Conyers' OHIO ELECTION THEFT forum now on C-SPAN2 (10 pm NY time)

[AirAmFan]

Does anybody know a URL that keeps track of CPAN rebroadcast times?

I'm generally interested only in those CSPAN programs popular enough to be rebroadcasted. But now I only find them by accident. Not only do I miss these programs the first time they run, the way I miss just about ALL CSPAN programming, I also miss 99 percent of them when they get rebroadcast the second or third time!

[SheathedPeace]

1. How many diebold machines did Ohio use?

What percentage?

[AirAmFan]

6. That wasn't covered in the forum

But if you can find your way to Bob Fitrakis' website through googling his name, that's your best bet for finding out quickly. Fitrakis was very thorough.

I could be wrong, but as I recall, only 7 of Ohio's 88 counties used any type of voting machine other than cheap card-punchers and optical scan readers. So while the "black box" route probably was used in the most corrupted of the counties' votes, other techniques probably accounted for more stolen votes. One Kenyon College kid testified that, while surrounding suburban counties allocated at least one voting machine for each 100 registered, the Kenyon campus had only two machines for 1300 voters. It rained all day throughout the state, and hundreds of people at Kenyon alone had to wait out in the soaking rain up to ten hours to vote. The same equipment-shortchanging strategy could have accounted for tens of thousands of frustrated people who went home without voting, or who saw the lines on TV and didn't even venture out to the polls.

Fitrakis testified that there were more than 90,000 "undervotes", primarily in the punch-card counties. Just as in Florida four years ago, recounting these ballots would entail holding them up to the light to look for indentations and "hanging chads". And just as in Florida four years ago, probably several times those 90,000 unread punchcards properly logged in already have been deep-sixed somewhere where the votes on them NEVER can be counted.

And a woman wearing a silver necklace, who evidently works in IT for some Ohio organization connected with voting, said that, regardless what method voters used to cast their ballots, all precintcs reported by ordinary Windows PC to state and county "tabulators", which Bev Harris showed Howard Dean on CNBC how any Windows hacker could manipulate to move votes WHOLESALE from Kerry to other candidates, as long as the total remained the same. Several people testified that many votes appear to have been moved from Kerry to minor candidates.

[AirAmFan]

2. A partial transcript of the hearing appears in a Wm Rivers Pitt article at

at http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publish/article_16045.shtml (I found it through a google.com/news search for "Arnebeck Ohio")

'Rep. Watt: The basic premise of our democracy is the vote. If it is broken, it must be fixed, and we must institutionalize a process that continually evaluates the way we run elections. If we can deliver ballots to rural voters in Afghanistan on the backs of donkeys, surely we can make sure our elections are free and fair here in America. ...

Cliff Arnebeck (Chair, Common Cause Ohio): The fraud must be fixed. It must be fixed now, and not in the future. People cannot and will not accept a fraudulent election for the office of President. The best precedent that can be set is to state flatly that people will not tolerate fraud, and will not �move on� until the problems are repaired. How can we, with a straight face, talk about democracy in Iraq when we cannot guarantee democracy here at home?

Shawnta Walcott (Zogby Inc.): This election has created an unprecedented level of suspicion that things did not go as they should have. Zogby Inc. wants to see a blue-ribbon panel created immediately to investigate the claims made at this hearing.

Rep. Jackson: We must have a standardized national voting process and take the matter out of the hands of individual states, which can keep the process "separate and unequal." We must have a constitutional amendment guaranteeing the right to vote. How can people argue that the right to own a gun is implicitly stated in the constitution, and then turn around and say it is acceptable to have the right to vote only be �implicit� in the constitution?

It was this last point, made over and over again by Reverend Jesse Jackson, that drew the most applause from the audience and attention from the Congressmen. In demanding a constitutional amendment cementing the simple right to vote, Jackson spoke of the long line that reached from Selma, Alabama to Ohio, and into this room. "This is not about who won or lost," he said. "This is about participating in democracy. The 2004 election is not past-tense. We are not whining. It is time to take this struggle to the streets and fully legitimize this struggle."'

[Vadem]

3. Go to C-Span.org and sign up for daily email of program...

listings. This is the one for today through Monday. I copied and pasted the email, so the colorful and easier to read page isn't appearing properly here:


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[AirAmFan]

4. Thank you! I'll sign up and be much better off than I am now.

I was on the list a couple of years ago, but have changed email addresses several times.

I much prefer to be able to go to a website and find what I want when I want, rather than have information sent to me whether I want it or not. But the CSPAN schedule page is awfully confusing, isn't it? I think their webmaster must be a disciple of MC Escher.

[AirAmFan]

5. REBROADCAST AT 1:05 AM FRIDAY NIGHT/SATURDAY MORNING

NY time, on CSPAN-2. The rebroadcast notice just flashed on the screen as the broadcast I watched was just ending.

It looks like the whole thing takes about two hours. All I'll have to do is watch the first few minutes of the next rebroadcast and I'll have seen the whole thing.

It was well worth watching, even though there were some real asshats at the microphone when the floor was opened up for questions from the audience. LaRouche Youth definitely was in the House (pardon my bad pun).

Jesse Jackson Sr AND Junior supplied the most overheated rhetoric, but also generated most of the powerful emotion in the room.

Congressman Major Owens of Brooklyn made the most intriguing suggestion: taking the documents gathered so far to the UN and having THEM launch an investigation (Careful; Malcolm X made a suggestion like this shortly before he was taken out thirty-some years ago);

And I got glimpses of many people I'd only read about on webpages this election season:

Attorney Arnebeck of Ohio Common Cause, who's going to ask an Ohio Supreme Court Justice to issue a restraining order against Ohio's Presidential Electors taking any action to certify Dubya.

--Steve Freeman, the Penn prof who calculated the very unlikely odds the election could have swung to Dubya by chance after the 4 pm exit polls showed a sizable Kerry margin.

--Bob Fitrakis, the Ohio journalist/community college prof whose websites have provided the best coverage I've seen of what Ken Blackwell did to steal the election for his Massa

and

--Jeff Fisher, the failed Congressional candidate who's made Ohlbermann's MSNBC blog several times with reports of the FBI election crime investigation his complaint supposedly has started (Barney Frank had to get involved in calming this guy down at the end of the program);

--Stephanie Tubbs-Jones, whom Conyers had to waste several precious minutes shooshing.

[AirAmFan]

9. Looks like it's a three-hour program, with TWO HOURS STILL TO GO now

(2 am NY time). I watched hours two and three during the previous rebroadcast. Now I've almost finished watching the first hour on this re-airing.

Bob Fitrakis had the most definitive-sounding important statistics, and a very chilling story of poll-watching. He said that there was a clear pattern of pro-Kerry precincts being shortchanged on voting machines in the same city, compared to pro-Bush precincts and compared to the allocations of voting machines in the previous election.

He said that, overall, more than 5,000 machines would have been needed to handle a significantly increased number of registered voters, but only 2700 were supplied, and not distributed fairly. Of the many precincts on the east side of the city (Columbus?) that went for Kerry by 80 percent or more, 74 percent were supplied fewer voting machines than last time. But in precincts that went to Bush by 60 percent or more, ZERO were supplied fewer voting machines than last time.

Fitrakis, who's a lawyer as well as a political-science PhD, spoke movingly of an elderly woman on chemo who fainted after waiting over two hours to vote at a precinct where he was poll-watching. He quoted the law on accomodating the disabled at polling places to the people in charge, but to no avail. The woman was revived and wandered away on shaky legs and a shaky cane, without having been allowed to vote. That's the moment, Fitrakis said, when he decided to go ALL THE WAY with exposing this wave of Republican election crime and taking Ken Blackwell to the highest court in the state.

This wasn't mentioned in the forum, but I remember because I had a DU thread about this a couple of weeks ago: On election day, DUBYA HIMSELF flew to Columbus to meet with Ken Blackwell and an election official named Damschroder. What was so important that Dubya would risk taking such a suspicious trip? What do you think was on the agenda for the meeting?

I suspect Dubya wanted to congratulate these two election criminals IN PERSON for their fine work in withholding voting machines from pro-Kerry precincts. What creativity, initiative, and daring!

[AirAmFan]

12. Election day meeting in Columbus between Blackwell and DUBYA HIMSELF

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2663390

[banana republican]

7. NEW HEARINGS MONDAY 12/13/04 n/t

[AirAmFan]

11. I found a Yahoo story on Monday's hearing by searching for

"Arnebeck Ohio" at google.com/news. Wonder whether C-SPAN will cover it?

The starting time was not given, but I'd bet a quarter it's somewhere around 10 am.

[norml]

8. I'm also watching it on C-Span 2. It's great!

I was hoping there was a thread on it.

[AirAmFan]

10. GREAT. If you can, please keep this thread kicked after I log off and

go to bed in a few minutes.