Gallup poll: bush support drops; SETS RECORD

[LynnTheDem]

GALLUP: Bush support drops, setting record; most want Rummy gone

George W. Bush is the first incumbent president to drop to below 50 percent job approval one month after being re-elected.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/12/20/poll/index.html

Way to go, bush! A NEW RECORD in FAILURE!

[LisaM]

1. This is so strange

although it certainly lends credence to the whole election fraud thing.

[aquart]

8. Just a bit, yes.

[Skittles]

55. not at all, aquart

his favorable rating was below 50% up to November, then it magically jumped just in time for the election, after which time it immediately dropped back down again. We have just got to BELIEVE this, ya KNOW??? :o

[tom_paine]

25. Not strange at all. Amerika is an Empire and the re-appointment of

the Emperor was pre-ordianed in 2000 and 2002, when election fraud was allowed to incubate and wax STRONGER.

[autorank]

40. LisaM, congratulations, you said the magic word. This is B.S.

[TheFarseer]

2. What does it matter?

We're all stuck with him. I wonder what those knuckle-heads that just converted saw just now that they had been missing for FOUR years?

[tavalon]

26. Nobody converted

47% of the country voted for the moron. The exit polls (which are almost always correct, except in Bush years) said so. His supposed win came from changing the numbers.

[Pirate Smile]

3. This just pisses me off at the dip shits that voted for this asshole but

now "disapprove".

You FUCKING IDIOTS!

[liam97]

4. He wasn't re-elected

[Pirate Smile]

10. Well, then we have to prove it with more then we currently have. We

need a Deep Throat, damn-it.

[LibertyorDeath]

34. "We need a Deep Throat, damn-it"

I know I do

[okieinpain]

64. exactly, otherwise we just look like sore losers. but I think this is

just the beginning. I really think the 2006 elections will be a bell weather for 2008.

[frankly_fedup2]

38. No, Pirate Smile . . .

It's just even more proof that this man was not elected for his second term in office either.

The right-wing idiots were not the ones out there standing in line for up to 8 hours . . . they wouldn't dare.

The New "Moral Majority" wasn't out there either (no matter how many times Falwell states that it was the "Southern Christians" that won this election for Bush). The same percentage of "Christians" voted in this election that has voted in the last three, 12% and that is all.

The exit polls have always been right. . . except during the frauds that we now call our elections of 2000 and 2004. Only those two years have the exit polls been inaccurate.

His approval rating shows the truth. He cannot control polls . . .not yet anyway.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

43. 2002! 2002! You forgot the election in 2002!

2002! = Poland!

:o

[proudbluestater]

5. I don't think these stats apply to BOOSH, since he was not

elected EITHER time.

[coloradodem2005]

6. I don't know whether to laugh or go ape shit.

All you freepers and right-wing wannabes can kiss my white ass.

[TexasChick]

18. ROFLMAO!!! n/t

[Spinzonner]

7. Does it match the REAL exit polls ?

[enough]

12. Now there's an interesting question. (nt)

[aquart]

9. Because we did NOT vote for him.

Really, it's so simple.

[ooglymoogly]

11. any of you out there trust the gallop pol

fat chance!!!!!!!they were at least 5 to 7% off during the election in fks favor. yah i trust the slime,cnn gallop, praise jesus. his popularity pol is probably around 40% which makes more seance. since that is the percentage of nuts who think angels are flopping around overhead and speaking directly to the the burning bush.

[EVDebs]

13. I'm still not convinced the "Accidental President" is legit yet....

Former Pres. Jimmy Carter last week said even the UN wouldn't have certified this US election. And remember, the Ukrainian election was tossed out due to the evidence provided by EXIT POLLS. Ahem, exit polls all favored Sen Kerry on election night.

Now Scoop webzine has an article
"47 State Exit Poll Analysis Confirms Swing Anomaly", by Jonathan Simon
with Introduction by Scoop Co-Editor Alastair Thompson at http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00142.htm which has a fairly decent explanation of 'what went wrong' : Simon says

""...And yet: the average Red Shift in the noncritical states is 1.4%, but in the critical states it is 2.5%.

