Do what you must...

[kentuck]

And I will do as my conscience guides me. If you want the Party to go one way or another, that is your choice. If you think the Party can win by doing one thing or another, that is your decision. I will no longer waste my time trying to explain or persuade. If the present Party thinks my vote is not worth arguing about, then so be it. I will see them farther on down the road. I do not have to choose either way. My words are useless fodder thrown into the wind. Good luck.

[ElectroPrincess]

1. I commend you for attempting to fully discuss the issues ...

Unfortunately there are some of us who have been labeled "leftists" by some of the DNCers here. To us we only receive a verbal backhand.

The only impression I can receive from certain *dominant* if not bullying members here is: If you don't agree with the DNC, you're part of the problem, i.e., don't let the door hit you in the ass.

I don't like bullies, therefore, I will NOT argue with mean spirited people here, but instead ACT through my time and my 2006 vote.

[thinkingwoman]

2. wow, I've seen just the opposite

From what I have seen it is the moderate Dems who are bullied into silence on this site. If you happen to agree with the DLC (or Evan Bayh) about anything Gawd help you!

BTW, I'm not discounting your experience, just relating mine. I believe you are experiencing what you describe and I wonder what that means.

[kentuck]

3. It's because Evan Bayh is part of the problem....

and not part of the solution, in my opinion. And it is the futility of trying to get anyone else to recognize that. It is futile. I am quickly coming to that conclusion. If you want Evan Bayh to lead the Party, good luck.

[Lostnote03]

5. Can Edwards act as Temp.Chair until he is sworn in as VP???n/t

[kentuck]

7. I could compromise on that ....

:)

[thinkingwoman]

6. c'mon kentuck

your posts are usually more spot on than this. Where oh where in my post did I advocate for Bayh to lead the party?

I simply stated something I have observed here at DU. You did not address my point at all.

[kentuck]

9. Sorry thinkingwoman...I did not mean to suggest you...

were supportive of Evan Bayh but that attitude and belief by those that do support Evan Bayh and his type of politics are not open to any suggestion that we may be going in the wrong direction? And I think the bullying comes from both sides, perhaps a little more form the more left side because they are naturally more passionate about their politics - just like Southerners. :) My point being that it seems to be futile to even try and persuade by any means. Let's just do what we must and if some of us have to leave the Party, then so be it, because I have not been effectively persuaded that Evan Bayh has the solution.

[thinkingwoman]

12. no problem...think nothing of it

I'm afraid you might be right about it being futile to try to persuade...but I hope you keep trying. I don't think the party needs to move right or left. I think we need to fight for fair and verifiable voting procedures nationwide.

I may be in the minority, but I don't necessarily think leaving the party is a disaster. I'm of the radical belief that a new party may be what is needed...not a made over green or Dem party.

I don't know the answer. I just know that if we all stop talking we're going to be in more trouble. Take a break if you need (on the persuasion attempts) but please don't give up. Your threads are ones I always open.

[thinkingwoman]

13. no problem...think nothing of it

I'm afraid you might be right about it being futile to try to persuade...but I hope you keep trying. I don't think the party needs to move right or left. I think we need to fight for fair and verifiable voting procedures nationwide.

I may be in the minority, but I don't necessarily think leaving the party is a disaster. I'm of the radical belief that a new party may be what is needed...not a made over green or Dem party.

I don't know the answer. I just know that if we all stop talking we're going to be in more trouble. Take a break if you need (on the persuasion attempts) but please don't give up. Your threads are ones I always open.

[thinkingwoman]

16. the post so nice

I made it twice.


Sorry for the double post. Stupid puter.

[ElectroPrincess]

4. You make an excellent point ...

I believe that we're talking past each other.

However, the one NO compromise is a woman's choice. What many "let's embrace only pro-life" laws Democrats do NOT understand that outlawing abortion is ONLY the first step in disenfranchising working class women. Following *very close* behind outlawing abortion will be efforts to OUTLAW Birth Control.

We can NOT take choice away from women. That would move this country to the far far right. It may take decades to recover our democracy.

My point: We should be polite and listen to each other but "a woman's right to choose" is NON-negotiable.

[thinkingwoman]

8. Yes! Talking past each other...

That's it. And some (not that many really, but some) are wasting time and energy talking down the other side (this is happening both ways imho).

I completely agree with you that choice should be non-negotiable. In fact, ALL health care decisions should be up to patient and doctor...get government (and health insurance execs) OUT of all health care choices completely.

I think that is a position that Dems could take that would reframe the issue and broaden the base at the same time.

[kentuck]

10. I agree.

Not only womens rights, but I would add SS to that because we must protect our elderly.

[w13rd0]

11. Of course...

...Republicans also like to cry victim loudest when their failures are most evident. After several election cycle losses, well, go ahead and whine and cry victim, the DLC and the Bush enabling Democrats are still wrong, and no one will vote for them for all their "re-branding". When some tabacco company "re-brands" itself, they find it easy, because few oppose their efforts. The Republicans will fight any DLC "re-branding", and the result will be that the DLC will foist upon us even more "re-branding". It's a self-defeating effort. As long as the GOP controls the terms of the debate, DNC candidates will lose, regardless how much they try to look like a kinder, gentler RNC.

[ulysses]

14. chin up, kentuck.

Reforming the party won't happen overnight. Keep up the good fight.

:thumbsup:

[welshTerrier2]

15. do you really believe that ??

i can tell you that i've learned many things from many people here on DU ... and perhaps i even help enlighten someone else with my ideas once in awhile ...

do you really believe, after 25,000 posts (congrats, btw) that you have no influence ???

we could all just go about our own business and say nothing ... we could all just act and say no words ... we could all just stop communicating with each other ... it seems to me that one purpose served by DU is the nurturing, evolution and strengthening of our best ideas ...

so, kentuck, disparage yourself all you want ... but your words are not "useless fodder" ... and i'm glad for that ...