DRAFTy in here... Remember when bush said "If we don't stop

[LynnTheDem]

extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road."

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/debates/transcripts/u221003.html

And then bush said:

"We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030306-8.html

Well...it looks like bush's latter remark has now caused bush's former remark. In other words, we are WAAAY down that road.

Col. Hackworth: recruiting's tanked -- the draft's next
http://plutonium-page.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/8/20440/1036

Hackworth; Drafting Kids
http://www.military.com/Opinions/0,,Hackworth_100404,00.html

U.S. general warns Army Reserve is being 'broken'
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N05504230.htm

Brethren Agree to Revive 'Alternative Service' Draft Programs
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/158/story_15893_1.html

Senator (R) says US may need compulsory service to boost Iraq force
http://www.spacewar.com/2004/040420154719.soi8dhtt.html

Illness taking grim toll at nation's boot camps
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002136521_bootcamp31m.html

An army's morale on the downswing
http://www.iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=/articles/2004/12/28/news/edpfaff.html

The pattern of discontent in US ranks
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1216/p01s01-usmi.html?s=u2

Impress... coercing one into military service is the word for today
http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2005/01/03/news/opinion/1edmon103.txt

Deserters: We Won't Go To Iraq
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/06/60II/main659336.shtml

Old Soldiers Back On Duty
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/03/60minutes/main658994.shtml

National Guard Recruitment Plunges
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/16/national/main661555.shtml

Guard, Reserve showing strains; Experts predict serious problems
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04353/428818.stm

Coming up short for the "all volunteer" Army
http://www.jimgilliam.com/2004/10/coming_up_short_for_the_all_volunteer_army.php

Former GIs Ordered to War, Fight Not to Go
http://www.copvcia.com/free/ww3/111804_former_GIS.shtml

Many former US soldiers balk at involuntary return to duty
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040929/news_1n29late.html

No need for a draft coz our troops are coming HOME SOON??? Nooooo...

US military hints at staying in Afghanistan for decades
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-01/03/content_2411354.htm

Rumsfeld; Iraq troops through 2008
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/06/international/middleeast/06cnd-rums.html?ex=1105074000&en=a1601aadd951941f&ei=5070

Oh yes I know...bush said he would NOT draft. He also said he would NOT touch social security...and he WOULD go to the UN for a 2nd vote "no matter what"...and he NEVER said he didn't care about OBL...and he didn't have wood...and he continued to fly with his unit for several more years...and Social Security would be bankrupt by 1988...and he didn't know that Ken Lay person...

[bluestateguy]

1. Bush won't bring back the draft because he won't call it a "draft"

It will be "national service" or the "citzen corps" or the "patriot corps" or some nonsense. In the end, of course, it will function as a draft, especially for young people who are not well-connected.

One way to do it would be to say to any college student who wants a Pell Grant or a Direct Loan for college that he has to serve in the military for two years. The Bush gang will then be able to claim that the students made a "choice" to take the money and, hence, "volunteered" to join the military (and get sent to Iraq/Iran/Syria/Afghanistan).

[KingChicken]

2. Yeah, its slavery for the young...

There are too many idiot conservatives who support this kind of thinking, drafting the youth into military style community work programs. The old fashion conservatives believe that all young people are wild and need to be slaves for a while to teach them some structure.

They will give you a token collage scholarship and send you off after wasting the best years of your life, which all the collage money in the world can't bring back. '

I've heard similar lines of thinking come up over and over again even before this war, there are a lot of people in this country who see the young as a easy group to take advantage of.

[jimshoes]

3. And then

see if you get out in two years.

[LynnTheDem]

4. Agreed. But a draft by any other name...

is still gonna get kids' asses blown off.

Way to go, bush. You've managed to pretty much destroy the best military the world has ever seen.

Remember too when bush attacked Clinton at the 2000 Republican National Convention that two of the Army’s 10 divisions were not ready to fight?

Bush had said: “If called on by the commander-in-chief today, two entire divisions of the Army would have to report ‘Not ready for duty, sir.’”

But Maj. Thomas Collins, an Army spokesman, told CNN: “All 10 Army divisions are combat-ready, fully able to meet their war-fighting mission.”

Well GUESS WHAT NOW???

Thanks to BUSH, we now have THREE ENTIRE DIVISIONS not ready for duty.

MORE THAN ONE-THIRD of our forces classified as UNFIT TO FIGHT.

For the FIRST TIME EVER.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0515-05.htm

THIS is what happens when an AWOL and a bunch of old men who have NEVER served decide to ignore all advice from those who have served, and wage their political agenda wars.

[Pathwalker]

6. Lesson #2 of Vietnam: Never, never let the politicians

run a war. That is what the Military does.

Somewhere between Gulf War One and now, this nation forgot that lesson. So, we must learn it again - the hard way.

[LynnTheDem]

7. Yep and ESPECIALLY when they're draft-dodging AWOL STUPID polis

bush has TRASHED our military!!!

Coming up on 1400 DEAD.

Over 10,000 COMBAT RIPPED FRIGGING APART.

Another 40,000 SICK.

An estimated 100,000 EMOTIONALLY AND MENTALLY DAMAGED & SCARRED.

God DAMN him.

[unpossibles]

5. The Ministry of Freedom Spreading perhaps? n/t