I must admit it: REPUBLICANS are not that bad

[CatWoman]

REAL REPUBLICANS.

I watched Paul O'Neill last night on The Daily Show.

BTW: This was my first Daily Show viewing since the "election".

I was quite taken with Paul, and have nothing but respect for him.

Paul is a republican.

I don't know what you call Bush's goons, er, administration.

Assholes, fascists, idiots, warmongers -- but not republicans.

[bowens43]

1. He's in stealth mode.

[Fenris]

2. Corporate anarchists.

That's what I call them. They believe in economic anarchy.:)

:hi:

[CatWoman]

3. hey you!!!

:hi:

[Cats Against Frist]

43. No -- they believe in fascism, oligarchy, corporatism, cronyism

etc., but they don't believe in anarchism. They want the elite to BE the government.

[jpgray]

89. Corporate anarchists seek to strip all regulation from business

They aren't members of the Black Tea Society, if that's what you're thinking.

[Cats Against Frist]

94. Oh, I agree with you -- but I think that corporate anarchists are not

republicans. "Corporate anarchy" would denote corporate separation from the state. The current republican party is more corpofascist than anarchocapitalist.

[jpgray]

95. I get you now

I think they are more about corporate destruction of the state--tearing down the social programs, privatizing the military more and more, &c.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

4. We're not all crazy zealots...

I saw him too and he was great. He's also a Pittsburgher like me. He seems as horrified by this group of radicals as I am.

[CatWoman]

5. Hey, a republican!!!!!

:hi:

you are correct -- some of you guys can be quite cool. :D

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

12. Republican spotting on DU. Hi, I'm here and not crazy....

Love DU and think the radical right has pushed me to the liberal side. I've always been a social liberal (live and let live type) and a fiscal conservative. This administration is the polar opposite of what I believe. Paul O'Neil and I are not the only ones out here either.

[Bouncy Ball]

18. Oh then you sound very much like me

socially liberal and fiscally conservative, in that I believe in fiscal responsibility on the part of the government and balanced budgets, pay as you go, etc.

There's not much room for people like you in the GOP anymore.

Glad to hear you aren't the only ones. What do you guys do when it comes time to vote?

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

24. Voted Gore and Kerry...I saw the handwriting in 2000

Also vote AGAINST Santorum any chance I get.

[Bouncy Ball]

32. You're my kinda person!

:hug:

Santorum is a disgrace.

[kmla]

53. Pardon me, ma'am, if I may say....

if you walk like a duck, and talk like a duck, and swim like a duck - you're a duck!

:)

You are socially liberal - Democratic trait.
Fiscally conservative - Democratic trait.
Vote against Santorum, and for Gore and Kerry? Democratic traits.

Face it - you're a Democratic duck!

Quack along with the rest of us!

Quack! Quack! Quack!

*kmla flaps arms and starts quacking, making his neighboring cube-dwellers look at him with raised eyebrows...*

[rockymountaindem]

44. Please try not to take it personally when people around here go

Republican bashing and say things like "Repubs. = Nazis" and foolishness like that. I think that a lot of them don't know any Republicans, or the ones they do know are of the Neocon variety.

As I've said here many times, my best friend is a Republican. Not only is he a great person, but we also agree on many things (though not all). I keep trying to tell him he's a closet liberal, but oh well :)

If there's one thing we can be thankful for as a result of this administration, I think it's made a lot of Democrats realize how much we have in common with moderate/liberal Republicans.

So seriously, please ignore those people who think that everyone who isn't a liberal Democrat or a Green is our mortal enemy. This country need to hear from both sides, not just yours and not just ours. That's how it's worked so far, and I'm hoping it will stay that way.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

45. Thanks. I respect all the DUers & have had minimal flaming. n/t

[MADem]

59. Encourage "those" bad GOP-ers to use their laptops often

...it will cut down on their chances of reproducing.

Seriously! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4078895.stm#startcontent

He said any changes might be reversible, but that repetitive use of a laptop in this way might cause permanent damage.

"Until further studies provide more information on this type of thermal exposure, teenage boys and young men may consider limiting their use of laptop computers on their laps," he said.

There are good republicans...Linc Chaffee is one. Their party has been hijacked.

Wish the pendulum would hurry up and swing, before the world ends....

