Donna Brazile says (almost) - "Dems are baby killers"

[placton]

How pleasant to read this in SLATE'S daily headline summary:

"Following yesterday's LAT, the NYT says some leading Democrats are pushing the party to move away from a pro-choice platform. "All these issues that put us into the extreme and not the mainstream really hurt us with the heartland of the country," said Donna Brazile, once Al Gore's campaign manger. "Even I have trouble explaining to my family that we are not about killing babies." "

Do you think this quote will be used again and again against every pro-choice Dem?

And we wonder why we keep losing elections - this woman was Gore's campaign manager, and a candidate for party chair.

Spare me the crap about how the party chair's ideology means nothing. We are now gonna be the minority party forever - we are committing suicide. First Reid, then Pelosi, now this.

And the worst of all: we will gain precisely 0 pro-lifers with this stupid tactic, at the same time tossing our bases (read ME) into the ash heap.

[AntiCoup2K4]

1. AntiCoup2K4 says Donna Brazille is a campaign killer.

She deserves a good chunk of the blame for the 2000 election being close enough to steal, and is about as relevant as the new Iron Butterfly album.

[BrklynLiberal]

72. She is spewing the RW Fundie Neocon line on what "prochoice" means.

It does NOT mean babykilling and the fact that she would mouth those words in public means she had been bought and paid for by Rove and his men!! Pro-choice stands for a lot more than abortion. It means equitable and easy access to women's health options, and health alternatives both here and elsewhere in the world for both the poor and the rich alike, it means adequate prenatal and postnatal health care and health information for both mother and child, it means adequate education and nutrition for pregnant women and children the world over, it means adequate birth control education for both the poor and the rich, the world over. There is so very, very much more to CHOICE than mere baby-killing and if Donna Brazile cannot explain that, then she should not be representing me and my philosophies or my Democratic party!!!!!!

[DireStrike]

2. WTF? Extreme and not mainstream?

A majority of Americans want Roe v. Wade upheld.

[DELUSIONAL]

3. Isn't she a good friend of Rove's?

[drpdx]

4. She's as ball-less as the rest of them!

Anyone in the position of voting for DNC chair needs to continue to hear from those of us who do NOT want our right to choice dismantled. I'm really surprised at Donna B.

[placton]

8. The way she said it is the icing on the cake.

At least Pelosi is not calling our party baby-killers. What happens to former Dem campaign and administration people? Susan Estridge is another of her ilk. Fox must pay very well.

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[madrchsod]

6. donna is a dumb fuck

bush`s approval rating is below 50% and is the worst approval rating since wilson. the majority of woman in the united states believe it`s their choice on what to do. dumb fucks like her give the right wing shit talkers more shit to spew.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

7. Looks like the Democrats are determined to commit suicide.

But, I'll be watching from outside the party. After 39 years, they've finally convinced me that it's time to go.

[drpdx]

9. where to???

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. The Greens. Can't find a single thing in their platform I don't like.

Or, disagree with.

[Debs]

62. solon

I've been a Green since Gore chose Liberman as his running mate. If he was going to choose a democrat in name only why not go whole hog and call on Zell-moron-Miller. That was it for me.

[Warren DeMontague]

64. Right. If the perennial Democrat sell-out actually won elections

it might be a tough call. But it seems the DNC will do just about anything-- except find their collective balls on the issues.

As it is, I'm just about ready to switch to Green.

[placton]

10. with me, it's 50 years

but we do need to wait til after the first of the year.

I have written to the DNC about the party chair issue, and got a nice auto response (maybe it was signed with Rummy's auto pen).

And we used to be a great and united party.

[drpdx]

22. here's another way

Find out who in your state democratic party will be voting in the election for DNC chair, and get in touch with them.

[Mika]

11. She has a hard time convincing her family?

Then, how could anyone expect her to convince anyone else? :crazy:

[Crunchy Frog]

69. Maybe she's not the best person

for the Democratic party to have out there speaking on its behalf. Maybe that's one of the Democrat's real problems; getting people out there who can communicate our positions effectively.

