DeLay said the Democratic party is all but dead, & by the sounds of you,

[mtnsnake]

half of you believe that jackass. It's not only that pisshead, DeLay, but all the right wing pukes that want you to become disenchanted with our party. Yup, it appears that the Repukes have you convinced the Democratic Party has both feet in the grave. All over this forum, I'm reading how the Democratic Party is useless; Hillary is an a-hole; Obama is bad; everyone is a traitor except Boxer; if so-and-so is elected head then it's all over; the party doesn't represent me; I'm getting out; blah blah blah. For Christs sake, I've heard nastier things about our own Party here lately than what you might hear coming from the mouths of freepers.

I can only imagine what our party would look like if it represented only what YOU think it should.

Wanna leave the party? Hey, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!

[warrior1]

1. I'm sorry

Did I miss them all standing to be counted with the republicans yesterday?

[el_gato]

2. how cute

[AntiCoup2K4]

3. The reason WHY this party has one foot in the grave.......

....is because neocon shitbag appeasers have taken it over completely.

If a party that agrees with PNAC traitors is what you want, then join THEIR party. But that is not the Democratic party, and it is time for those useless Bush-lite tutu wearing pussies to be thrown out.

[mtnsnake]

6. I agree w/you that we have some real pussies

but the way it sounds around here, lately, is like our party is all but washed up. People are all but claiming it's dead and gone and they're talking about leaving. If anything, this is the time to stand up for the Party.

Yes, we need to have our spokesmen grow some balls and change the entire framework of their rhetoric. I've long said that we need to get spokesmen who are tougher, but to talk about totally abandoning the party is going a little too far. I'm for changing it, not abandonding it or running it entirely into the ground. There are some positives about our party, believe it or not

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

4. I agree. I think half of DU has lost its fucking mind.

A few people here seem to think every Democrat should espouse every single one of their own beliefs.

[jackster]

5. then you'll keep losing elections

until you realize that the Democratic Party needs a revolution.

[mtnsnake]

8. Revolutionizing the party is a hell of a lot more constructive

than abandoning it and giving up on it.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

9. No, it doesn't need a revolution.

You make it sound like we got thumped. We lost by around 100,000 votes. It was the smallest margin of re-election by a President at very least in the last 100, if not in history. We only need a tweak, not a wholesale change.

[IrateCitizen]

11. We lost by close to 3 million...

... to a President with approval ratings in the high 40's at the time of the election. We also got thumped in Senate and House races.

By your logic that we only lost by 100,000 votes, it could be said that Bush won in 2000 by 400-500 votes, when we all know he lost by 500,000.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

14. No, we did not.

We lost ground in the Senate predominately in the South, which let's face it, everyone knew we were going to lose. And the people we lost in those places were Dem-lites anyway.

And the count of votes we lost by really doesn't matter - the point was that they were both extremely close elections. A small change here or there could've completely turned the outcome.

[IrateCitizen]

15. Either way, we still lost ground...

We lost ground in the Senate predominately in the South, which let's face it, everyone knew we were going to lose. And the people we lost in those places were Dem-lites anyway.

This only helps to support my point. No matter how you spin it, we LOST ground in 2004. Hell, we even lost our sitting Senate Leader -- of course, the case could be made for him as a "Dem-lite" as well.

Like I said below, the national party is a rotting corpse. That corpse must be kicked to the curb for the party to be made anew. I'm hopeful that it won't be too long with the election of someone like Barack Obama, but I'm similarly not confident when I see the election of someone like Harry Reid as Minority Leader.

[IrateCitizen]

7. On the national level, it's little more than a rotting corpse

Hopefully the election of Barack Obama is just the beginning of jettisoning that rotting corpse and recreating the Party, from the bottom up.

Of course, with the election of Harry "Mr. Rogers" Reid to Minority Leader, I'm not confident that the corpse has begun to stink badly enough just yet.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

10. Disenchanted? Years ago. Try disgusted enough to leave.

The Democratic "leaders" keep rolling over to the right and wonder why they lose elections and why many of us have given up on the corruption of the DLC/DNC.

They have become the junior member of the capitalist coalition party.

It's time to join the opposition. For me, the Greens have a platform that I can embrace rather than endure.

[warrior1]

12. People

are going to get tired of being on a losing team, time and time again. So yes, many people are just going to leave this party, because there doesn't seem to be a difference between the two.

[mtnsnake]

13. I don't blame you for how you feel, but I think it's better to

stick with the Demcratic Party and find ways to make IT a little more Green.

If only the Green Party had the numbers that the Democratic Party has, then perhaps I'd be right with you. But they don't.

[Moderator]

16. Locking...

Flamebait.

Thank you for your understanding.
-DU Moderator

[robbedvoter]

17. Our reasons differ a bit, but yeah....it's dead.

And Boxer is not the only honorable democrat. off hand, I'll add the reps
Rep. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones

Rep. John Conyers
Rep. Corrine Brown
Rep. Julia Carson
Rep. Bill Clay
Rep. James Clyburn
Rep. Danny Davis
Rep. Lane Evans
Rep. Bob Filner
Rep. Raul Grijalva
Rep. Alcee Hastings
Rep. Maurice Hinchey
Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr.
Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee
Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson
Rep. Carolyn Kilpatrick
Rep. Dennis Kucinich
Rep. Barbara Lee
Rep. John Lewis
Rep. Ed Markey
Rep. Cynthia McKinney
Rep. John Olver
Rep. Major Owens
Rep. Frank Pallone
Rep. Donald Payne
Rep. Jan Schakowsky
Rep. Bennie Thompson
Rep. Maxine Waters
Rep. Diane Watson
Rep. Lynn Woolsey
The Democratic staff of the House Judiciary Committee
and maybe a few other decent souls elsewhere. But the party cannot stand for democracy - it's very name is a misnomer.