Conson - FBI memo - Rumsfeld ordered torture

[dobegrrrl]

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/12/17/memo/

Sorry if this has been posted - I have not seen it.

This is the first thread I have started!
:party:

[DireStrike]

1. Oooh, interesting...

Unfortunately, rummy has already been taking bullets.

Next you know, they'll pin 9/11 on him too. Damn.


Anyway, welcome! And thanks for posting! :hi:

[Liberty Belle]

2. Welcome to DU!

Rumsfeld should be booted out of the cabinet. Even arch-conservatives are openly cricitizing him now. Better yet, he ought to be tried as a war criminal.

[dobegrrrl]

5. I'll second that

and impeach bush

[goclark]

3. Please let this stick! Welcome to DU nt

[dobegrrrl]

4. Why not BEFORE the election?

[Verve]

6. Looks like Rumi's going to be the fall guy! Darn, I wanted Chimpy to go

first and bring the others down with him.x(


Welcome to posting dobegrrl!:toast:

[RafterMan]

7. Yeah, but

let's see that Rummy does to defend himself.

[sepia_steel]

8. is there an image of the memo?

The article cuts off. Is the memo text in the article? If so could someone post it?

[democrat in Tallahassee]

9. but the right loves this stuff; they not come out and say it but

they admire these people for having the guts to torture. What we are having a hard time grasping is that the right doesn't share our "values." They like torture and approve of the mayhem in Iraq. That's why W gave out those awards to all the fuck ups the other day

[Nordic]

12. Fine. Let 'em bring out the photos and defend these actions

and they will be revealed as the sadistic monsters they are.

The next four years may become "give 'em enough rope ....." time

[dobegrrrl]

10. Entire article posted at

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/12/17/memo/print.html

[Oilwellian]

11. A few paragraphs

Your link offers a day pass for anyone who wants to read the entire article. Hope you don't mind if I post a few snippets. Great first post and welcome to DU. :hi:

(snip)

The abuses continued, in some cases even after the initial furor over Abu Ghraib. What's more, an internal FBI memo indicates that the directive to discard traditional restraints came from the very highest civilian official in the Pentagon: Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

That revealing memo is dated May 10, 2004, a time when the Abu Ghraib revelations were humiliating the United States before the entire world. An e-mail, it is addressed to FBI counterterrorism officer Thomas J. Harrington from an agent whose name is redacted (along with much else), and its subject is captioned "Instructions to GTMO Interrogators." The memo's obvious purpose is to set down, for the record, the FBI's opposition to the Pentagon's use of coercive and abusive methods when questioning the Guantánamo detainees. It describes the FBI's fundamental disagreement over interrogation tactics with Gen. Geoffrey Miller and Gen. Michael Dunlavey, then the military commanders at Guantánamo Bay.

"I will have to do some digging into old files," the unnamed author begins. "We did advise each supervisor that went to GTMO to stay in line with Bureau policy and not deviate from that ... I went to GTMO ... We had also met with Generals Dunlevy & Miller explaining our position (Law Enforcement Techniques) vs. DoD . Both agreed the Bureau has their way of doing business and DoD has their marching orders from the SecDef . Although the two techniques differed drastically, both Generals believed they had a job to accomplish."

[unblock]

13. nice post dobegrrrl -- would you like to post it in "late breaking news"?

you appear to have the scoop!

be sure the include no more than FOUR paragraphs of copyrighted material and make sure your post title matches the article title, and include a link.

well done and welcome to du!
:hi:

[fsbooks]

14. Bush is responsible

He is the "CEO" right? Delegation of authority does not delegate responsibility.