Our party's position on abortion is the mainstream position. It's just that the people we have out there trying to explain it make us sound like we're out of the mainstream. Then, instead of sticking to our guns, we drift around whichever way the wind seems to be blowing. Then we sit around wondering why people think our party is the party of flip-floppers.

[MSgt213]

12. WTF is she talking about? pro-choice is the main stream

[nightperson]

71. Any 16 year old blogger knows that.

Any questions? Housecleaning time, big time.

[Pepperbelly]

13. She's absorbing virus through osmosis in her dealings with Kinda Sleazy.

:eyes:

[Blue Gardener]

14. If Dems are no longer pro-choice

Then I guess I need to find another party. I will not vote for anyone who thinks I am not intelligent enough to make up my own mind about my reproductive choices.
It isn't just about pro-choice or pro-life, it's about a woman's ability to make her own decisions. We all know the anti-abortion crowd wants to control not only access to abortions, but access to birth control, and no stem-cell research from embryos.
This woman is totally out of touch with the democratic base.

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[ldf]

68. my, you are so eloquent on the subject

care to tell us your true feelings?

[IndianaGreen]

36. Drink the Kool-Aid

I am sure that we will be hearing from some DLC apologists that will tell us that the shift to a pro-life position is part of some clever grand strategy to win elections, and that the Democrats will never outlaw abortion. I am also certain that some DUers will buy into that line of bullshit out of fear that their entire universe will collapse if they were to leave the Democratic Party, however Fascist it turns.

Well, let's see how many of the 50 judicial nominees that Bush is planning to send to Congress are opposed by Reid.

The party is over!

[Hippo_Tron]

55. I don't get the DLC, other than the appeal to corporations part...

I'm reading "What's the Matter With Kansas" right now, and the author basically says that the DLC was created to appeal to people who were rich and socially liberal so that they would contribute lots of money to the party. Now they are anti abortion? Doesn't that go against their platform of fiscally conservative socially liberal?

[x_y_no]

15. I'm no fan of Brazile ...

but anyone who buys a spin of "we are not about killing babies" to "Dems are baby killers" is a hopeless case anyway.

But we do have to frame our ethical position better, so that we're not always fighting on anti-choice turf. So long as the anti-choice crowd can plausibly claim that Democrats want to "kill babies" moments before a full-term normal birth, we're at enormous disadvantage even though most people in this nation really do support abortion rights.

[placton]

16. gentleperson

I believe I am not a hopeless case. Of course, being a good Dem, you wish to look at the "nuance" of Donna's foolish words. But do you think the average American will look at them that way? I think not.

As pointed out here: Donna wants us to abandon our base AND our support for a popular (pro-choice) issue.

Nuance that, my friend.

[enough already]

19. This is not going to end well

Abandoning long-held positions like this will be the death knell for the party. I can't believe this discussion is even taking place amongst our "leaders". What the hell is happening to this party?

[SemperEadem]

79. The party leadership isn't listening to people like us

they are taking their cues from Rove and his ilk and trying to steer the party to the right instead of steering it to the left.

While I understand their wanting to, in some respect, appeal to 'anti-choicers', abandoning the pro-choice stance to appear more aligned with the religious 'right' is unwise. Anti-choice is about more government intrusion in the private lives of the people of this country, without goverment 'paying' for the right to intrude.

The DNC leadership has lost two elections because they were more concerned with their egos and their influence in the campaign than they were with people knowing the issues and their not being defined by the rethugs. Once they allowed Rove, et al to define them, they were playing a losing game of damage control.

SBVT should have been sunk in one week. Kerry's medal chucking should have been shut down in one week. Vietnam should not have been allowed to be resurrected and pimped. Kerry should have been addressing everyone the way in which he handled the debates. He should have been in *'s face, not allowing him to squirm out of not answering questions, not allowing * to dodge his responsibility for destroying the surplus, pandering to the wealthy end of the right wing all the while burdening the middle class with a tax increase.

Now, they are allowing anti-choice rhetoric to define the party away from its core ideals.

