Thinking about it fully....

[Nikepallas]

The big day is tomorrow and God and Goddess knows I would LOVE to see this election challenge but it forces me to think a little 1984ish...

Okay, it is challenged and the Senate is forced to vote. Even with this happening and perhaps a few Republicans on our side BUSHCO is probably going to win and yes Randi is right that it would make a TRUE statement and stain on the terms of Bush BUT I can't help but wonder or even start to worry about the actions Bush and BUSHCO would take out of spite for the challenge.

I just thought I would throw this out not to rain on anyone's day but just to start a conversation or thought on this.

[autorank]

1. What, like steal two Presidential Elections?

They can't do any more than steal elections. It's now a zero-sum game for them. All they can do is steal more elections. If we continue to roll over, if our candidates act like they own our right to vote, it we behave like scared little children, we are toast, with all due respect.

[Dr Fate]

2. Bush/media will lie, attack and smear DEMS no matter what we do...

...Just ask Max Cleland or Tom Daschele how well the " meekly go along with Bush/media" strategy worked for them.

I disagree- they will smear, attack and lie about us no matter what we do.

Of COURSE Bush/media will attack DEMS if they tell the truth tomorrow- but they will do that anyway-just like always- so we might as well give them a fight.

[jaime_176]

3. They don't need anymore spite.

They've got enough already. They're going to do to us what they've got planned to do, anyway. I'm truly not concerned that they could do anything worse than they are already doing, or plan to do. We have to take a stand. All persons who value democracy should take a stand. So maybe they know we care. Our citizenry has become too apathetic. This is something worth standing for. Perhaps it will encourage our Congresspersons to respond to their constituencies and work for them, not for the corporations or for the wealthy lobbyists. I don't see much being done to represent me lately, do you?

[Nikepallas]

4. I agree we need to take a stand and I only brought up this question b/c of

a comment a friend of mine made.

[kwolf68]

5. I still hold out no hope

Despite the rumblings of voting problems, don't tell me there isn't at least one Liberal or HONEST person who knows what happened in Ohio.

Kerry's team can't find much...I've read through all the voting fraud issues and I can't see anything of sheer perversion...like the Voting machines being programmed to change votes. I find it hard to believe 140,000 KNOWN Democrats were harrassed out the polling places.

Since the early flurry of voting result issues, we've had nothing.

And don't be calling me a freeper or anything...My credentials here are solid...I guess I'm just tired of getting my hopes up here on DU. Unlike the first 4 years, I honestly can't stomach to even look at this motherfucker we have in the White House. At least the first 4 years I could look at him knowing he was such a dimbulb that we'd get him out of there.

Yes, it does seem strange that this charlatan won by 3 million votes when last time he needed an "activist" court to install him. COnsidering what a debacle he has been as President, that makes no sense. I am still at a loss over * being re-installed, but I honestly believe that more people voted for him than did Kerry.

I believe this, because I am not impressed with my fellow Americans.

[jaime_176]

6. I understand

but I do want to believe better of people. Though I do think this administration used every trick in the propaganda book---see www.propagandacritic.com, and they despicably laid the fear appeals on heavy, so I can understand how some people who might be uneducated about such tactics, or ignorant of what bush actually suppports (google PIPA report), could be suckered. What con men!! I've never heard a president or his spokespersons say the same "nothing" so repetitively and with so much conviction when they were on the campaign trail, except for the nasty bits about Kerry, and the self-adulation. Once he thinks he's be-throned, however, it's "I've earned a lot of political capital in this campaign, and I intend to use it". I wish I did not feel the way I do about this man. It hurts.

[cry baby]

7. What do you "hold out no hope" about? Sending * packing or

getting the debate started about voter irregularities and suppression?

[dreamcollector]

8. IMPOSSIBLE THERE AREN"T THAT MANY DUMB AMERICANS

Bush didn't win. I should know, I'm Canadian. (But I agree that quite a significant percentage are dumb.)