[gulfcoastliberal]

99. I love it! "Wish the pendulum would hurry up and swing, before the world

ends..."

Too late. We're all doomed!

[Bouncy Ball]

10. Hey there

So there ARE some of you who still have a heart...I know it's true, but damn, I'm having a hard time finding many.

:hi:

[Ripley]

13. Pittsburgher?

Is that a cheeseburger made by Pitt? I bet it would be laced with Johnny Walker. Very unhealthy.

Are you really a Republican? Why? I'm an Independent.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

23. Liked the fiscal conservative initially when I joined but...

There's "pay as you go" government, which I support, and then there's this totally irresponsible spending of this Republican POTUS/Legislature. Also, the radical right has totally taken over the party and look to demonize and demoralize anyone in society who isn't exactly like their imaginary ideal American.

[mhr]

36. I Truly Wish More Republicans Would Speak Up

Is there something holding people back - fear of party retribution?

I am at a loss for why so many Republicans are not up-in-arms over the fiscal imprudence alone.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

41. In my circle of the world, more went for Kerry than Gore....

And as the Rep party keeps pulling to the far right, even more will vote Dem in the future. I hope B*shCo and the Rep Congress continue to spend like drunken sailors and appease the religious zealots...that'll bring the moderates around to the Dems sooner rather than later.

[Nordic]

50. So why aren't patriotic and real republicans speaking out more?

that's what I want to know.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

55. Dunno! Colin Powell, Rudy Guilliani were so disappointing to me. n/t

[Nordic]

56. Yeah, I know if my party was hijacked by radicals I'd be PISSED OFF

and speaking out and doing everything I could to get them out of power.

Why do GOPers not understand that their party has been hijacked by a bunch of gangsters who have absolutely no belief system other than lining their own pockets at the expense of the nation?

Why is it so blindingly obvious to us, but not to most GOPers?

Is it because they've been told to hate Democrats for so long, the goal is not to do what is right, but only to "beat" the Democrats?

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

61. IMHO, the "tax and spend" label really stuck over the years.

And there are a lot of moderate Republicans who believe that label. I wish I had some advice for the Dems on how to confront it with their own catchy, sound-bite phrase, but I believe they MUST address this issue to shake off that horrible label.

By the way, if Republicans looked honestly, they would realize that this admin/repub congress are the BIGGEST spenders of all.

[bobbieinok]

69. republicans are the 'borrow and spend' party

at least with taxes the burden is not all shifted to the next generations.....'out of sight, out of mind'

[Dark]

101. Our party has been hijacked, by the DLC.

[DemGirl7]

100. Well...

Most people with a conscience and any sense, do find the Bush admin. to be a bunch crazed zealots. As a Liberal to Moderate Democrat, I find some republicans not to be as evil as I would normally think they are.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

6. some republicans are not thugs

and even if you dont agree with their ideology you can atleast respect them.

but i vehemently do not agree with their ideology as leaving people in poverty in my opinion is morally corrupt.

[BlueEyedSon]

7. Don't forget Lou Dobbs and Richard Clarke.

[RafterMan]

22. Is Clarke really a Republican?

I thought so, but...

http://www.thatliberalmedia.com/archives/001748.html

I honestly don't know.

[BlueEyedSon]

29. Didn't he come up under repub admins?

He's probably a democrat now, but lets face it the neocons are not really republicans, they hijacked that party...

[Bouncy Ball]

8. You know Cat Woman

I was just thinking of posting the same thing.

I read his whole book (as written by Suskind) back when it first came out and I was impressed and kept having to remind myself this was a Republican.

From what I understand he ran Alcoa quite well. He truly cared about the employees and was never one of those CEOs only in it for the greed and power.

He has had a dream for years to go to Africa and dig wells for clean drinking water for people there.

And he ripped the bush administration a new one, both in his book and last night on TDS. I kinda expected him to go all mealy-mouthed about it and he didn't. He was pretty hardcore.

You know how I explain it? He is one of the OLD, real republicans. Remember back when we just had basic differences of opinions and we weren't completely HORRIFIED by the things the other party did?

Honestly, he fits more with the Dems nowdays and it wouldn't surprise me a bit to find out he voted for Kerry.