[x_y_no]

23. I'll certainly grant her choice of words was poor ...

I don't deny the issue she raises, though, if I'm understanding what she was trying to say.

See the "Dean's remarks on choice from the DNC conference in Orlando" thread for more of my thoughts on the abortion issue and how we ought to be approaching it in order to get the hell out of the anti-choice crowd's framing of the issue.

[AP]

18. Lieberman. Brazille. Gore surrounded himself with some real stars.

[Pepperbelly]

29. no shit. And ther are STILL stinking up the joint. nt

[AP]

39. You know, I don't get paid to talk up the Democratic Party and I am able..

...to explain to my family that the party is about so much more than aborition rights (and I'm able to explain that abortion rights isn't about "killing babies").

I can't believe that this is Brazille's job and she admits she can't do it.

Either she's in the wrong profession or she's playing for the wrong team. (Or she's playing for the other team but she's not admitting it to the public.)

[American Tragedy]

53. You know, I find myself saying that a lot lately.

I would really enjoy working in political strategy, but the occupation seems to be reserved for the totally ineffectual.

[chaumont58]

42. Gore and Clinton

I read a thread somewhere on the DU blaming Bill Clinton for not getting Gore elected in 2000, and blaming the same thing on Clinton for Kerry's loss this year. I guess the poster wasn't paying close attention in 2000. Gore and Lieberman ran AWAY from Bill Clinton. Gore wouldn't even let Clinton campaign for him.
There are all kinds of history in all kind of people.

[Hippo_Tron]

56. AND Kerry took Bill Clinton's advice WAY too late in the campagin

Kerry and Clinton were on the phone while Bill was about to undergo heart surgery. Clinton basically had to tell him that he was letting Bush define him and failing to respond properly to the attacks. When he let Lockhart and Sasso on to the campaign and started taking advice from Carville and Begala, the race began to even out more than it was post convention.

[politicasista]

61. Another mistake by the pathetic campaign

Clinton and his advisers singlehandedly saved the race from being a landslide. If I were Kerry, I would have fired Cahill and Shrum long before the DNC.

[Hippo_Tron]

63. Carville, Begala, and Lockhart should've joined in March...

Cahill could've done the "management" but no strategy. Shrum should've been a speechwriter and nothing more. There are some people that know how to win elections, there are others that don't. This election was about winning and beating Bush more than anything else.

[Guaranteed]

20. Fucking cowardly piece of shit.

I am SO GODDAMNED SICK OF THIS.

Just anchors keeping our party down. Dead weight. These people need to go, NOW. ENOUGH!!

[punpirate]

21. One more indication...

... that current Democratic leadership is being calculating, rather than honest.

Quite apart from all the obvious remarks that can be made about the Democrats becoming like their opposition to regain respect, and the idiocy of that strategy, such moves simply reinforce in the minds of long-time Democrats that the official party no longer represents them.

Despite the fact that the process of building a new party from scratch is a time-consuming process (ask anyone who's been a Green Party member for ten or fifteen years), I'm rapidly coming to the opinion that it has to be done. The Democratic Party, having allowed Republicans to define the "center," have moved steadily rightward chasing just a few swing votes and gobs of corporate cash, and in doing so, have ignored or alienated vast reserves of disenfranchised and disenchanted voters.

I think, after considerable thought, that a new progressive party, dedicated to a few core principles--no unnecessary wars, a well-regulated system of capital, economic fairness (i.e., decent wages and the sort of graduated tax system which worked well to minimize the gulf between rich and poor), a return to an economy based upon manufacturing, rather than financialization, and sensible energy, environmental and education policies would do very well. Yes, that sounds a lot like the Green Party, but the Green party is burdened by a public perception of extremism (helpfully fostered by the press).

It would take ten or fifteen years to build, but may be the only way to effectively change the direction of the country. If the Democratic Party suddenly lost 15-20% of its base to a new party, it would probably have to deal with that divided constituency in the same way that the traditional Republican Party has had to accommodate the religious right and the neo-conservatives.