Why? Hard evidence must be found to account for this egregious statistical pattern and to prove the actual fraud. This preliminary analysis is fairly crude, and there are probably other, more telling ways to slice and dice the data. Also, note that there were three exit poll "sweeps" which led to updates around 4 pm, 8 pm, 12 midnight, following which the "exit polls" were really contaminated by tabulated data and of no use at all as a check mechanism.

I caught mostly the third sweep here (c. 12:20 am); my guess is the second sweep would show even more dramatic discrepancies. While the first sweep has come under skeptical attack for having a too great female (pro-Kerry) weighting (the figure I heard was 58%/42% female), it is at least plausible to me that morning/daytime voters would be disproportionately female because of work schedules, so it may well be just one of the specious rationalizations behind a very determined coverup (we just don't know). ""

The red shift here is not some astronomical term but an election slang terminology for Bush getting more votes in the post midnight exit polling. What IS important to note is the difference in critical vs. non-critical states. As noted earlier in the piece,

"The chance of this occurring in 4 of the 12 states in the absence of "mistabulation" can be computed using a simple probability equation and is approximately 0.002 or one in five-hundred. It's a relatively crude analysis and better analysis would have to wait on more complete data, but basically what it's telling us is that we can say with 99.8% certainty that "mistabulation" played some significant role in this election.

Now, with that kind of 99.8% certainty, I feel justified in asking for MORE information and proof of certainty in the vote and vote counting. More than justified...indeed.

Dick Morris was on Fox News election night speaking about the accuracy of exit polls. In fact, Morris' editorial suspects foul play (see http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/Comment/DickMorris/110404.html )
but blames faulty exit polling to explain the strange result ! :

"...Exit polls are almost never wrong. They eliminate the two major potential fallacies in survey research by correctly separating actual voters from those who pretend they will cast ballots but never do and by substituting actual observation for guesswork in judging the relative turnout of different parts of the state.

So reliable are the surveys that actually tap voters as they leave the polling places that they are used as guides to the relative honesty of elections in Third World countries. When I worked on Vicente Fox’s campaign in Mexico, for example, I was so fearful that the governing PRI would steal the election that I had the campaign commission two U.S. firms to conduct exit polls to be released immediately after the polls closed to foreclose the possibility of finagling with the returns. When the polls announced a seven-point Fox victory, mobs thronged the streets in a joyous celebration within minutes that made fraud in the actual counting impossible.

But this Tuesday, the networks did get the exit polls wrong""

Now, Republicans would like us to validate the Ukraine results and ignore the US results. Very strange bunch those neocons...

Steven F. Freeman of the University of Pennsylvania went as far as to say that the odds of all of those exit poll anomalies occurring by chance in the three battleground states of Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania are one in 662,000. It can be found on page 13 of the following PDF file:

http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/11/Expldiscrpv00oPt1.pdf

[Ms_Mary]

51. If we were the Ukraine, we'd be having a new election.

[The Flaming Red Head]

67. I remember Judy Woodruff at 2 am election night saying

"this is strange, this is so strange, but we now have NEW numbers for New Mexico."

She was so baffled, she lost all of her composure, and right then I knew for sure the fix was in again.

[proud patriot]

14. Gray Davis had a similar Drop ...Remind repukes hee hee

:D

[LittleClarkie]

15. Could it be Gallup was inflating the number?

And has now stopped inflating it, letting it sink to its natural state?

Or is it just that people are getting a whiff of Bush's real agenda, the one they heard little about during the campaign. And, like many of us, they don't like it?

Hmm...

[sundancekid]

16. talk about your proverbial "day late" ... please, let truth prevail

[mainer]

17. Let's look at the bright side of re-election...

Now we get the chance to impeach him.

[ArkDem]

24. Yeah, that majority in the house will get right on it.

[tavalon]

28. Oh, I so wish that were true

but as we saw with Clinton, impeachment is about politics and our party doesn't have the political clout at this point. It's going to take something huge for that to happen.

[journalist3072]

46. Two Points

1. Impeachment won't happen

2. I'm sorry, but I don't refer to this as Bush's 're-election.' This is an initial election for him (maybe--if he actually won). He wasn't elected to dog catcher in 2000.

[deadparrot]

19. Dammit, aren't we done with polling until mid-2006 or so?

[Walt Starr]

20. I;m beginning to think the whole aprroval rating poll thing is a scam

jack 'em up before the election, steal the thing overwhelmingly via BBV, then slowly drop 'em to the real levels.

[JI7]

29. like the media

they are now being somewhat critical of bush because they want democrats and others who don't support him to start watching again.

but they will start whoring for bush again just in time for 2006 elections.

[davidwparker]

56. I'm not watching MSM unless by chance, I happen to hear Dean

is on one of the shows. Then when it is off, click. And, turn on Air American again. Or watch Democracy Now.

[Telly Savalas]

30. Bush's approval rating numbers have been gradually sinking...

for over 3 years now. A month and a half ago, they were hovering around 50%. Over the course of the past few weeks they dipped a bit further. What's so fucking weird about that?

[Sparkle]

21. Bush is a miserable failure unelected fraud!

[GOPBasher]

22. Well it's easy to break that record, when he didn't actually win.

His approval was lower than 50% on election day, but Diebold pushed that up to 51%. Of course, that can never be proven, since it's impossible to verify the votes on their machines.

[scbluevoter]

23. THIS IS ALL A CLEVER RUSE. . .

by the media to make him out to be some great comeback kid after the inauguration because he will definitely get a bounce back above 50% afterwards. You know then they'll go back to polling 75% repubs.

[ailsagirl]

68. I wouldn't be surprised if this were a ruse because

the CEO of Gallup is a Repug

And Gallup's polls have been under scrutiny for awhile now by media watchdogs.

I don't trust them.

Zogby? Yes.

[Geek_Girl]

27. Well It Just Means that Either

The Election was stolen or

Americans are really stupid

:shrug:

[SmokingJacket]

33. Or both.

Maybe the election was stolen BECAUSE we're really stupid, and didn't make sure it couldn't happen.

ONE party dominates ownership of the voting machine companies, and refuses to allow anyone to examine the source code. Hello, recipe for disaster!

And that's only the tip of the whole stupid, suppressed, fraudulent election iceberg.

[maxsolomon]

31. no surprises

i believe most people don't approve of his performance, but the sliming of kerry was so thorough that a percentage of disapprovers held their nose & picked bush anyway.

that's what my parents said: kerry just wasn't a strong enough candidate. what a crap argument. pick the incompetent war criminal you disapprove of because you are'nt sure the war hero will be inflexible enough.

we don't talk much now.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

32. Great mention of vote fraud in story

Quote:

Although some groups have questioned the validity of voting in Ohio and other states, a large majority -- 77 percent -- of poll respondents indicated they thought the overall presidential election was fair. Nineteen percent said they thought incidents of fraud aided Bush's re-election.

That's a lot of tinfoil hats, people!

[Botany]

35. Hello does this not call out election fraud?

How are the repugs going to explain this along with dead in Iraq?

God, I hate those bastards!

:kick:


ttp://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/1012

[dw]

36. Get out the tobbagon, darlin'...

This is gonna be a long downhill slide.

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[blondeatlast]

37. Look at the tremendous post 9/11 leap. Shall we start a pool

on what the next "crisis" will be engineered for our Fearless Leadipshit?

[XemaSab]

41. What happened

Right around 5/20/03?

[dw]

48. "Mission Accomplished"

And the little rise December a year ago was a result of the capture of Saddam Hussein.

Those were the good ol' days.