So there's one. Out of all of them. I'm hard pressed to think of another, besides John Eisenhower, son of the former President, who wrote an editorial endorsing Kerry just before the election.

This ain't your father's republican party, that's what I tell people.

[ragin_acadian]

15. They used to be called the Rockefeller Republicans.

[Bouncy Ball]

19. Heh, that's it! I was trying to think of the name, thanks!

[MuseRider]

9. This group

has made real Republicans seem very reasonable. Will I ever vote for one after this? HELL NO, but still, real Republicans don't seem half bad anymore.

[Bouncy Ball]

14. Yeah I still wouldn't vote for one

not even a really decent upstanding one like O'Neill if he ran on the rep ticket, because he'd still be representing the republican party as it EXISTS NOW. And it's absolutely craven the way it exists now, so no thanks.

If someone like him ran as an independent or a Dem I'd vote for them in a heartbeat.

[MuseRider]

27. It is funny how

this is turning out. We scream and rant about the seeming one party state we are in and with very good reason but when it comes right down to it I simply can't ever vote for another Republican and that narrows down our options. They have shown us that they are perfectly willing to sell us down the river for party control, even the ones that have seemed reasonable have caved in. I have no respect for them and in fact fear them because they lack courage to do the right thing for US. I don't think our party is a whole lot better than that, maybe some better, but as it stands right now I am concerned at the way things are going. Trends are being set and they are not good trends. We will see what happens but I will never cast my vote for one of them again, not for any office.

[Bouncy Ball]

34. I hear ya.

I am saddened by the same things.

(sigh)

[liberal N proud]

11. Not all republicans are bad ... Just misled

[quiet.american]

16. Republicans for Kerry

There were quite a few of them....

[ThorsHammer]

25. Definitely, I'm a moderate R who can't stand Bush (nt)

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

37. Hey, kindred spirit. Are we the only ones on DU...

I imagine more of "our kind" will come around as this administration continues to blow up the deficit and pander to the zealots. WAKE UP moderate Republicans and join the Democrat's fight for sanity!!!!

[ThorsHammer]

39. I think we are for now, but many more will come eventually (nt)

[Jackpine Radical]

54. An aside---

That would be Mjölnir, no?

[ThorsHammer]

98. Yes, great catch there, didn't expect anyone to know that (nt)

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

42. Had the Republican for Kerry bumper sticker on my car. n/t

[quiet.american]

48. Nice to see you all! n/t

[Patsy Stone]

17. Right. Republicans are not that bad.

These neo-con guys, they are the ones. If I was a gool old-fashioned conservative, I'd be PISSED! Give me back my party, now!

[JohnOneillsMemory]

58. But Repub party has been hardcore fascist since before 1964 when

the passing of the Civil Rights Act made the Republican party a bastion of KKK and segregationist-types who have used this country's apartheid system to threaten the health and safety of the whole world.

'Economic thrift' has long been a cover for eliminating the New Deal. The underlying argument has been:
"Screw the poor; they are drones and cannon fodder."

This didn't start with Bush*. It's hundreds of years old.

Glad some are catching up but they have caused unspeakable suffering by supporting the GOP apartheid movement overtly or by accident.

I understand a massive deception propaganda system is used to hide the swastika behind the GOP and I truly dowelcome those who finally get the scam perpetrated on them.

In the spirit of humor, I add this satirical holiday greeting I just received:

We should show by our thoughts
and our words and our deeds
That unity is just what our country now needs.
Let's all get together. Let bitterness pass.
I'll hug your elephant,
You kiss my ass.

[Patsy Stone]

67. Please remember also

that the Dems were good ol'fashioned bigots too. Dixiecrats = segregationists.

In my memory, only since Reagan and his Falwell lovin' bunch have I honestly believed their party had been hijacked. I'm not sayin' there weren't Jack-Booted Repubs running around before that, but when I was a kid we hated them because we believed in Federal oversight for social services and they believed that these things were better left to the states.

When I mean old-school, I mean Old School. Fiscal Conservative, Small Government, States' Rights Republicans. Not these new-fangled "more moral than you -- Jesus is the Chairman of the Board" Repugs.

Icky poo.

[mdhunter]

20. True. I can respect anyone who appears to have given an ounce of thought

to their political positions.