But, one thing for sure, from now on--continued passive, tacit approval of any Democratic candidate simply because he or she is a Democrat, and therefore, not a Republican, is no longer advisable. A lot of Democrats running for office today are Republicans (moderate ones, to be sure). Besides, what difference would it make to initially lose races? The Democrats have lost three straight general elections by trying to imitate the opposition, all the while fronting candidates who less and less resemble their true constituency. If that's not a prescription for disaster, I don't know what is.

[quiet.american]

24. Abortions up under Bush, down under Clinton

Why can't she think of that talking point?

What a Kool-Aid drinker!

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[The Flaming Red Head]

25. Let's make them leave the party. We're the REAL Democrats.

I'm a baby murderer, to the Democratic Party leaders, because I have had an abortion and I don't regret my decision.

How dare they, do they know, how many women they are offending?

Every number has a person behind it and labeling millions and millions of women as accomplices to murder is no way to win their votes.

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[Pepperbelly]

58. who died and left you in charge? nt

[w4rma]

28. Why does big media care what Brazile thinks? She no longer has a job

within the Democratic Party.

[charlie]

32. She's the chair

of the DNC's Voting Rights Institute. When time comes to select a new DNC head, she'll be one of the 400 some-odd votes that chooses him/her.

[robbedvoter]

37. Voting Rights institute - another successful DNC entreprise. Where

are they now? Shouldn't Donna be busy with our votes rather than blabbling GOP memes?

[charlie]

38. On the case

Poised to ferret out the dirty details and reveal all... long after the time it'll taint Bush or matter a whit to the media.

And this week the DNC announced that we will conduct a thorough investigation into various election administration issues that arose in the state of Ohio during the 2004 election.

We are launching this comprehensive investigative study not to contest the results of the 2004 election, but to help ensure that every eligible vote cast is truly counted.

This study will address the legitimate questions and concerns that have been raised in Ohio about provisional ballots, long lines at polling places, and questions about voting machines. Our goal is to understand and report back on what happened and why.

In the next few weeks, we will be assembling a team of recognized experts in the relevant fields to conduct this study. This team will be supported by state and national staff members who were involved in Ohio. We expect this study to take several months and hope to publish a final report in the spring of 2005.

http://www.democrats.org/vri/news/200412140003.html

[w4rma]

49. They HAVEN'T EVEN ASSEMBLED A TEAM YET?

Unfreakingbelievable! Get this incompetant FOOL out of the chairmanship.

[w4rma]

47. She is the CHAIR of the "institute" that should be dealing with the Ohio

mess?!?! Unfreakingbelievable.

[robbedvoter]

33. Neither has Zell. Or Koch. It's precisely the point. Sell out , they'll

hear ya all right.

[Hippo_Tron]

57. Zell's a professional duelist...

And a lame duck senator, of course.

[luaneryder]

30. Gee, what a helpful statement.

Will go a long way with a Rovian spin. If this woman is not capable of explaining the Dem platform to her own family why should she be a spokesperson in any fashion? I've never understood her appeal anyway; she's such a lightweight and has trouble getting her point across in the debates and panels I've seen her on.

[robbedvoter]

31. Donna & Karl, sitting in a tree....

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/21/politics/21BRAZ.html?ei=5062&en=3e195a743382c294&ex=104649 4800&partner=GOOGLE&pagewanted=print&position=top
February 21, 2003
Frustrated Democrat Makes Friends in G.O.P.
By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE
ASHINGTON -- Two years ago, Donna Brazile, then Al Gore's
campaign manager, was
engaged in daily combat with Karl Rove, then George W. Bush's
top campaign strategist.
Today, they chirpily exchange e-mail, chat on the phone and write
letters, indulging in their shared
zeal for the inner workings of politics.
"I like her a lot," said Mr. Rove, now ensconced in the West Wing as
President Bush's chief political
adviser.
snip
"The Republicans are in charge," she said. "I don't want
African-Americans to wait four years or
eight years for the Democrats to get back in the game before we make
snip
Mr. Rove said. "She
is, first of all, a great American before she's a partisan, and she
isn't stuck in the 2000
election."

[IndianaGreen]

34. Brazile is a cow that is personal friends with the pig Squealer (Rove)

if we are to use Orwell's Animal farm as an analogy. Brazile's views are representative of conservative Democrats that pass themselves as moderates. They are the enemy within!

[femme.democratique]

40. Fuck that bitch.....since when are womens rights "extreme"

I REALLY want to use the C word right now, I am sick of these namby-pamby Democrats. For instance, I would NEVER have an abortion but I would riot in the streets to maintain the right to choose. I have defended my position to many, without any remorse or apology. This is a CRUCIAL principle. What the moronic Democrats don't understand is this time its abortion, next issue will be something else- the conservative end goal is not to end abortion, BUT TO CONTROL WOMEN, NON-WHITES, NON-CHRISTIANS and GAYS! I am sick of the Democratic party, and before people here flame me for criticizing the hypocrites - it is your support that enables this regressive thinking which moves into the realm of policy!

[brook]

41. I am sick to death...

of 'finger in the wind' politics. If we Democrats are not offending someone, then we're doing it wrong.

IMHO, abortion is a personal matter and never did belong in the poitical arena. The left has failed us by allowing the right to shape the issue. Not the least of our errors has been in allowing the fallacious label "late term abortion" to become part of the lexicon.

OTH, I find myself overwhelmed by the sheer number of assaults being perpetrated on our society by the fundies and neocons - and feel as if I'm approaching an elephant with a bb gun.

[IndianaGreen]

44. The Left did not fail, it is the Democrats that are failing

The Left has always opposed any restrictions on abortion, as it has opposed any intrusion of sectarianism into the public square.

Soviet women had more abortion rights in 1920 than American women do in 2004!

[Zinfandel]

43. See the best film of 2004 "Vera Drake"!!! Do you think she's a bad woman?

Imelda Staunton plays a cleaning lady in early 1950s London, where wartime rationing is still in effect and poverty is the general reality. Vera Drake has a another, secret existence, "helping out girls who get in trouble." She is an abortionist, but doesn't think of it that way, accepts no payment, is a melodious plum pudding of a woman whose thoughts are entirely pragmatic.

Abortion is illegal at this time, although Mike Leigh's film shows how easily one can be obtained by the wealthy, whose doctors sign them into private clinics. For poor and desperate women, there is Vera. Leigh creates the woman and her family with gentle perception and an eye for small details that build up the larger reality; the scene where the police come to call has an urgency in which silence, shame, grief and love struggle for space in the small lives of these people.

Some of the women who come to her have piteous stories; they were raped, they are still almost children, they will kill themselves if their parents find out, or in one case there are seven mouths to feed and the mother lacks the will to carry on. But Vera is not a social worker who provides counseling; she is simply being helpful by doing something she believes she can do safely. Her age-old method involves lye soap, disinfectant and, of course, lots of hot water, and another abortionist describes her method as "safe as houses."

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041021/REVIEWS/40921004/1023

[agincourt]

45. Ahh duuuh,

did maybe we ever think that a fertilized egg is not a Baaaby? Next they'll call jacked off sperm cells "baaabies". It's the holocaust people right here on the living room floor.

[ElectroPrincess]

46. Donna Brazille reveals that she is a true *republican*

It's time for her to switch parties. I'm tired of seeing her smile while Bay Bucannan figuratively hands her her a** on CNN. It's disgusting and she does NOT represent the people of the democratic party in any way, shape or form. She's merely a "straight woman" in the GOPs trash LIBERALS dog and pony show.

[Obviousman]

48. Wow

It really seems like the party is falling apart at the seams. Rove must be laughing at us all.

[Moloch]

50. My God!

What is wrong with this person. I think she has gone absolutely nuts!
First she is friends with Karl Rove and now this.

[American Tragedy]

51. Somehow I'm not surprised that SHE can't convince her own family

having seen her on Crossfire.

Perhaps the problem is that we're stuck with people like Donna Brazile to explain "our" position!

[AP]

52. Other bad advice from Brazille: everyone but Dean should drop out...

...which she advised last December. I also distinctly remember her saying on Tavis Smiley that the Democrats cannot run on the economy and that they had to talk about war all the time or voters wouldn't trust them on national security.

[American Tragedy]

54. Even supporters of Dean ought to see how crazy and presumptuous that is

and it affirms my suspicion that people like her resent primaries and anything that gives some choices to the Democratic base.

[Miami Liberal]

59. Just switch parties already Donna

go "strategerize" with your good buddy Rove.

[proudbluestater]

60. Donna Brazille is a Republican

At one point in my lifetime, 80% of the population were pro-choice. Because this party does not talk about what it means to be pro-choice and the fact that abortion rates climb under Bush due to his "abstinence-based" education (just say NO!), we should tell the base of the party to fuck off? Because the party is unable to articulate its position effectively and therefore ignores its stance? Tries to back away from it? Disown it?

Here's my response to the Dems who back this scheme. Go Cheney yourself.

[Forever Free]

65. Donna Brazille is a TRUE DEMOCRAT, stop with the attacks already

They're stupid, petty, and misinformed. She did NOT say that the Democrats are for killing babies. She merely expressed the view (which i happen to agree with) that many in the electorate have a grave misconception that the Democratic Party is for abortions on demand. Your little attempt to mischaracterize her words and portray her as a sellout and a Republican is disgusting not to mention incredibly stupid.

Don't any of you guys remember what Howard Dean said about abortion yesterday? He said we should be accepting of pro-life Democrats and that the party is an open tent. I swear, THIS is PRECISELY why we lose elections. We always have this petty squabbling and bickering. I also enjoy how fast many DUers turned on John Kerry after the election. With Democrats like you folks, who needs Republicans?

[BrklynLiberal]

70. NOT! n/t

[JerseygirlCT]

66. Tossing our base, and worse, tossing our integrity

This is beyond stupid.

Suddenly, everything we've believed is wrong? Suddenly we're supposed to say -- well oh yeah, the hell with women?

We have strong principles. We ought to stand by them.

[BrklynLiberal]

67. If she cannot "figure out a way to explain" it, then she is definitely in

the wrong party!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BrklynLiberal]

73. She is spewing the RW Fundie Neocon line on what "prochoice" means.

It does NOT mean babykilling and the fact that she would mouth those words in public means she had been bought and paid for by Rove and his men!! Pro-choice stands for a lot more than abortion. It means equitable and easy access to women's health options, and health alternatives both here and elsewhere in the world for both the poor and the rich alike, it means adequate prenatal and postnatal health care and health information for both mother and child, it means adequate education and nutrition for pregnant women and children the world over, it means adequate birth control education for both the poor and the rich, the world over. There is so very, very much more to CHOICE than mere baby-killing and if Donna Brazile cannot explain that, then she should not be representing me and my philosophies or my Democratic party!!!!!!

[nightperson]

74. These folks are not just wrong they're stupid:

"And the worst of all: we will gain precisely 0 pro-lifers with this stupid tactic, at the same time tossing our bases (read ME) into the ash heap."

Infuckingdeed. Bright side: The "Dem" collapse on choice just helps the rise of the blogosphere and people who aren't smarmy middle-aged affluent losers.

[zulchzulu]

75. Reason #3,212 that Brazile is an IDIOT

She really has nothing to stand on as to why she is even in any dialogue that makes decisions for the Democratic Party.

[Shopaholic]

76. Could the GOP just go ahead and induct her into their little cult

so we could rid of this damned woman? I want to see her banished from the talk show circuit as she claims she's speaking as a Demcorat, for members of our party. She is NOT speaking for me and the majority of Democrats when she constantly kisses Repug ass at every available opportunity. Wonder how much Rove pays her to shill for the 'pukes?

