITHOUT A CHARGE.

Then BUG THEIR HOME without A REASON.

Then ARREST THEM.

Make sure they don't have LEGAL COUNSEL.

Then make sure not to tell ANYONE where they are being held.

Then HOLD THEM INDEFINITELY in a prison and not even let them know what the CHARGES of their arrest are.

TORTURE them if you want to get out information.

That's the "Patriot Act" in a nutshell. Stalin would be proud.

[T Town Jake]

23. Now Nancy Pelosi doesn't quite measure up...

...to your exacting standards. Nancy Pelosi, of all people - one of the most progressive Congresspersons on Capitol Hill, and the Minority Leader of the House Democrats. Even she, somehow, falls short in your horseshit equation of what it means to be a "real" liberal.

Yeah, right... :eyes: Get fucking lost.

[Supersedeas]

51. she's a fine progressive, but is she a leader?

[Leilani]

24. The reason there are Repugs voting no

& Dems all voting aye, is that Dems whipped their vote.

Republicans almost had a mutiny, so they let everyone vote their conscience.

The Repug leadership thought they would get about 20 nays, but it shows how unpopular it was.

Also, members didn't get a chance to read the bill. It was finished right before the vote.

[Doomsayer13]

26. Wait - This was the Intelligence reform bill

Nice way of being disingenuous. This was the vote on the overall intelligence reform bill. How could Dems not vote for this? It's the Republicans who are seen as the hard-line crazies for trying to hold up 9-11 commission intelligence reform.

[Jack_DeLeon]

29. What the Fuck, more Democrats voted for it than Republicans?

And more Republicans voted against it than Democrats? :crazy:

[Pepperbelly]

31. not patriot II ... intel reform bill ... more hyperventilating ...

at DU when they do not have even the most basic facts correct.

[Pepperbelly]

30. bullshit ... uber-neocons voted no ...

many liberals voted yes.

Patriot II?

I don't think so. You asserted it. Prove it.

[blackangrydem]

34. This is the same thing that happened with the first Patriot Act.

Then during election season everyone criticized it. Interesting that more repugs than dems opposed it.

Let's see how the Senate votes.

[InvisibleBallots]

37. with Democrats like this, who needs Republicans?

Hey Pelosi:

[MrBenchley]

39. Hey "genius" how come those voting "no" are such dummies?

Take a look at the list of those voting "no" and you'll see some of the stupidest right wing filth in captivity.

Jim "don't let the braqueros drive away from the farms" Sensenbrenner voted No.

Roscoe Bartlett is legendary for his lack of intelligence...he's about the only member of Congress who believes that "income taxes are unconstitutional" flimflam that gets run on really ignorant freepers.

Dana Rohrabacher....Tom Tancredo....Zach Wamp...Curt Weldon....Darrel Issa....Vrigil Goode...you're seeing the real dregs of the GOP there.

[genius]

45. Dennis Kucinich and Jim DcDermott are the two smartest men in Congress

Ron Paul (the Independent) has also been a strong suppoter of civil liberties. The Republicans who voted no are part of the group that oppose attacks on personal freedom. There is a split within the Republican Party about USA-PATRIOT. A number of Republicans now want to get rid of it.

[Doomsayer13]

48. This is the Int. Reform bill

These Republicans could give a damn about our civil liberties. They voted against it becuase it was against status quo.

[genius]

46. Here is the info on the original alert sounded by Ron Paul

As you can see there are a number of links to a variety of sources.
Forum Name Latest Breaking News
Topic subject Emergency Alert: National ID/Patriot Act 2 Legislation On Verge Of Passing
Emergency Alert: National ID/Patriot Act 2 Legislation On Verge Of Passing
Posted by theearthisround on Wed Dec-08-04 02:50 AM

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2004/07120...

At approximately 3:30pm today, Ron Paul's press secretary Jeff Deist called Alex Jones to warn him that the legislation that encompasses the national ID card and Patriot Act 2 provisions was on the verge of passing the House tonight.

Deist stated that the bill and what it means for America could be described in a word as 'tyranny'.