Nearly half of all Republicans I know, however, are simply knee-jerk, jingoist, easiest solution types. I wouldn't like these people whether or not the called themseleves Republicans, Democrats or anything else. It is a mindset that transcends, and shows how impotent are, party labels.

The difference between thoughtful Republicans and thoughtful Democrats, once you really get to the heart of most issues, is typically one of degree, not core substance. I, naturally, think, on any given position, where I draw the line is more appropriate, but to draw it in another location using similiar reasoning and framing... well, that's what makes life worth living.

[ThorsHammer]

49. Exactly, kinda like Kerry (nuance, reasoning) vs. Bush (yes/no); nt

[JohnOneillsMemory]

60. It should be called the Amygdala Party with"Fear,Fight,Kill" as the motto.

The amygdala is the part of the brain that doesn't think, it just reacts instantly to defend against POSSIBLE threats to survival.

It really is the 'pre-emptive war' part of the brain. How appropriate.

[demnan]

21. I have a respect for fiscal conservatives

hey Michael Moore said that Bill Clinton was the best Republican President we ever had.

[w4rma]

26. People like him enabled these whackos who are in control now.

And by not joining the Democratic Party to help defeat these whackos, they keep enabling them.

[ThorsHammer]

28. Many of us are still Republicans, but voted for K/E (nt)

[RafterMan]

31. He was the first to leave

and speak out against this administration.

People kept hoping Powel would do it...O'Neill actually did.

[Bouncy Ball]

35. Hear hear

O'Neill did stand up to them. Wrote a book with Suskind all about it, his whole experience with those shit for brains idiots. He could have just kept his mouth shut, led a lovely life and never invited the kind of criticism he got from his book, but he wrote it anyway.

And is STILL speaking out about bush et al. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if he voted for Kerry.

And personally I'm glad SOME reasonable voices who are republicans are speaking up, because their words tend to have more credibility with other "everyday" republicans. They don't have that knee-jerk "he's just being partisan" response.

[212demop]

30. Integrity, integrity, integrity...

O'Neil impressed me. I had no idea he is a Republican and I don't care. He was great and I admire him for not using political double-speak. He made sense and he doesn't shy away from criticising members of his own party he disagrees with. Good for him!

I think I'll be a little less shy about criticising dem politicos who've stopped fighting the good fight, or given up on their integrity and dem values from now on.

Thanks Paul!

[NoSheep]

33. I was very impressed by that interview. Seemed like he had a brain!

[madrchsod]

38. they used to be civil

john anderson in the 1980 election,who now would be a center left democrat. dickerson, percy from illinois were decent senators back in their day. the majority of republicans in the senate were at least civil. hell, tip o`neal and reagen got along...this country is as divided as it must have been before and during the civil war. it`s a race,generation,economic war waged by the power structure in the united states.

[bobbieinok]

70. your 'economic' is 'class' war????

[arcane1]

40. I can certainly respect some of them

I'd take Ron Paul as president, for example, ANY DAY over George fucking Bush!!!!

[robbedvoter]

46. O'Neal said Soc security and corporate taxes must go

Just for not being 100% fascists sold to BFEE doesn't make them good.
Read Blinded by the Right - David Brock will guide you through the shades of dark and darker.

[Catherine Vincent]

47. You know he's got to be decent...the way other republicans

trashed that man.

[progressoid]

51. I have a lot of Rep friends and relatives

Some see the party as being hijacked by these neocons, but others don't seem to want to address any of the neocon agenda. Maybe they are hoping it's just a phase. I dunno but it's a pretty dangerous agenda to ignore.

As a dem, one of the things I liked about reps was the idea of fiscal responsibility. But it always seemed to be lots of talk and no action. I think Reagan scored a huge hit with moderate dems with this notion. Sadly, he didn't come through. Now it's just completely ignored.

[Nordic]

52. this is why we need a new party!

We need a party of common sense values that gets us back to American ideals and away from this hate-speak and fascism.

There are a whole LOT of disgruntled repubs, as this thread shows, that want to do something.

This is driving me nuts. What's stopping all of us from joining together and taking our country back?

[Bouncy Ball]

82. I honestly can see that....

just for a moment....all thinking Americans who feel that what goes on between consentual adults should be private....all thinking Americans who want to uphold the Bill of Rights.....all thinking Americans who favor fiscal responsibility, balanced budgets, pay as you go, don't overextend yourself.....all thinking Americans who want to improve the economic situation for ALL Americans and not just the ones at the top with crumbs to appease the lower classes......we should cast aside our labels just long enough to join together and fight for America.

[patomime]

57. There is nothing wrong with.....

respecting an opinion of a Republican. However, the "mods" are few and far between, and just like this guy, unless they are able to "tow the party line" ---- they're out!

I hate to be so hard lined - but they must all go --- they've shown us nothing but disrespect and dishonor.

I do like this guy, but like and what someone will do are two different things.

John McCain is another prime example of someone who could've done something great. Unfortunately -- because he is so often the "beating boy" - I have found I can no longer go on respecting him, even though he was an officer and gentleman (I still do respect that). The fact that the repugs have used him and his friend, John Kerry ---- would've have made me switch parties a long time ago. Not him, he just takes a lickin' and keeps on ticking.

The beat goes on......:kick: :kick:

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

62. Agree about McCain...what a disappointment. n/t

[Zomby Woof]

63. fuck 'em all

The once promising Party of Lincoln and TR degenerated into the Party of Nixon and Reagan.

They can eat my shit, all of 'em. :hurts:

[dean_dem]

64. I think the deal with Paul O'Neil is that...

...he's more of a bureaucrat than a politician. And I know that term has been vilified a bit, but bureaucrats like O'Neil and Clarke are just trying to do the jobs they have been hired to do. Because they are under a Republican administration, they just get lumped with the Republican politics-minded idealogues (sp) that they work under.

Personally, I was very impressed by what I saw of O'Neils appearance on the Daily Show. And I would venture to guess that there are a lot more Republican bureaucrats out there like him, who are becoming increasingly disenchanted with the fact that their boss is ignoring the people like them who still have some grasp on reality while only paying attention to guys like Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Being constantly undermined by less experienced, fiercely ideological hacks has got to wear you down. And that's what O'Neil looked like. Worn down.

[buddhamama]

65. I don't respect him

but if I can find something nice to say/respect about the DINOS re: Bush enablers, why not a few republicans :shrug:

[Generator]

66. Liars and thieves? Or is that too nice? /nt

[Patsy Stone]

68. "Jack-booted Thugs" is where I'm goin'... n/t

[JPace]

71. I've gone through this thread and feel conflicted, small, mean....

unworthy as a person of better values than I can express over politics. I feel so offended by the repugs because of what has happened to our country in the last 4+ years that my belly rolls and churns with vile anger. I read all the posts here that welcome a moderate Republican and I don't have it in me to do the same :spank: (me punishing me). I've turned the channels when * is on so as not to waken my hatred, I even recently asked God to bless him (me throwing up)....nothing is working.

Any suggestions?

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

73. I understand...the Repubs in power now have made it easy to hate us...

But we aren't all Nazi's...really we aren't.

[JPace]

78. Grrrrrrrr......eeeeeeeek........wel well wellc wellco.....

(my subconscious making me make gutteral animal sounds trying
to get out a decent remark.....wel...welllll...wellcom.....oh
poop! I tried...just didn't work)

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

80. No problem...you tried. An 'A' for effort n/t

[CatWoman]

85. Well, I'm glad you're here, ModRepubinPA

:hi:

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

87. Thanks. n/t

[Bouncy Ball]

83. I hear ya.

I do a little prayer/meditation session every morning and I have just recently been asking that all the bitterness and anger in my heart be eased.

Problem is, will I still want to fight without the anger?

So I am very conflicted. I hear you. But for the past few years, I have wished I could FIND a republican who is respectable. I have found precious few, but where there are a few, there must be more.

There are some here on DU and I think they should be welcomed inasmuch as they essentially want the same things we do (I'm not talking about disruptors, that's a whole different thing....but there are legit republicans on here who are disgusted with bush and gang and did not vote for him....THAT I respect!).

[greenohio]

72. I guess there were nice Nazis too.

Still don't like em.

[MsMagnificent]

74. I'd agree IF

they would GET UP AND TAKE THEIR PARTY BACK FROM THE NEOCON'S

Republicans USED to stand for Small Government and Low Taxes -- Responsible low taxes.