[XemaSab]

53. Here's a graph

of my personal approval rating for dubya:

100%

90%

80%

70%

60%

50%

40%

30%

20%

10%

0% -----------------------------------------------------

---(Nov99)--(Nov00)--(Nov01)--(Nov02)--(Nov03)--(Nov04)


Note well the complete flatness of the line from the time he announced his candidacy, through the election, through the inauguration, through the terror attacks, through the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, through the entire 2004 campaign and election, up to the present day.

If we draw a trend line, the trend line indicates that my future approval rating is likely to continue to remain at 0%.

No spikes, no dips. This is 5 years of pure incredulity rendered in graphic format.

[tsuki]

66. You are the only pollster out there that I have faith in. eom

[Northern Experiment]

49. Was it the kickoff for Iraq?

I completely forgot the date for that.

[JoAnnSimon]

39. GW's Poll Ratings

I think GW's approval ratings at 49% just a month after his 'election' should tell most people that the majority of the populace did NOT vote for Bush in the 2004 election.

I'd say that the 49% approval rating just a month after the elections, would indicate that the elections were fixed, and only 49% of the public voted for Bush, while 51% of the public voted for Kerry.

Think about it.

[journalist3072]

42. Shrub's Current Poll Numbers

OK, I really don't understand this.

His poll numbers are in the toilet now, for the most part. And nothing has changed since the election. Everything we know about him now, we knew before the election.

This really furthers my suspicions that the election was stolen. I have a hard time imagining people stood in line for over 5 hours, in some cases 11 hours, to vote for the status quo, when they are unhappy about that status quo.

Someone enlighten me please.

[WithStamina]

44. Input...

Many people I know voted for Bush not because they approve on him, but because they disapprove of Kerry's "socialist" agenda. They viewed Bush as the lesser of two evils, just like many here view Kerry as the same. Not a great way to vote, but many seem to do it.

[journalist3072]

45. I can only hope they have buyer's regret

[trotsky]

59. And what exactly was "socialist" about Kerry's agenda?

Hmm? Even his healthcare plan used existing insurers and HMOs - it wasn't government-run or government-controller.

Fault the "liberal" media for allowing the Bush campaign's outright LIES about Kerry and his agenda to go completely unchallenged.

[Bridget Burke]

62. Boy, you know a lot of stupid people....

I'm in Texas & I know a stupid person when I see one.

[NVMojo]

47. finally, the true benchmark of this president ....

[Mend]

50. The visual: a flaccid penis, small in size...

[RaleighNCDUer]

52. He would not have achieved this dubious distinction

if the pre-election poll numbers hadn't been fudged to begin with.

[Skittles]

54. and he "won" the election

yeah RIGHT

[uppityperson]

57. he's my presdident, duh

gotta vote for him agin even ifn I aint happy with him cause he says what he means and I wanna drink beer with him, not that frenchfyer Kerry-lurch. duh. He told me we was doin good in Iraq, how come we're not? duh.

[murray hill farm]

58. Must be time for another 9/11

really...not kidding...that is the proven way to kick up those approval and support numbers...they know that it works...and it seems that the time is not only right, but so needed for so many reasons...maybe it can be directly blamed on Iraq...that would work.

[ecstatic]

60. That's cuz he didn't win in the first place

But don't hold your breath waiting for the media to ask the critical questions. It's not gonna happen!

[robbedvoter]

61. They just lowered a bit the GOP-ers overrepresentation in the poll

Just for drama. They'll rise it again after the Iraqi "elections" of the gutting of the Social Security - or some other designated glory. Polls schmolls.

[MasonJar]

63. Further proof that he did NOT win any election.

[tsuki]

65. Why should we believe any American Pollsters? They are the only

ones in the world that can screw up exit polls. Hacks.

[Radical Activist]

69. Does this confirm that we ran the wrong candidate?

That we need something more than someone who isn't Bush. Next time we're going to have to come up with a rallying cry other than "Bush is bad!"

[KnowerOfLogic]

70. Yeah, but he won the election fair and square. NOT. nt