Deist's tone was the most frantic that Alex had ever known in his years of communication with Ron Paul's office. Alex made it clear how upset Desit was and that the situation reminded him of a 'war room atmosphere'. Deist and Ron Paul are desperate to mobilize the alternative media before the bill reaches the Senate tomorrow.

There is still a chance that we can shoot down the national ID card provisions before the bill is passed in full.

Deist went on to exclaim his disbelief at how the so-called conservative Bush administration had betrayed America and how Paul's colleagues on Capitol Hill were blindly going along with this and doing whatever Bush tells them to do without question.

For the past two days mainstream news articles have talked of a 'compromise' which was made with the few dissenting voices and that the bill would be steamrolled through.

However, those articles fail to mention the very worst aspects of the bill, instead pitching it as a mere reformation of intelligence communication and protocol.

PLEASE CALL YOUR LOCAL CONGRESSIONAL OFFICE RIGHT NOW AND VOICE YOUR OPPOSITION TO THIS BILL.

The bill is S 2845 or 'intelligence reform' and the sub-section with the national ID card provisions is 7212.

Tell your congressman to get the federal mandates for standardized drivers licenses out of the bill.

According to Deist, the bill would not only introduce the national ID card, but make it mandatory to have a job as well as setting up internal checkpoints in the USA.


Further

Action Alert from Ron Pauls Liberty Committee
http://capwiz.com/liberty/issues/alert/?alertid=6739451...

"If you were a member of Congress, would you vote "yes" on a 3,000 page bill that you never had a chance to read? Most reasonable people wouldn't. Most reasonable people would want to read and study legislation before deciding how to vote; especially legislation as monumental as the intelligence reorganization legislation or the so-called 9/11 bill."

Further

http://www.libertythink.com / Has the Nov 20 Draft of this Bill + analysis

http://www.libertythink.com/2004/12/exclusive-full-text...

# TITLE I: Establishes superpowerful National Intelligence Director lording over integrated foreign & domestic apparatus -- Detailed anaylsis
# TITLE II: Role of FBI in domestic intelligence
# TITLE III: Attack on financial privacy, including repeal of one PATRIOT Act sunset - more
# TITLE IV Data-mining of air passengers; codifying mandatory ID for air passengers; biometrics for govt agents in aviation system; more advanced screening hardware for airports: "walk-through explosive detection portals, document scanners, shoe scanners, and backscatter x-ray scanners"
# TITLE V: Cosmetic immigration reforms
# TITLE VI: Expands definition of "terrorist" even further, allows holding of "terror suspects" without trial; more spying on international transactions
# TITLE VII: table of contents, part one, part two -- Misc. pork for foreign muslim psy-ops; Misc. homeland pork & bureaucracies; biometric borders; integratred biometric screening system with drivers' licenses as biometric national ID cards
# TITLE VIII: Homeland Security satellites, human research

[Nordic]

47. I'll say it again here: WE NEED A NEW PARTY

I'm done with the Democratic Party.

They're no better than the Repukes. Worse, in a way because they're a bunch of spineless weasels.

One thing I hate worse than evil people are spineless weasels who enable them.

[Lone Pawn]

52. It looks like an even party split

Don't get too pissed off until we see the full bill in its final version.

[ShaneGR]

55. Ummm, this is the bill pushed by the 9/11 committee...

Fully supported by the 9/11 families. This contains some of the provisions originally found in what you're calling Patriot II, but many of the more hardline measures were removed including several of the surveilance measures. Most of this bill covers foreign nationals It's a far-ranging bill, which in the end gained more support from Democrats than Republicans (Remember, it was the Repubs that hung the thing up in the House).

I have read the 9/11 report, and there recommendations. Although I haven't read this bill entirely, I'm willing to garner that it covers most of the commissions recommendations.

Oh yeah, the national ID card thing. It does NOT require that, what it does require is a uniform code to be followed by all State Drivers licences. This makes a lot of sense in the long run, as it shouldn't be harder/easier for someone to get an ID in one state and not another. The 9/11 hijackers, except for three of them, all got their IDs under fraudulent circumstances.

[Padraig18]

56. It wasn't 'Patriot Act II', genius!

FFS!

:eyes: