DNC Dilemma....Who should be the Chairman ?

[kentuck]

Do they a pick a DLC type and maintain their road in the middle? Do they gamble on losing their base if they do not pick a more "liberal" person for the job, someone like a Howard Dean? Do they pick someone that is not proven himself as a money raiser for the Party, such as a Tim Roemer? It is not an easy decision for the Party.

[eleny]

1. The way I figure it

Dean already has an organization, knows how to raise money, understands how to take advantage of new technologies and is not very liberal. He'd be a great choice even as a compromise.

[Kyle Reese]

3. The problem is he's considered a lunatic by the media

and would be delicious fodder for the rightwing to use.

[Walt Starr]

4. As far as I'm concerned, it's Dean or nobody

I'm through fucking around.

[Kyle Reese]

5. And Dean would do WHAT exactly?

Help win Arkansas?

[Walt Starr]

6. Dean would not make us the Party that is more REpublican

than the Republicans, which is what every other fuck who has been considered WOULD DO!

[Kyle Reese]

7. You don't get it.

The electorate isn't buying what we're selling. Apparently there aren't enough voters who are on the far left to actually win elections. We got the base out big and still lost by 4 million votes. And you suggest going even FURTHER that way?

[Walt Starr]

8. You're the one that doesn't get it

I'm not fucking around moving more and more to the right any more. That cost us the Congress in '94 and every election since '98.

No more. Either it stops, or I'm done with the REpublicratic-Democan party that masquerades as a two party system.

[Kyle Reese]

9. Answer my question

We got the base out big and lost by 4 million votes (Bush won 81% of the counties in the country). And you propose to go even further that way? Kerry was republican lite? Have you seen the guy's voting record?

[Walt Starr]

10. Prove to me we got the base out big

Link please

The base that came out was specifically ABB and ABB was a losing strategy from the word go.

[Kyle Reese]

11. Your fantasy is whatever you want it to be, I guess.

I'm tired of arguing with you. You want to run Howard fucking Dean for Chrissakes. Yeah, he would have been awesome in Arkansas, Missouri, Iowa and West Virginia. not

[Walt Starr]

12. Thanks for the personal attack

I take it I've won the debate as generally, those who resort to ad hominems have no further arguments.

[Kyle Reese]

14. 1972

[Renew Deal]

16. Who would have done better? I'm guessing your candidate?

[Kipepeo]

27. *lol*

Karl, I mean Kyle, would have the Dems run Dubya in '08.

I mean, how could we lose with Dubya??

:)

[Melodybe]

24. Actually Dean was well liked here in MS, I think his red neck

comment made a lot of people think. I had damn near convinced my repub father to vote for Dean, but when we got Kerry, Marvin wouldn't have it and voted Bush.

Dean is feisty and I knew plenty that liked him.

Dean's problem is the the media treats him like he is crazy, but then again after he said he would break up media monopolies they were after him big time.

[Stinky The Clown]

25. Howard "Fucking" Dean would have done better in the south than

Kerry/Edwards. Ask a Southerner ......

[Kipepeo]

28. yep

I agree with you on that.

[WatchWhatISay]

30. And a HELL YEAH!

from here in Texas

[Renew Deal]

19. I also propose going further away.

But if you want to go further to the right, there is a website for you.

[mandyky]

34. Firstly, I don't think we lost by 4 mil votes

With all the machine malfunction and voter tampering, I do not trust any of the results of of election 04.

About the Dean won't help us win in Arkansas crap, Dean won't be running there, he'll be helping candidates set up grass roots and Dem headquarters, etc. If the Democratic Senate Committee had helped Dan Mongardo a bit sooner, here in KY, we might have gotten rid of Bunning and picked up another seat. Dean was great having his Dean Dozens and such, and I think he'd be an excellent DNC Chair, and that he would help us win in traditionally red states.

[Renew Deal]

18. It was less than 3 million and

Yes, going further away would be good. The Dems need to be stronger and represent the left more. It's not that the country has moved right, it's that the Dems have not done well enough with messaging.

[greenohio]

35. You mean like "embracing" "pro-life" Dems, being pro NAFTA and for ?

legalized assault weapons?

[Cheswick2.0]

40. do you really think you can misrepresent Dean ?

He is pro-choice and said our position on that should not change. He is anti assault weapons and said he was for renewing the ban. Nafta... he is for helping labor organize in other countries to that there is a level playing feild for our workers. He has said he is specifically for fair trade.

Nice try though.

[greenohio]

41. But he "embraces" "pro life" Dems. He is against gun control.. and you

know it. He "supported NAFTA" and "China's entry to the WTO" and says that those moves "helped" his state.

Who is misrepresenting Dean? Do you want the links?

[Cheswick2.0]

42. bullshit

but good try.

[greenohio]

43. Ahhh, the swear strategy. I never saw that coming.

And you had to edit it to. Wasn't that in spell check?

[greenohio]

48. Hey Ches, I broke a thousand posts.

I owe many of them to you. Thank you. It has been a pleasure conversing with you. I feel a connection between us.

