Woh, Dean's freaking out on CNN....

[ShaneGR]

I think this is why people started to shy away. All of the screaming and yelling is a bit much.

[MidwestTransplant]

1. I am beside myself right now.

[Democrats unite]

Thats putting it mildly.

eom

[Dookus]

2. LOL...

he sounds like an angry geography teacher.

[rumguy]

7. no cable here, please provide some more details

[Dookus]

15. he was shrieking the names of a bunch of states

and gesticulating wildly.

He's calmed down now. But it WAS pretty freaky.

[ant]

94. oh c'mon now

That was the only part of his speech that I saw, but he was laughing and having a good time. I'd hardly characterize it as angry and crazy or whatever else people are saying. He was shouting, "we're going on to New Hampshire, and then this state and that state and that state and then washington, dc where we'll take our country back!" or something. It was fun and exciting for the crowd, and he was very clearly laughing and having a good time. His face did get red, but you can hardly blame the man for what his skin does when he gets excited.

I missed the rest of the speech and only turned back when the panel was saying how that was the worst speech and "did you see how crazy he looked?" and blah, blah, blah. Maybe I missed the important part, but the part you cited didn't strike me as freaky at all.


Edit because Dean's face was red, not read.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

119. They should replay it tonight on MSNBC at 4 a.m. and C-Span

n/t

[MidwestTransplant]

18. Oh don't worry, it will be on the networks tomorrow for sure!

[Clark Can WIN]

22. Picture a psychotic truck driver headed full steam for a bridge abuttment

with enthusiasm.

[meow mix]

96. lol, spilled my coffee again

u ppl kill me =)

[Kahuna]

25. Very unattractive and manic display.

Acting like he won because he met his own expectations. Yeah sher babe. :eyes:

[Maddy McCall]

42. Yes, MANIC--that was the word I was looking for.

[Quixote1818]

65. Panic Attack

I have heard Dean has had panic attacks before. Perhaps that's what is going on.

[funky_bug]

24. Love ya, Dookus

That's EXACTLY what my husband just said! Word for word.

Great minds...???

[Dookus]

41. LOL...

really? He sounds like a cool guy :)

[ShaneGR]

77. More like a man on the edge

Even the crowd was visibily weirded out.

[mitchum]

83. HAHAHAHA

nice one

[bigtree]

3. yeeeehaaa

scary.

[soleft]

71. Oh my God, he said Yeeha

[Kahuna]

121. That was strange. YeeeeHa?

:shrug:

[Aunt Eunice]

126. The Yeeha seemed forced to me..

..or at least odd after the Geography lesson.

Did anyone else notice he said NY twice?

[Maddy McCall]

130. Maybe he will get the southern white male vote after all ;-)

and I say that as a southern girl. ;-)

[Joe the Revelator]

I'm not going to lie....

I'm a bit turned off. He's over compensating quite a bit.

[hellhathnofury]

4. I like it.

That felt good.

He's smiling, get over it.

[Bucky]

5. Hey look, he can name all 50 states

Wait a minute, he didn't mention Texas. Hmmm

[kentuck]

6. He's not freaking out...He's fired up ! he's not quitting...

and neither are his supporters! He has just begun to fight! :)

[economic justice]

8. That was embarrassing

I honestly wonder if Howard has been drinking.

[Joe the Revelator]

I was honestly wondering the same thing...

a little something to take the edge off.

[soleft]

82. I wonder if someone spiked his coke with crystal meth

[Kahuna]

123. Well? I didn't want to say it..

I thought it, but I didn't want to say it. 'Fraid of getting a DU demerit. :D

[One Taste]

9. I was just gonna post this...I'm gonna have nightmares

;-)

[Kahuna]

36. Me too.

:scared:

[Langis]

10. What is he saying?

[MoonRiver]

31. Not saying anything in particular, just thanking his people.

But it's the way he's talking. He' screaming and ranting. This is disappointing to him I'm sure, but the least he could do is congratulate Kerry, which I haven't heard him do.

[elperromagico]

34. He's saying,

"We're gonna win in MASSACHUSETTS!
We're gonna win in NORTH CAROLINA!
We're gonna win in ARKANSAS!
We're gonna win in MISSOURI!
We're gonna win in CONNECTICUT!"

Basically, he named his opponents' home states.

And he was really screaming it.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

125. He repeated something in Spanish 4 times.

n/t

[elperromagico]

137. "Si se puede," I believe.

[meow mix]

11. whoa, stand back people!

approaching critical mass.. ruuuuun!

[aldian159]

12. Good God Howie

What happened?

You're going nuts.

[oasis]

40. Does his wife double as a phychologist? The guy needs a tranquilizer.

[Clark Can WIN]

85. Or he's already medicated

couldn't decide which.

But that...........................did not go well.

[oasis]

124. Chris Mathews was especially tough on Dean tonight. Unfairly tough.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

136. What'd he say?

n/t

[Leilani]

13. I was listening to Edwards

And he got bumped for Dean...

doesn't seem right.

[ClarkUeberAlles]

38. I agree

I was like wtf, I don't care what Dean has to say. Edwards was being all positive and complimenting Gephardt and now we have Dean raging on stage

[kerry-is-my-prez]

133. I hate to say it - but it was fascinating.. I plan on taping it when it

replays at 4 am...

[everdene]

44. Leilani-I was stunned, too, when they ditched Edwards!

Think it's kinda low to give Edwards the bum's rush like that! I hope I can hear his whole speech later somewhere on re-broadcast.

[AP]

14. Who's that scarey man on TV mommy?

"And now we have some polite things we have to do."

He's running on being impolite.

Didn't he notice that that didn't work in Iowa?

[youngred]

45. my roomate (apolitical guy from albania)

thinks he sounds like a complete joke

[kerry-is-my-prez]

73. rotflmao!

n/t

[Kahuna]

16. This display will not help him down the line...

This is sad.

[Maddy McCall]

17. Yes.

It's a major turn-off.

Enthusiasm is one thing. Ranting like a madman is another.

[Catherine Vincent]

19. I've got C-Span on.

And I'm listening to Dean with all of his screaming. Good lord! He needs to stifle a bit on that. He'll scare some voters away. There's nothing wrong with raising your voice but come on....he sounds like one of those holy roller preachers. LOL!

[ClarkUeberAlles]

20. sounds like

That Howard Dean's about to cry.

[Jerseycoa]

21. I was facing my computer

My TV on across the hall to my back. I thought it was some mental case. I was scared.

[Cuban_Liberal]

23. That's not freaking out--- that's a determined man!

Watch out, folks--- he's not EVEN 'down'.

[Clark Can WIN]

98. You mean he's not even sane.

Funny how you go around with that Edwards avitar but spend all your time cheerleading for Dean.

[Blue_Roses]

154. thinking the

same thing. Saw him on a few other threads and thought the same thing.

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. Egads! That was

uh...er....embarrassing? He looked like a mad man.

[bicentennial_baby]

27. Tweety just said

Dean makes him (Tweety) look like Jim Lehrer

[Kahuna]

76. That's a good one. ROTF...

:evilgrin:

[youngred]

28. insulting and loud

not good Dean, shoulda left the second half the speech and left the WWF-type theatrics at home

[mike1963]

29. Good god, he's like a drunk whirling dervish...

what the hell was he smoking tonight?????

EEEEK
:eyes:

[boxster]

30. Holy cow. Is this what Dean is really like?

No offense folks, but this is not going to play well in Middle America. Anger is one thing; looking psychotic is another.

[henslee]

32. sure am glad I'm not the only one who thinks he's acting looney...

I mean... freak show, eyes bulging,.....no sense of the moment..... no zen to the man.

[Maddy McCall]

33. Did anyone see him at the Davenport rally yesterday when he said that

he was going to send Bush back to "Crawford Texassssssss" with his teeth clenched and a scowl on his face? He said it in a spooky voice and looked absolutely crazen. It was scary.

[Clark Can WIN]

110. I think his card table is folding fast

veddy veddy sarey.

[tishaLA]

35. I refuse to bash candidates

but that speech shows how tone deaf Dean is, IMHO. He needs someone to reign him in and to get him to have a more nuanced presentation.

Just heard someone (Scarborough?) on MSNBC say it was the worst speech since Quayle's VP acceptance speech in 1988. He might be right.

