Biden for 2008

[HeyManThatsCool]

Out of all the possible candidates for 2008, I am most interested in Joe Biden. I think he could take on McCain, or whatever troll they put up, and win.

Does anyone here agree?



I supported Kerry this year- volunteered, phone banked, attended rallies etc. At this point in time I wouldn't vote for him again- he wasn't a fighter. He should not have conceded. IMHO

[Guarionex]

1. blah...

please..no more career Democrats....

I want an another JFK, another Roosevelt...another Lincoln...

heck screw that... I want Malcolm X or Martin Luther king!

No more party apparatchiks for President.

[HeyManThatsCool]

3. lol-

Then I guess Biden isn't for you.....
since he's already come out and said he ISN'T a party democrat
& that he's not sure his democratic colleagues are ready for his ideas.
He too thinks the party has gone to shit.
And, he has the balls to say it. I respect that


It's great to disagree but don't confuse him with Kerry or Clinton

[Southsideirish]

21. No more friggin' Senators! Didn't we just learn that lesson

considering all the thousands of votes they make over their term(s)? They will be just more grist for teams of thugs sitting pouring over their records for voting inconsistencies, taxes they voted for, weapons bills they didn't programs for, etc.

[jamboi]

2. Let him stand up today re: election fraud and many will back him. n/t

[dogindia]

5. I like Biden alot. I hoped he would run in 2004

I am hoping he will speak about the fraud now. That would be great.

[pretzel4gore]

10. where has he been?

is he rip van biden or something.....the entire bush record is a stab in the eye to people who care about the USA (aka patriots etc) and biden has been doing what? smelling like a fukking lily? he will not upset the bushevik applecart, as he's been riding high on top of it it seems, just like too many so called dems....old zell miller maybe true rep of what them goats (did kerry really vote for reagan and bush, or is that just fox guarding the hen's house?) who bleat helplessly whenever the nazipoos beat a kid to death

[HeyManThatsCool]

4. forgot to post this

http://www.lifenews.com/nat1034b.html


Delaware Senator Joe Biden Unofficially Declares 2008 Presidential Bid

[EQPlayer]

20. Rick Santorum running for President?

If there's anyone that's worse than *, it's Santorum. If we couldn't beat him if he won the Republican nomination, the Democratic party is truly dead!

[newyawker99]

23. Hi EQPlayer!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[newyawker99]

22. Hi HeyManThatsCool!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[ISUGRADIA]

6. The senior senator for MBNA ...I mean from Delaware

The man is more concerned about his corporate contributors than consumers.

[HeyManThatsCool]

7. Dowd's piece from today

http://www.theday.com/eng/web/news/re.aspx?re=5B31444E-2650-4BA6-901F-8DAC4A4D6490

[pretzel4gore]

13. Homer Simpson in '08!

wwe need a 4 fingered presidunce...
:)

[trotsky]

8. No more senators.

The way bills are structured & voted upon, it is FAR too easy to distort a senator's voting record, as we witnessed this year.

[teleharmonium]

17. Biden ? NOOOOO!!!

I can't stand Biden. He is the epitome of the slimeball politician that would say anything, with his creepy smile and nauseating haircut; he is the total opposite of Kerry (who I like better than any other politician ever, including Clinton; caveat that I was born in 1970). I would fight Biden's nomination tooth and nail, and if he got it I would vote third party. I can't think of ANY other dem that would drive me to that, save perhaps Lieberman.

[newyawker99]

24. Hi Teleharmonium!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[fshrink]

9. "My daughter for 2048."

[Karenca]

19. ***** My son for 2024. ***** nt

[ZombieNixon]

33. Me for 2036. n/t

[Greybnk48]

11. Biden strikes me as candid--refreshing

I was hoping he was going to be our new Sec. of State come Jan. (sigh)

A test? I assume, and I don't think I'm alone on this, that everyone is well informed of what went on in this election regarding fraud and suppression when in actuality very few people know very much if anything. My guess is that most Senators have heard that there is a challenge, but don't know the legitimacy of the details. Remember, they did not read the Patriot Act--too busy. Biden is a fighter and seems to hate this crew in Washington. Why not send him a concise compilation of what went on in Ohio, indicating there's probably more in other states, and see what he does with it?

Would we have enough respect for him to cast our votes his way if he avoided this issue of rpolitical reasons? Wouldn't this set hime up in 08 as the champion of the little guy?

[dogindia]

16. address

[e-mail]

website:
http://biden.senate.gov/

[stray cat]

12. I would vote for him

However, would he have the same problems as Kerry?

[marylanddem]

14. No thanks

He strikes me as too much of an establishment hawk.

[ladjf]

15. Please not another party hack!

[googly]

18. I will give Biden more $$ than any other candidate!

He is the most logical politician in Washington, period.

[Blue in the face]

25. I was totally against Biden for years

until this year. I remember him getting snagged years ago for plagarizing and thought he was a POS. But I've seen him on various shows and found him to be refreshingly honest and right on the money about a lot of things.

I'm still crazy for Wes Clark, but I also had the unfortunate experience of working for someone outside of the party. While the Party Dems lined up behind Kerry and the media lined up behind Dean, the rest of us were stuck outside like we are right now trying desperately to get noticed.

I think Biden would be a breath of fresh air if he campaigns like he has been speaking recently.

But on the other hand, if Clark would forgive the Party for fucking him and his family over and run again, my faith in our country's future would be completely restored.

[FrenchieCat]

34. FYI....Blue in the Face,

While not meaning to anyway hijack this thread, I want the chance for you, Blue in the Face, to know that there are rumors of Clark possibly running in 2008.

Here...

Gen. Wesley Clark Rattles His Saber'
Partying with the Clintonite exiles, the retired general hints at a new battle plan.

The dedication of the Clinton Presidential Center in Little Rock, Arkansas, the other week was as much about the Democratic future as the Democratic past— the cocktail discussion frequently sounded like fantasy baseball—but not all the guests were willing to cede this future to people who share the former president’s surname. At a party thrown by Mary Steenburgen and Ted Danson, former general Wesley Clark was asked who he’d back in 2008. “I haven’t ruled out a run,” he was overheard saying. And they’re off.

http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/people/columns/int...

and Wes Clark is in the Middle East for the next two weeks....

Arab reform: a pair of very different faces
By Rami G. Khouri
Daily Star staff
Monday, December 13, 2004
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&c...

Excerpts:

"At the eastern and western poles of the Middle East this week, Arab reform reveals its two very different faces. Gatherings of prominent Arabs and Westerners in Rabat and Dubai offer two contrasting versions of the best path to a crucial goal which is now widely acknowledged in the region and abroad: the need to reform Arab political and economic systems, and perhaps also underlying social and educational norms...

"The two gatherings in question are the Rabat meeting Saturday of the Forum for the Future, and the Arab Strategy Forum that opens in Dubai Monday. They are as far apart conceptually as they are geographically...

"The Rabat meeting that brought together G-8 officials with their Arab counterparts was marked by strong and continuing tensions about prevailing political problems in the region. Specifically, Arab officials and civil society activists widely questioned a U.S.-driven reform agenda, while the Arab-Israeli conflict remained active and Iraq was also in turmoil. This reflects the deeper doubts throughout the Mideast about the appropriateness or efficacy of a reform agenda that was initiated and first defined by Washington.

"The three-day Arab Strategy Forum offers a different approach to identifying the challenges, constraints and opportunities of the Arab world. It also hopes to suggest the most feasible means of moving the region on a path of reform aiming for stability and prosperity. Up to 1,000 participants are expected, where Arab and international officials and analysts will debate political reform, security and economic and human development issues.

Among the speakers are former U.S. President Bill Clinton,Dubai Crown Prince and U.A.E. Defense Minister General Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum, Syrian Expatriates Minister Buthaina Shaaban, Hanan Ashrawi from Palestine, U.S. scholar Fouad Ajami,New York Times columnist Thomas FriedmanInternational Atomic Energy Agency chief Mohammad ElBaradei, former NATO Supreme Allied Commander General Wesley Clark, former Lebanese Premier Rafik Hariri, the foreign ministers of Iraq and Qatar, the prime ministers of Libya and Malaysia, and numerous other scholars, officials and businessmen and women from across the world...."

[JohnnyCougar]

26. Isn't Biden PNAC?

I thought I heard this somewhere on here. If that is the case, he is just another DLC stooge, and I will vote Green in '08.

[txindy]

27. Mods, please move this thread to the 'Campaign 2006 and 2008' forum

This is 2004 Election Results and Discussion.

[Chimpanzee]

28. Remember the plagarism story?

The pukes would make him out to be the biggest and shadiest lying sack of shit on earth (with apologies to GW Bush).

[salin]

29. if I recall - it started with a plagarized speech

and wound up included other items as well.

Prior to that story breaking - I was for Biden in 1988... that wasn't what turned me - but made me skeptical... was he more of a lightweight than I had realized? The ensuing years have suggested... indeed that was the case.

[Donna Zen]

30. It's the policy that counts:

Let's see Biden:

For the war

Really-really-really for the war.

For the Patriot Act

For NCLB--and doesn't get it.

For the $87 billion and dissed K and Clark on Meet the Press for their stand

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I'm sure I left out a few.

More inside baseball...it's Biden's turn kinda deal from the DNC.

Has Biden ever met an empire building war he doesn't love? Has Biden ever been critical of PNAC? Oh please...for mercy sake.

[lojasmo]

31. No goddamned way

IWR
NCLB
patriot act
wishy washy
kneepad wearing democrat.

Blah. Went there, did that....lost.

[Fly by night]

32. Re-elect Kerry/Edwards in 2008

Nuff said.

[Radical Activist]

35. I can't get excited about him

Sometimes he seems great. Sometimes he seems lousy. But I've never been able to get excited about him.

[sampsonblk]

36. No Biden, No Kerry and No Edwards

None of them for me. I am going to pick with a traditional Dem with courage, and I won't support another candidate I don't believe in.

[FrenchieCat]

37. No Senator....from the North.....instead I prefer

WES CLARK
"RED DOG" DEMOCRAT IN '08

Won't take any Sh*t, AND...will kick ass in Red States

[Donna Zen]

38. You mean a Democrat

That doesn't sit on his hands and fluff his tutu? Ah sorry_I spoke out of turn.

What is it with this? One day we're screaming about how our Dem representatives stab us in the back while they roll over, and the next day people are suggesting that we should vote for them.

"In the year 2003, as far as we've come, we are far from the fundamental ideal of 'one person, one vote.' Today, it's only one person, one vote if you live in the right county. And if you vote at the right machine. And if your name happens to be on the rolls," said Clark. "Well, last I checked, there was no 'if' in the 15th Amendment. One person one vote isn't just a slogan -- it's the highest law of this land. As president, I will not rest until every single American can cast their vote, and every single one of those votes is counted. We shouldn't have to wait for another Florida to fully fund election reform."

-Wesley Clark at the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church, Birmingham, AL
December 29, 2003

[Blue in the face]

40. Thanks for the words of encouragement,

Frenchie and Zen!

I would never have thought that Clark would put himself through that same shit again, but there is always hope!

Clark was far and away the best person for the job this election, even if he wasn't always the best candidate or best politician...

[illbill]

41. Worst ever...

He disgusted me when he was on CNN and him being Southern doesn't help any either.

[illbill]

39. any intelligent democrat would support Joe Biden.

He is, by far, the smartest and most insightful democrat there is. You haters disgust me with your lack of wisdom about this question.

[AP]

42. Biden looks to me like a neocon who sold Dems out on Thomas nomination

It's going to take a lot of convincing for me to support him.