THIS "Republican" president has out-spent whatever Democrats have spent, even can spend by a Long Mile!

As for taxes & spending
-- NEVER has this country gone to war while simultaneously CUTTING TAXES. Waging war is expensive, and (obviously) paid by the government. Instead, a humongous debt (and still rising) is gaily bestowed upon our future generations without a second thought.
-- The OldSchool Republicans NEVER would have bankrupted the country, then raised the debt ceiling encouraging still more irresponsible, and costly, spending. THEN advocate gambling (stock market) with whatever funds are left.
-- Bushit's tax cuts for the extremely wealthy still cut many Republicans out (although far more Dem's, admittedly), even more advancing what started huge spending: Reaganomics and it's fallacious "Trickle-Down" paradigm.

This NeoCON "Republican" administration and its posse are completely unrecognizable from the proud Republicans of yesteryear.

It is beyond me why they continue to let their party be hijacked other than no cajones
or fear.
Neither is a good excuse.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

79. Why do I want to "save" them from themselves???

I say let this Repub admin/Congress go as far right as possible and continue with their irresponsible pork spending. Show their extreme nature and wake up the moderates. Dems will win big. It's all a continuim...too far right will adjust, too far left will adjust. I just wish it would happen sooner rather than later.

[MsMagnificent]

90. Because they may trash "Republican Party" irretrievably

and I would hate to see Abe's beloved party go the way of the Whigs

Most Dem's are not against Republicans, believe it or not. Each party traditionally kept the other in check, that is a good thing.

Now? LOL What's the meaning of "check"?

Welcome to DU :)

[mogster]

75. Nice thread.

Good to see some friendly words about Republicans.

I bet many of them are noticing the changes in the Bush II administration, and are getting second thoughts. If they find friendly and cooperative democrats, they'll work with you to get rid of Bush.

The US society is very politicized, and only Bush stand to gain from a continued division of the American people.

[Malikshah]

76. You lie down with dogs

You get mange.

Sorry-- there needs to be an uprising in the Republican party.

Until that time-- all their names are mud.

[WilliamPitt]

77. My grandfather was a Republican

He was the best, most honorable, most intelligent man I have ever known.

[otohara]

81. Edit That to Republican

Paul is one guy -

[The Judged]

84. Theocratineocons?

[The Judged]

96. Theoneocraticons? "Nah, ain't simple 'nuff for me, howzabout, Lords?"

[JohnKleeb]

86. of course not

The world isnt so black and white.

[CatWoman]

88. for some reason, my mind is flashing to the SNL skit

with Eddie Murphy as Stevie Wonder, and Joe Piscopo as Frank Sinatra

[BradM]

91. I think that

We are all Americans and we are pulling on the same end of the rope by each doing what he/she thinks is best for our country.

http://www.topicsoftheday.com/

[AirAmFan]

92. Question is, how many Republicans say, 'Hey, Democrats are not so bad'

Democrats always have been able to wait out the likes of Daddy Bush, Ronald Reagan, and even Dubya. Whenever Republicans have seized power for the ultra-wealthy by any means necessary, we adapt. We'll even laugh at Dennis Miller's jokes.

But will the Republicans ever return the favor? Remember Clinton's impeachment?

When trillions of dollars in "tax cuts" for the very wealthy are at risk, along with "deregulation" that will let them steal trillions more from us on their own, Republicans tend to get ugly and stay that way until they're back in power.

That goes for smiling, seemingly reasonable corporate board members like Paul O'Neill too. When you own millions of shares of Alcoa stock, you tend to take Democratic threats to corporate swag personally. The smile fades pretty quickly when the conversation turns to excessive corporate power, punishing white collar crime, pollution, unions, healthcare, workers' pensions, unemployment benefits, etc.

[JPace]

97. You really have their number.....

They get ugly and stay ugly until they have all the power again!

"When trillions of dollars in "tax cuts" for the very wealthy are at risk, along with "deregulation" that will let them steal trillions more from us on their own, Republicans tend to get ugly and stay that way until they're back in power."

[Zorra]

93. I disagree. Anyone that still belongs to the republican party has to have

something seriously wrong with them.

It's like still being a Nazi after Hitler invaded Poland - you have to either be completely oblivious to reality, or very evil.