The bright side: Bush and Republicans get to clean up their own mess

[ecstatic]

I know many of us are still hoping for a surprise Kerry victory... But if not, I've already begun looking on the bright side. Bush is already pushing through an extreme agenda, which the sleeping public will have no choice but to recognize over the next few years. The mess in Iraq, the tampering with Pell grants, social securty, sending our jobs overseas, and encouraging cheap labor within our own borders.

Believe me, if the Bushits continue on the path they are on now, no amount of vote fraud in the world will convince Americans (even those of us with low IQs) of a Republican victory come '08. Think about it.

[Lerkfish]

1. The problem is: it won't matter if election fraud is unchallenged.

it won't matter if people wake up or not, if their votes are controlled.

think about it.

[ecstatic]

5. Oh it would be challenged

Assuming we're at or close to being a Third World country by '08-we'll fight just like any other people living under such conditions. The problem is, many Americans have it too easy nowadays. So easy that people don't even find it necessary to vote.

[Lerkfish]

10. you're making my point for me: If can't be bothered to vote, then...

can't be bothered to mass challenge fraud.

Apathy is a republican's best friend.

[FloridaPat]

2. You're assuming that we will have an election in 08 and that we

will even have a country in 08. What's going to happen when there are no jobs, no factories, no money, and the country goes bankrupt? There just might not be anything left in 08. Look how much they've destroyed in the last 4 years.

[Justitia]

3. I know what you are saying,although I'm not as confident of the citizenry

But I heartily agree that the only positive side is that BushCo will be forced to clean up their own crap (at least in the next 4 yrs).

During the election, I lamented that it would be a Dem admin that would working so hard on repairing the damage of BushCo - I hated the idea that a Dem admin would spend precious time doing so.

Unfortunately, I have lost a lot of faith in the voting public and surmise they have the attention span of gnats, so I don't know how much they will self-correct by '08.

In the same vein, I think it will have to get much worse before it gets better, and once again, unfortunately, I think BushCo is up to the challenge.

As another DUer once said "he's your chimp, you clean up his shit".

[damntexdem]

4. Once America is far enough down the drain, ...

can even a re-awakened populace drag it back out? Even if the popular vote is allowed to count, will it matter once enough damange has been done? More importantly, how can we act to limit the damage the Rethugs will do in the coming years?

[ecstatic]

8. We need to make sure that every BS legislation passed

has the Republican signature all over it. We need to get the American people to associate the Republican party with suffering. What we've been doing is whining a little, going along with it a little, and preventing too much Republican damage-- but behind the scenes. Therefore, we in a sense help the Republicans look better by cleaning up their mess. Maybe we should wait until the damage is done to clean it up?

[kentuck]

6. The boy has dug himself into a deep hole...

He's looking for spare change under the couch pillows...

[ktowntennesseedem]

7. It is a bright side, but I wonder if it will be bright enough.

The Bushies are very good at ignoring reality (i.e. denying that there is any mess) and at passing blame (i.e. saying the mess is Bill Clinton's/John Kerry's/Ted Kennedy's/name-your-favorite-liberal's fault).

It will take a ground-swell effort from the people to change things, and it will really have to be a big mess before enough people will notice and begin to make those necessary changes.

I do believe, however, that things will in fact get that bad. I just hope those of us who already see the mess can endure it long enough until others who are slower to be enlightened can join us.

[Benhurst]

9. Our only hope is to have the next president chosen on

American Idol. You know how upset the American public gets if there is even the hint of corruption during one of its elections.

[ecstatic]

12. haha

you're right! LOL

[indepat]

11. No amount of vote fraud in the world should have made it close in 2004

for we the people had all the necessary information to have made informed decisions.

[jswordy]

13. Anybody who hopes for a surprise Kerry win...

...is not only delusional, he or she is impeding the real work that needs to be done for the future of our party. This idea that Kerry will still win is a huge distraction at this point. While I (and apparently John Edwards) think Kerry was a fool for throwing in the towel so early on and he may indeed have won had he not done that, George W. Bush will be inaugurated, so get over it and start working on what we need to do to become the kind of tough, scrappy party that can win again.

I agree that it is a nice thought that the GOP will now have to deal with the mess created in Bushterm #1. And there will be little blame this time that they can place on Democrats, who have miniscule real power in the new 109th Congress.

As I said in another post on another thread, to assume the prejudice that political beliefs are a function of IQ is a blind alley. I firmly believe that a significantly large part of the Democratic Party's image problem with the general public is that we too often appear to be looking down our patrician noses at folks and telling them we know best because we're smarter than you. The Republicans draw a contrast with that by assuming the "just like folks" patina. That is a recipe for continued Democratic disaster at the ballot boxes.

Our "leadership" continues to do this at present, droning on about how it will manipulate the party's message to be more tolerable by the masses. In other words, "we'll work out a way to pander to you folks, because we are smarter than you."

Uh, instead of hearing Donna Brazille, Al From and the like spew that kind of garbage, how about having the party realign with its constituency? You know, actually get down there with the folks and find out what they think?

Naaaaah...the Democratic elite is so smart, they already know what needs to be done!

ROFL. Uh, would that be, RUN TO THE RIGHT? ROFL.

[GOPBasher]

14. I agree with you completely. BUT,

we really need to fix the black box voting machine problem by 2006. That needs to be our goal.