I will vote for John Kerry again in 08.

[greenbriar]

several presidents didn't win their first time out of the gate, and he really does understand and care.

I believe he learned from this year and will NOT repeat the same mistakes

[w4rma]

1. He's not running in '08. (nt)

[greenbriar]

3. I bet he does

I hope he does

[jpgray]

2. In the general I would, but again I will not caucus for him

I think it is the duty of all progressives to work for or at least vote/caucus for a truly progressive candidate. Kerry doesn't cut it for me like Dennis, for example.

[Deja Q]

4. And he told you that with enough proof to fill a semi, yes?

If we didn't learn by after Selection 2000, we never well.

Kerry ultimately proved * right in *'s accusations of Kerry being a flip-flopper. Kerry appeared to say and be "No surrender". Until 16 hours after the election, after which he was more than happy to surrender despite paperless voting machines, exit polls that atypically didn't reflect actual voting results, and everything else that'd been posted on DU.

Sorry, I will not vote Kerry in 2008.

Edit: Grammar

[elshiva]

21. Kerry reminds me of Rimmer from Red Dwarf

down to the silly salute and that's a compliment to Kerry.

[LittleClarkie]

33. I liked Arnold Judas Rimmer

I could identify with that old smeg head. He was like the geeky kid in school.

That's Kerry all right. The debate geek beat out by the popular jerk.

2008 -- REVENGE OF THE NERDS!!!

[elshiva]

41. Rimmer 2008

LOL, Ya did again. LittleClarkie. Thanks.
Before his concession speech Kerry did his salute plus a smart prayer bow to the audience. I cried. What the smeg else could you want?

[Annus Horribilis]

5. If He Becomes The Nominee, I Will Support Him 100%

But I won't support him during the primaries.

[NVMojo]

6. I will back him too but I hope he fires his campaign team first ...

[greenbriar]

8. I bet he gets someone with

huge ones next time

[Pirate Smile]

7. How many times did Reagan run before he won.

I realize he never won the nomination before 1980 but wasn't it a running joke about how often he ran for Prez?

I was only 11 years-old.

[greenbriar]

11. just once I believe in 76

he was govn. of Cali before that

[Zynx]

17. He ran in 1968 too.

He didn't get very far though.

[buddysmellgood]

9. I think it's premature to think about a second term.

[Fovea]

10. If I am alive in 08

I will vote for the most progressive candidate, I think.
If that is a Dem, great!

[THUNDER HANDS]

12. I don't care who gets the nomination

But I want to see BOTH Kerry and Gore in the primaries in 2007.

[greenbriar]

13. how about a Gore/KERRY

ticket

[Withywindle]

29. Oh SWEET!

"This time it's personal!"



(And Gore's a Southerner.)

[Jo March]

14. I'll vote for him as well.

I believe in Kerry and what he said. I don't agree with him 100% but I don't agree with ANY candidate 100%.

[HomerRamone]

15. If the certification of Bush happens without being contested

I won't even vote for Kerry for senator again (I live in MA). How DARE he not fight for all the effort (and money) we gave him.

[robbedvoter]

16. But he did win. Then folded.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Benjamin Franklin

[elshiva]

19. Any Real Democrat in 08

includes Kerry if he is nominated. Don't support anyone in primaries cos I tend to two-time (already petitioned for Hillary AND Dean for 08). Won't be the same thing cos 2008 ain't gonna be no 2004.
God Bless, y'all.

[seaglass]

24. Wow, how did he win? Did you call him up and tell him? n/t

[Old and In the Way]

18. I would too.

But there best be some serious election reform or it really won't matter who we choose.

[Tom Rinaldo]

20. He would be far from the top of my list

Definitely would rank Kerry much lower in 2008 then he was for me in 2004, and he wasn't first for me this year (and yes I worked hard to get Kerry elected this time after he became our nominee). For me it is inexcusable that Kerry did not even comment on significant voter irregularities at the time of his concession. I could have lived with him saying he did not believe enough votes were there to overturn the election IF he used his statement to also deplore lack of paper audits on touch screen voting, and organized efforts to disenfranchise voters. That was the very least I expected of him.

I would vote for Kerry over Lieberman. That's as far as I will take it.

[BattyDem]

22. Folks, may I point something out ...

If we don't take care of the election fraud and the rigged machines, it really doesn't matter who you vote for in 2008. Gore WON in 2000. Kerry WON in 2004. Gore never got to take the oath of office ... and unless something spectacular happens in the next couple of days, Kerry won't either.

What makes you think your votes are going to count in 2008? If anything, the Repugs will put MORE electronic machines into place by then.

[LittleClarkie]

35. That's why I'm glad he's talking about election reform legislation

And I will expect to see it happen. But unlike McCain/Feingold, they're going to have to make sure it doesn't have holes like a piece of swiss cheese.

[IDemo]

23. Sounds like he is still considering the possibility:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6777696/site/newsweek/

[EVDebs]

25. Don't worry, by 2008 anyone but a Republican for Pres will do !

But I'll vote for Kerry in '08, no problemo.

[StephanieMarie]

26. What good will it do without election reform they'll just keep

stealing elections every time. They think they've gotten away with it this time, so there's nothing to stop them!

[Withywindle]

27. Yup

Too soon to make a commitment. Too many variables. But I like Kerry a lot and have no grudges. It'd be nice to give someone a CHANCE to learn from mistakes instead of feeling like we have to reinvent the wheel every time.

[LittleClarkie]

28. I will WORK for John Kerry again in 08.

He was the right guy in 04. Nothing has changed. He's still supremely qualified to be our president. Now if we can only work on his PR skills and getting him to let his guard down once in a while so that his heart be seen. It's a good heart.

[MercutioATC]

30. Ah! We have a masochist among us...

Luckily, I don't think "Mr. Electable" will run in 2008.

[Still_Loves_John]

49. That's not the best way to try and antagonize a true Kerry supporter

Those of us who really supported Kerry never did so because we thought he was "electable," we supported him because we really believed in him. Too bad his campaign got bogged down right out of the gate by people like you who argued that no one really liked Kerry and that his nomination was a calculated move.

[MercutioATC]

51. I'm just stating an opinion. Kerry lost because of Kerry.

Some of us had serious reservations about him from the beginning.

[Still_Loves_John]

52. And you are allowed to have that opinion

But what I am saying is that when you taunt Kerry by calling him "Mr. Electable," you're saying that all anyone ever saw in him was electability, and you're discounting the feelings of everyone who really was inspired by him.

[MercutioATC]

54. That's not what I meant to imply.

I was referring to those who switched their votes to him in the primaries because they felt that he was more "electable" than the other candidates.

I realize that there were people who truly liked him.

[Still_Loves_John]

55. Thanks, that's all I needed

I get a little sensitive about it sometimes. It just brings me back to the primaries, when we were all fighting.

[MercutioATC]

56. I understand, and I apologize.

That really wasn't my intent.

[GRLMGC]

31. I'll support him

and I don't give a flying fuck what anyone else says.

[LittleClarkie]

32. self delete

deleting dupe

[CRYINGWOLFOWITZ]

34. we all saw the effictiveness of gore in 4--and gore actually won

so this is not serious. it wont last half as long as the gore in 4 thing lasted, 2 years

[LittleClarkie]

36. Expecting another 9/11 are we

That's why it didn't last, I should think.

I still wonder how much support Gore had, and how intense it was. What was it like in 2000? I wasn't paying attention.

It is said that just like in 2004, people thought Gore won his first debate. But as some said at the time, no one felt compelled to stay up all night talking about how he'd won the debate.

People said the end of this campaign felt Clinton-ish, not Gor-ish, or Dukakis-ish, or Mondale-ish.

So how does Kerry's support measure up to how folks felt about Gore in 2000? Can someone give me a sense?

[Pirate Smile]

43. Gore disappeared and didn't have a platform to speak from.

Kerry is still in the Senate.

[LittleClarkie]

44. Or will be when they open up this week

Well, when he gets back anyway.

Gore dropped out of sight on purpose I think.

How long was it before he cropped up again, all Grizzly Adams-ed. Did someone say he gave a speech saying "Do you see a difference NOW?!" or is that my imagination?

I would have liked to see that speech.

[OhioBlue]

37. I would also vote for Kerry in '08

I was disappointed with the campaign, but I really think he knew how important it was and was trying to do anything (listening to too many opinions obviously) to save us. I'm so sad he isn't our Pres-elect.

[marcologico]

38. I'll vote for Kerry again and I'm not even a Democrat

I'm registered Peace and Freedom but I was deliriously happy to vote for Kerry/Edwards in '04 and I will gladly vote for his REELECTION in '08!

[LittleClarkie]

45. Mwah! So (going for the gold) we got Republicans in the house?

How about y'all. Would you vote Kerry again if the guy on your side of the aisle is unacceptable again?

[fishingriver]

39. Losing Once Wasn't Enough?

I learned some things from this election. One of them is that John Kerry was the wrong person to run for president. The other is that the democrat party has lost its identity.
Rove played Kerry as indecisive and Kerry helped him make it work. Kerry was vulnerable because there was no resolution to his message. America is divided in half and Kerry played the middle so hard he looked like a weak choice to the liberals and an even weaker choice to the conservatives. There was no passion in his appeal that included the stuff that gets in our hearts. The hard hitting simple truth. No clear message on what he would do in Iraq because Kerry didn't have a clear plan. He needed one. That issue alone may have cost him the election.
I supported Kerry, volunteered at rallies, distributed material, wrote, registered voters, did everything I could and never during this could I make myself see him as much more than "anybody but Bush".
Kerry spent all his money and energy in the cities where he already had the votes. Rural and small town America were left out of his state by state campaign. There was no grand democrat plan for the election. They fucked us with this irresponsibly run campaign....IMHO.
The last thing in the world I am going to do is overlook the fact that the democrat party blew it. If we don't learn from this one we are going to keep losing. We had better get organized, define who we are in clear terms and be prepared to fight. If we don't we are going to be stuck with weak candidates in every election and they will defeat us. Its that simple IMO.
Replacing the head of the democrat party may help, but it is not going to solve our problems. We are identified by the people we have representing us...the ones who are already in office. The democrats have allowed the republicans to dominate them since the day after 911. They looked weak then, and if they don't stand up and become a real opposition party now they are going to humiliate themselves and our party into non-existence.

[GRLMGC]

42. the Democratic party?

You have a point. The Democratic Party needs to be more on the offensive because their backing down against the Republicans just encourages the Repubs to push their more and more conservative agenda w/o fear of opposition.

[fishingriver]

50. Nobody respects weakness

If the democrats become more like republicans, they will make themselves look as if they don't have a position worth fighting for. It would be delivering the message that we don't stand for anything, instead we become whatever we think will capture votes. It conveys weakness and no one respects weakness in a leader. That is why Bush won. They made Kerry look weak and he let them. It worked in part because the democrats already looked weak after what the GOP did with the terror issue and in the 2002 mid-term election.
America would rather have strength with wisdom, but given the choice between strength and weakness, they will default to the strength side every time.
We cannot acquiesce into a position of strength. The time has come for the democrats to fight for middle class or die. The administration has done everything to supply them with ammunition. Jobs, standard of living, outsourcing, all opportunities to reach the national majority. The democrats need to scream bloody murder every time they convene. If the democrats do not demonstrate strength in leadership from their minority position now, the republicans will begin assuming both sides of the political equation for voters. They will give us our choice of centrist or ultra-conservative. There is no democrat ferry that is protecting us from being beaten. They will take it all and make us pay for our own burial if we don't fight now.

[ClearMessage]

63. Kerry had his chance.

It doesn't get easier than running against someone like Bush who ran a mismanaged, illegal war based on lies, ruined the economy and talks like a moron.

If Kerry couldn't crush Bush, what chance will he have against a nominee that could actually speak in complete sentences, and has less baggage than Bush?

Kerry had his chance, we need someone strong like Dean or Spitzer.

[quinnox]

40. If Kerry is the nominee, I will be pleased to cast a vote for him in 2008

I continue to think he would make an outstanding president.

I'm not sure what the field will be in 2008 but I would back Hillary Clinton over Kerry if she entered the fray.

I just think it is time to give a woman a shot at the presidency.

However, I still think Kerry is great and would have no reservations voting for him again should he win the nomination.

[Virginia Dem]

48. wont vote for Kerry or ANY OTHER candidate that caves to TM's strategy

I'll go green first

[Dr Fate]

46. I'll only support people who can tell the truth about Republicans.

Example: If the republicans tell a lie, then I will support the candidate who comes out, looks Wolf Fucking Blitzer in the eye and says "The Republicans are lying again, and you are covering for them. Why did you "forget" to cover that?"

When Republicans do somthing against the law, I will only spport candidtes who go on TV, look Judy Fucking Woodruff in the eye and say "The Republicans are criminals, and for some reason tyou keep "forgetting" to cover this story."

Looks like I'll be writing in Micheal Moore or a Dennis Kusinich type in 2008- or perhaps a Libertarian or Green.

I'm fed up, I'm only supporting people who can tell the blunt truth.

[oasis]

61. I'll get behind a truth teller. We are getting nowhere with milquetoast.

:-(

[oasis]

62. I'll get behind a truth teller. We are getting nowhere with milquetoast.

:-(

[Clarkie1]

47. I'd vote for Clark or Dean before I'd vote for Kerry.

He put up a mediocre fight, and he lost.

No second chances.

[Selatius]

53. John Kerry MUST repudiate NAFTA and embrace FAIR TRADE

Otherwise, I will be very, very hard-pressed to vote for him again. Economics is where power lies. The social issues are often used as wedge issues to divide us, but economic issues are the most pressing matter right now because of corporatism. Economic issues is why most wars start anyway.

[cidliz2004]

57. Kerry has been in Washington for how long? Kerry has witnessed

-up close and personal- How many presidential races? He witnessed these races way on the inside of Washington for over 2 decades. If after two decades he couldn't put together a dominant and overwhelmingly successful campaign against a President with a TERRIBLE record, then I DON'T TRUST HIM TO RUN THIS COUNTRY while fighting the neocons as Clinton had to.

If you think staying with the same old' same old' is going to do it for you in 08', then I hope you are prepared for the same old' same old' results....Kerry not being able to pull out a win and fight for our vote.

[Guaranteed]

58. In the PRIMARIES??

Are you shitting me?

[Floydian Slip]

59. might as well

stop thinking about Kerry, nowadays when someone loses an election for President its basically the end of their career. The country isn't like it used to be, in 2008 he will be 'the guy who lost last time'.

The Democrat Party needs to find new blood

[GRLMGC]

60. Democratic

I'm not trying to sound snobby. It's just a pet peeve of mine.

[Tinoire]

64. Is he against this war yet? Some mistakes can NOT be undone.

I wanted filet mignon. The DLC forced a ham sandwich on me. For fear of going hungry, I ate that ham sandwich.

Been sick to my stomach ever since.

Never again.