[Maddy McCall]

46. Great point, tisha

[Kahuna]

134. It's too late for nuanced. Then they will say he's reinventing himself..

A lot of those voters on CSPAN said they flipped to Kerry from Dean because Kerry is honest.

[Clark Can WIN]

155. Someone could reign him in but........

I don't want an actor, we already did that once.

[OKNancy]

37. Quite a contrast to Edwards who was speaking before him

Edwards was positive and uplifting and said gracious things about the other candidates.

[Maddy McCall]

53. And that will resonate with the voters, where Dean's approach turns off

voters, as the Iowa caucus showed.

[TrueAmerican]

39. MSNBC panning his speech right now

Comments:

Something out of SNL
Makes Chris Matthews look calm
Joe Scarborough said that was the worst stump speech he ever heard.

[NewHampster]

47. MSNBC Isn't us

MSNBC is Them

[Kahuna]

140. Speaking of SNL, don't miss it this weekend...

They're sure to do a parody of this.

[NewHampster]

43. People! That display is what he forgot

We love him for it. We are pissed and we're not gonna let Rove roll over us.

Ohhhh Lets be sweet and nice now....

NH Here comes Dean from Behind and he has arrows and rocks aplenty to throw back.

[Dookus]

59. Hampster...

I've been trying to really gracious tonight regarding Dean. But that speech really WAS way over-the-top.

I was actually stunned watching it. I couldn't believe what I was seeing.

And I don't normally think Dean's a bad speaker.

[qanda]

132. As someone who is not endorsing any candidate

I must say that I agree with you. That was just plain awful. He sounded desperate and I honestly don't think he needs to be. A little humility would have gone a long way to reach people who just may have felt sorry for him-- the press has been beating him up a lot lately. Dean supporters would do well to acknowledge that fact and hope that Dean regains whatever he seems to have lost.

[Kahuna]

62. More red meat? Good. That's why he lost tonight..

The red meat his supporters demand, is not appealing to regular everyday people.

[mitchum]

95. That's it right there

[Tatiana]

84. That's sorta the point.

Like Dookus, I'm trying to stay positive about our candidates. But that very same thing Dean supporters like really turns other Democratic voters off. I was... embarrassed listening to him. Like someone said above, Dean needs to be a little more nuanced.

[corporatewhore]

99. I'm angry

Even though i dont like dean (conservative record) ia m glad that he challenged the DLC but when he called out the homes of the other cannidates that was a bit freaky

[Eurobabe]

48. batten down the hatches new hampshire

it's coming.

[rhino47]

143. way too funny cozen

Read that and fell out of my chair laughing.As for Dean it`s sad to see a man with such an education and articulation go mentalist.

[edzontar]

49. I missed it--but I note not ONE Dean supporter is posting here

So I am inclined to reject your characterization.

[NewHampster]

61. I'm a Dean supporter

honest

[soleft]

88. I'm a Dean Support too and I'm stunned

[edzontar]

104. Why do I doubt this?

nt

[soleft]

118. why do you doubt it?

I'm pissed, I'm devastated - I've been rooting for this guy since spring of 2002.

[edzontar]

129. OK-so make it clear--what do you think of this vicious attack thread?

Why is it still open?

Why should a Dean supporter-- or any real Democrat for that matter continue to come to this place, in the face of garbage like this?

[BootinUp]

50. he's speaking in tounges!

[incapsulated]

58. hahaha!

Ok, that's the best line I've read tonight! :)

[Jerseycoa]

75. I am sorry

This guy is just too frigging weird. He's a nut job. It's confirmed.

[IndianaGreen]

128. He is saying "you can do it" in Spanish

Comprende?

[BootinUp]

Fine

but I just feel he was a little to much tonight. On the other hand I believe this is the Howard Dean that has gotten him so much support. I also believe he will never get enough support to take it the rest of the way because he does not strike me as presidential.

[TheDonkey]

51. He was acting really scary!

:( He was yelling all the states in this angry hoarse voice and then yeeehaawed.

Now he's screaming in spanish!?

I don't know what's got into him but the screaming is starting to get a little worrying.

[bigtree]

87. He was yelling all the states in this angry hoarse voice then yeeehaawed

Damn, I jumped across the room when he screamed.

[Kahuna]

144. And growling like a mad dog.. Man I hope they show that again...

so I can record it. :evilgrin:

[Kathleen04]

52. Oh wow..

now he's yelling in Spanish..

[Kahuna]

54. O boy. Now say, "si se puede." over and over.

:eyes:

[Clark Can WIN]

55. When I was your age, when I was your age, when I was your age

He says many times over........... What? Dean, are you acknowledging that all of your supporters still have wet ears? Are you not trying for anyone else anymore?

[theboss]

56. That was really odd

I don't think I've ever seen a candidate behave like that before.

I'm torn. It's intriguing but a little alarming.

[elperromagico]

57. Look, I love Dean's passion, but that was scary.

Humbleness would have been far more becoming.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

60. As someone without TV

I wanna thank you folks for such an entertaining and illuminating thread

[TheDonkey]

70. It was one of the most shocking things I've seen in a long time

on live TV. He wasn't making any sense :(.

[Maddy McCall]

63. Iowa TV anchors from WHO-TV blaming his performance on fatigue

Saying they would excuse his display as evidence of fatigue.

It raised their eyebrows too.

[Kathleen04]

69. LOL

I don't think I'd describe that as 'fatigue'.

[Maddy McCall]

79. I think they were trying to be, um, nice...

I don't think they could have said, "Would you look at that shit! That is some scary shit! That guy has lost it!"

LOL! :-)

[bhunt70]

120. I'd love to hear that on tv...just once.

[Kahuna]

152. LOL!

good one. :evilgrin:

[Jerseycoa]

92. Well, that was kind of them nt

[economic justice]

64. MSNBC: Would you want a doctor like THIS in the ER?

Barnicle (sp?) just said that speech cost Dean any chance for the White House.

[Kahuna]

72. Yep. Imagine you're an NH voter watching this display...

You gotta be having second thoughts.

[Langis]

66. Please Wonk

We need the a video of this =).

[funky_bug]

67. He stole our line!

Dean said, "You've got the power..." (okay, that's his schtick) "...to take back the American flag." (That's OUR schtick.)

[clarknyc]

91. Nope.

"...to take back the American flag." (That's OUR schtick.)

Dean was using that line long before Clark entered the race.

[funky_bug]

116. If so, I stand corrected

I had not heard him use that one yet... so I concede.

[soleft]

68. I feel like I just watched Oswald get shot

I'm devastated. I just watched my candidate self destruct on live television.

[TheDonkey]

74. He's finally imploded

:( I feel bad it probably is due to faituge and utter dissapointment from being practically crucified by the media and opponents these past weeks.

[economic justice]

90. Sad

Watching the all-together Gephardt now, I am thinking just HOW bad Dean looked. Edwards looked good before him. They are ALL tired, but only Dean melts down in a way that will be written about for years.

[elperromagico]

80. I'm sorry. I really am. :-(

That's gotta be hard to take.

[theboss]

Five minutes later, my opinion is: he's done

I think Dean just lost everything right before our eyes. There's a reason why the adjective "Presidential" gets thrown around a lot in these campaigns.

If Presidential is the bright center of the universe, that rant was on the planet that is furthest from.

[rumguy]

93. Seriously it was that bad? It can't be that bad now?

I'm missing cable here...but come on now, how could it be that bad?

[Blitz]

It was that bad and then some

Imagine Rowdy Roddy Piper on Crack trying to give the answers to a geography quiz ...

Tonight's results didn't kill him but that speech did. It will be replayed over and over and over until he drops out. He didn't just end his presidential run. He probably ended his political career. The man was completely unhinged.

[tishaLA]

107. Yeah, it really was bad

I think the audience ate it up--I'm sure it was exciting in person to see him pointing and growling the names of the states and then saying he'd win in all the home states of the other candidates and naming all the Februry 3rd states--but on TV it was awful. I thought maybe it was just me, and I had left DU for a while, but I came back to see if others thought it was as bad as I did...and it was bad.

[economic justice]

108. Imagine bad.

Then watch it. If you are wanting to see Dean in the White House, it was WORSE than "bad"........Imagine shocking.

[theboss]

111. Did you ever watch Roddy Piper in the 80s?

It was really something like that. Just screaming non-sequitors.

"We're not done!"
"We'll never quit!"
"We're gonna win (insert state here)!"/repeat 20 times
"Something in Spanish"/repeat 10 times
"Just when they think they've got the answers, I change the questions!!" (Okay, that really was Roddy Piper)

[elperromagico]

112. You're bound to see it on TV at some point.

It will probably be on all of the morning shows. Judge for yourself.

[bearfartinthewoods]

135. it wasn't good...................

earlier half th MSNBC panal, caudell, b uchanan, scarbourgh were saying not to even think of couting out dean. thet talked about the media hits and said dean needed to get back to his message, that he could still kick butt in NH. AFTER that speech, they were stunned and all said he certainly didn't look presidental. they really did appear stunned. i was, as well. it really was as if he'd had more to drink than i have.

[Jerseycoa]

101. This is so sad

I'm sorry.

[Tatiana]

131. To be fair, look at the circumstances.

He was the frontrunner.

He'd hit a groove, electrifying the party, and brining so many new people in the political process.

Everyone assumed he'd win in Iowa and that Iowa would be the stepping stone towards the national nomination.

Then some strange things start happening. Kennedy pushes Kerry HARD. Kerry gets his act together and starts being the candidate we all knew him to be.

Edwards experiences a surprising surge. He and Kucinich devise a plan to help each others' campaigns out.

Clark rises in NH and starts closing the gap between him and Dean nationally.

Then Dean gets hit with a wave of negative publicity.

I think he quite honestly was stunned and overwhelmed and just... lost it, there.

I feel kinda bad for him, actually.

[bhunt70]

78. He should join the WWF

[Maddy McCall]

81. Ahahahahah! OMG! LMFAO!

I can just picture that!!! LMFAO! Good one, bh!

(By the way, what is your tribal affiliation? I am an ethnohistorian with Cherokee ancestry.)

:hi:

[bhunt70]

109. Lumbee Indian

They are the largest tribe on the east coast other than the cherokee and not nationally recognized for various reasons (most of which I disagre with).

[Maddy McCall]

142. I disagree with it too. I love the story about the Lumbee

hearing that the Klan was going to come a'callin. The Lumbee got their guns together and fended off the Klan and were never again bothered by the Klan.

I love that story!

Nice to meetcha! :hi:

[kayleybeth]

86. That was frightening.

What was up with THAT?

[DancingBear]

89. I'm sorry Dean supporters

but that speech was so far far beyond the pale it was almost frightening.

That was passion, if one defines passion in a holy-roller type sense. It was, to be kind, Dean being almost a caricature of Dean. With that speech, he has marginalized himself to such a degree that the only thing left for him now are the true believers.

I hope, for your sake, that few were watching, but I fear that that is headline material.

I truly am stunned.

[DemonFighterLives]

97. Have to admit

It was a little strange, but he didn't sound like a defeated man. This low 3rd place showing and raucous presentation will soon be forgotten. Reminds me of the Wellstone Memorial where some were fired up. It didn't play well with the Reps., but there is fire in the belly for a reason, I think.

[Adjoran]

100. Fatigue or not

a candidate for the most powerful job in the world needs to think before he speaks, and keep his emotions under control. There is nothing wrong with passion, but this sounded more like raving.

Hindsight is always 20/20, but he may have made a mistake in putting so much of his resources into winning Iowa. He could have still campaigned there without the "Perfect Storm" all-out effort: it put more at stake at a time when he didn't need to take high risks. In the meantime, Clark has steadily whittled down Dean's once-formidable lead in NH.

I'm trying to say he might be mad at himself for the strategic errors of the last few weeks. Still, he should get his emotions out privately, and have conceded with dignity. If displays of this nature are what Iowans have been seeing for the last few days, it goes a ways toward explaining the results.

[EllieDem]

106. Remember when Dean said that

sometimes when he gets mad he needs to be restrained? Well I think its time......just hold on.....the men in the white coats are on the way!!!