[jellybelly]

77. exactly

this will just inspire the republican base to think they were right all along on abortion because the dems keep changing positions. The democratic party will never gain new voters. What a dumbass tactic:crazy:

[Tinoire]

78. Ah yes... Donna... The Republican who shut down the anti-war voice

in the party; the other Black part of the Conrad-Black-Lieberman McCain cabal whose successful goal was to crush Democratic opposition to the war before, during and after the elections, Primaries included.

This is the woman who attacked Daschle for "insufficient hawkishness" on Iraq.

Urgh....
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Democratic strategist Donna Brazile says she backs President Bush's war to overthrow Saddam Hussein and wants her party's leaders to project a stronger message that they support what U.S. troops are doing in Iraq.

(snip)

She says top Democrats have tilted too much of their message to curry favor with anti-war activists, ignoring swing voters and independents, and have failed to give their rank and file a well-thought-out position on how to deal with the national security threats posed by Saddam's regime.

(snip)

Miss Brazile's remarks on Iraq represented a sharp break with Democrats in the Congressional Black Caucus, most of whom do not support Mr. Bush's plan to disarm and depose the Iraqi dictator.

"I don't want to make any comment on the Black Caucus' position. They have their reasons. For many people this is a moral issue," she said.

(snip)

Among the things she wants to discuss with Mr. Rove is a meeting between the president and the Congressional Black Caucus.

"I'm urging them to do this to discuss where they can agree on domestic issues, such as Bush's faith-based initiative," she said.

http://www.afrocentricnews.com/html/iraq_war_overview.html

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She sneers that the Congressional Black Caucus members seem to "have their reasons," for not applauding the war. She says that for President, she could "support Lieberman. Gephardt or Lieberman."

(snip)

http://www.defenddemocracy.org/in_the_media/in_the_media_show.htm?doc_id=161071&attrib_id=7378

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Then we have this :

Democrat consultant Donna Brazile told HUMAN EVENTS she wouldn't seek her party's leadership post at the Democratic National Committee, and declined to offer an endorsement, calling the current slate of candidates inadequate.

"The current list of candidates, in my judgment, are not up to the task, but we'll see what emerges in the next couple weeks," said Brazile, who was a panelist Tuesday at a liberal strategy session organized by the Center for American Progress. ((!!!!))

which generated these comments at Free Republic


You know, I actually really respect Donna Brazile. She's one of the smartest the Dems have got.

(snip)

Donna Brazile is one cool and smart chick. She gets along very well with Karl Rove. She should switch parties, and join up with Karl Rove and Ken Mehlman. Her Democrat Party is a bunch of losers from A-Z. Plus, as a Republican she could absolutely be a tremendous force in moving Black Americans forward which "her" Democrats have never done at all.

(SNIP)

She should switch parties, and join up with Karl Rove and Ken Mehlman.... That would be cool. Never gonna happen, but it would be cool

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1288137/posts(snip)
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(snip)

We knew it all the time. Black Democratic National Committee member Donna Brazile, who convinced former Illinois Senator Carol Moseley-Braun to run for in primaries, is a supporter of the party's rightwing, Bush-minded champion, Joseph Lieberman - the Connecticut Senator with the corporate bucks.

http://www.blackcommentator.com/36/36_issues.html

[SemperEadem]

80. except

"as a Republican she could absolutely be a tremendous force in moving Black Americans forward which "her" Democrats have never done at all."

Donna Brazille isn't in touch with black americans, so they wouldn't follow her anywhere because they, for the most part, don't know who she is or what she stands for.

[DrGonzoLives]

81. Why must EVERYTHING be about abortion?

I'm sick of it. The political debate in this country is about abortion. Pro-choice, anti-choice, whatever, that now defines where on the spectrum you are. It has truned millions, on BOTH sides, into single-issue voters who just look at candidates' positions on abortion to decide who to vote for.

This is exactly what the Republicans wanted when they brought this to the forefront - make it the defining bit of debate. And we seem oh so willing to jump right into that trap.

What about education? College tuition? Health care? Foreign policy? Who cares, we have to spend all our time sweating about abortion.