[Renew Deal]

15. Yes, exactly

Dean wants to fight everywhere. Every town. Every hamlet and every state.

[Renew Deal]

13. Fuck the media.

And I don't think he's considered a lunatic. BTW, he's the one guy with name recognition and an organization and ideas.

[WatchWhatISay]

29. Oh, is that the same media

that repeated over and over, Dean can't win, but Kerry might be able to, until even many Democrats believed it. Why don't we just take a poll of the media and the winner will by our new chair?

[spooky3]

53. I don't consider that a problem. DNC's role is not to please the media

or the rightwing. It is to build the party and to correct the problems that have kept it from winning in recent years. I think Dean is a good candidate for that, as I think he identified a lot of problems though he didn't always have the best solutions. No one gets to be a dictator in that role, and a good leader will listen to multiple voices before making decisions as she/he implements changes.

[Walt Starr]

2. Howard Dean is not that liberal

He just stands up to the bullshit, which pisses off the party elite.

[greenohio]

46. Blasphemy! He is the only one who is truly liberal.

Only a true liberal can say that we should embrace pro-lifers, the NRA and NAFTA and get away with it.

[newsguyatl]

17. i'm really, sadly, at a point

where i don't even care anymore.

bush is in office for four more disastrous years. who could come in and be worse?

who cares if a republican mccain, hagel, or hell, even schwarzenegger comes in afterwards? does it matter? will it matter after four more years of bush?


and what makes someone want to vote for a biden, hillary, or bayh over a republican?

i mean, aren't they all the same?


if the party doesn't embrace change and leadership (with dean) at this crucial crossroads -- the party's as good as dead.

[wyldwolf]

33. Another "only Dean can save the party" post

if the party doesn't embrace change and leadership (with dean) at this crucial crossroads -- the party's as good as dead.

Some of you are in for long, bitter, and disappointing lives.

[greenohio]

36. Can never have to many of those. He is the only one who truly

can save the party. His strategy of embracing "pro-life" dems, supporting NAFTA, supporting assault weapons, in combincation with attacking fellow Dems constantly is a winner strategy which is going to save the party.

[newsguyatl]

50. ha

if only others were in for short ones, many of us would be much happier.

[chomskysright]

20. Roemer's against abortion....I'm pro abortion/ pro choice

...and I got a real problem w/ that.

there is some talk re: Pelosi about the 'party' not being against it.

dunno: word games.

all I know is this: a bunch of women I know who should not have been shackled by children that they have...are....

I'm PRO ABORTION AND PROUD OF IT....

I don't mean that its a great way of birth control but its what you need to do at time.

I think of babies' souls as 'circling' the planet.

I in no way believe that you kill someone when you have an abortion .

AGAIN: WHY IS IT THAT SO MANY MEN ARE AGAINST ABORTION?

[w4rma]

32. pro-abortion? Do you even know what that means? (nt)

[greenohio]

38. And Dean says we should "embrace pro-life" dems.

[Placebo]

21. ABD

Anyone But Dean

[w13rd0]

22. Will you and Al From...

...leave the party if Dean becomes Chair?

Promise?

[Walt Starr]

37. Al From leaving the party would be the best thing to happen to it

Since Roosevelt!

[WhereIsMyFreedom]

23. It is a tough decision...

...for the party elite. The direction this party needs to go is back to being a party of the people. It isn't a question of right or left, it is a matter of integrity. Of all the people I've heard suggested, only Dean seems interested in moving us in that direction. Of course, the party elite lose some of the power that they have been hoarding and abusing so for them it is a tough decision. Do they act in the party's best interest or their own selfish interests.

[Stinky The Clown]

26. "Do they act in the party's best interest or their own selfish interests."

If you have to ask that question, you already know the answer.

[janx]

47. Yep. The outcome will be very interesting!

;-)

[Chicago Democrat]

31. Dean or Begala or Mickey Mouse for all I care.

[GingerSnaps]

39. They are listening to the Media

They should pick Dean and move on.

[dryan]

44. Dean question....

is he thinking of running for president in 2008--there might be a problem if he is.

[Cheswick2.0]

45. Howard Dean of course

The fact that he is thinking of running for the position is the only reason people are even talking about it.
He wakes people up and he is the only person talking about real verses cosmetic change in the party and how it does business. I know this is distressing to all the DLC employees who post here, but too bad.

[greenohio]

49. Who are the DLC employees you are talking about Ches?

Just curious.

[Quixote1818]

51. Who cares, party chair is really not that important any way.

Look at Ed Gillespie, he is not exactly the best looking, best speaker, most charismatic guy on the planet. We just need to run a decent candidate who is not a Mass. liberal for once and we will do fine. This DNC/Howard Dean as chair BS on DU is getting old. I have not been on DU for like a month and a half and I come back on and it's like I never left. This small percentage of Dean people have a chip on their shoulders and have something to prove and they are looking for a confrontation on here. This is really not about Howard Dean as much is it is about how a few of his followers need counseling or anger management. Move on please, life is too short to carry around so much anger and hurt forever. Howard Dean is not the ONLY good Democrat out their believe it or not.

[greenohio]

52. Amen.