[clarknyc]

102. Geez.

Could you guys give it a rest for just one night? I support Dean, but congratulated Kerry and Edwards on Skinner's thread. A bit of graciousness would go a long way around here. Thanks.

[IndianaGreen]

122. I would bookmark this thread and others like it

in order to remind myself in November if I am going to bother to get out of bed and vote for the candidate that some of these people support.

[WillyT]

153. Bingo I_G, Just Bookmarked It As A... Reminder !!!

If I were a Clark supporter, I might tell my fellow non-participants in this caucus, to 'stifle it'!!!

:mad:

[mzmolly]

103. Wow, thanks for noticing. I am shocked at the posts here. I can't

imagine kicking another Dem when he's down.

Perhaps you can all join in the Gephardt thread and rub some salt in the wound? I'd hate to see anyone miss out. :hi:

[edzontar]

115. This is probably the lowest thread in the history of this site.

I also notice, molly, that it is still open.

HMMM......

[mzmolly]

127. Interesting isn't it?

;)

[Catherine Vincent]

146. I don't like to see bashing of our candidates but what we just

witnessed of Dean was, well, unbelievable. It was really THAT BAD. Our statements are only honest. I am sure someone in his camp will let him know how he was perceived on tv and if they didn't, they are in denial big time.

I thought Al Sharpton was the preacher.....

[Dookus]

151. on what grounds should it be locked?

Clearly, a lot of people saw the speech and the overwhelming majority have drawn the same conclusion about it.

We're discussing it.

Despite what some people may like, there's no rule against saying less than positive things about Howard Dean.

And he WAS a madman in that speech. There's really no other way to say it. Yeehaw!

[SeveneightyWhoa]

141. You must be kidding me.

Dean can call Wes Clark a "Republican" all he wants, but when people on a forum point out that Dean behaved like a raving lunatic when HE DID behave like a raving lunatic, is shocking?

Maybe we should just nominate Lyndon LaRouche? Hell, he's a Democrat and we can't criticize, right?

[mzmolly]

148. When Clark loses to Kerry, and he will. You can bet I won't take part in

trashing him here.

A "raving lunatic" what a pathetic statement. I expect more from Democrats. I wonder though, how many Democrats are actually here?

[Bread and Circus]

105. Several months ago, I predicted Dean would implode, he just did

[TacticalPeek]

113. Probably by-products of adrenaline decomposition.

Actually, I kind of liked it. Pre-electronic oration.

:)

[RUexperienced]

114. He looked like Jimmy Swaggart.

waiving his arms, screaming, sweating through his dress shirt.

I expected him to take an offering.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

117. More than 5 word description from anyone of you, please? No TV here...

[laruemtt]

138. agreed, not very presidential but

he IS exhausted and he IS a human being and i just feel so sad for him right now. can you even imagine how he feels?

[elperromagico]

149. There was an undercurrent of sadness and disappointment, yes.

[theboss]

139. "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice!"

I'm still trying to let that speech sink in. (And for the record, I think I am out of the closet and fully on board with Edwards now).

This reminds me of Goldwater's nomination speech in '64. He dropped that extremism line on the delegates and then went euphoric. Meanwhile, 100 million people at home were scared shitless.

My biggest concern is that that speech is all that is going to be remembered about tonight. Forget Kerry's comeback or Edwards surge or even Gephardt's departure. It's going to be Dean's screaming.

[WillyT]

145. This Is EXACTLY Where My ABB Gets Tested !!!

Your guy doesn't show up for hardly any debates, he doesn't run in Iowa where he'd probably lose, and yet y'all find the hilarity in Dean's finish (and rallying speech) tonight.

THEN... you're gonna hope for Dean supporters to come to your aid when you need it.

Interesting game you play... VERY interesting.

:grr::nuke::mad::puke:

[knight_of_the_star]

147. I want to see the polls tomorrow

This will make a nasty dent in Dean, oui?

[2cents]

150. LOL...Loved it...

Fire in the belly...

I wonder if Chimpy has come out from under his bed yet.

Nice to see a Dem. with a pulse.

[Moderator]

156. locked

let's try and keep things civil.

[WillyT]

157. Hey Skinner !!! --- What Was That Warning For 'Gloating Jerks' ???

I fear some here may have missed it.

:wtf: