I'm the first to say it: Barbara Boxer is a DINO, with strong DLC ties-

[Rowdyboy]

Yeah, I know, she's DU's "flavor of the week" but she is tainted as hell!

Fact: Boxer voted for the Patriot Act

She only has a 60%-70% rating from the ACLU-she's wrong over 30% of the time
She has a 22% rating from the Chamber of Commerce. In other words, in 1 in 5 votes, she sells out.
She voted for 1.15 million for COPS program, and we all know law enforcement is corrupt.
She voted to deploy National Missile Defense in 1998
She supported air strikes in Kosovo in 1999-innocent civilians died.
She only has a 78% rating from various animal rights organizations, indicating problems in her record.
Taxpayer for Common Sense (a right-wing group) gave her a 45% rating

Worst of all, she has STRONG DLC ties. While Senator Boxer herself is no an open DLC member, her daughter is married to Hugh Rodham, the brother of noted DLCer Hillary Clinton, wife of former DLC head, Bill Clinton

She's nothing but a right-wing shill, right?

Just check out her record....

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=S0105103

<<<Sarcasm off-Barbara Boxer is a genuine hero and I'm very proud of her today. However, its very easy to smear people using "facts". This was my only point. Be careful what you fall for>>>

[BlueEyedSon]

1. She ain't perfect but she is one of the best we've got.

[Padme Amidala]

14. She voted against the war in Iraq.

Everyone makes mistakes. She's shown that she can rise above them when the people come calling.

[genius]

63. She also opposed NAFTA.

If she's a DINO what are Kerry, Edwards, Gephardt and Dean?

[SmokingJacket]

2. It's true, nobody's as "pure" as some would wish.

I think the left's quest for absolute perfection is our downfall.

There's a guy in our town protesting our health food store because some of the food has processed sugar in it.

Sigh. I take what I can get. Boxer IS a hero.

[InvisibleBallots]

3. 22% rating from the Chamber of Commerce? - that's a GREAT endorsement!

The fact that the Chamber of Commerce is against her 4 out of 5 times means Barbara Boxer is okay in my book.

[hilster]

4. DLC evil-doer, ooooooh

Very well done.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

5. Hero?

Heroine? I hardly think so.

If you think yesterday's show wasn't choreographed and scripted and played out exactly as everyone agreed, you're watching a different Congress than I. What I saw was the women once again getting the crumbs, getting their little moment in the spotlight, and then it's back to living under the Big White Guys' shadow. It was meaningless, it will go nowhere, and, the Girls fell for it, so excited were they at being allowed to use the front door.

I'm so sick of women settling for symbols and lesser roles. I'm so sick of women letting themselves be used.

Barbara Boxer is the Neville Chamberlain of our day, and she can't appease the cons and neocons fast enough. She may be a Democrat, but she's hardly my idea of a democrat.

That whole charade yesterday was nothing more than street theater by trained monkeys.

[Rowdyboy]

8. Sorry, I thought "heroine" was no longer used-like "actress"

I, and many others, consider Senator Boxer a hero. You consider her a fool and a pawn. Where shall we go from here?

[OldLeftieLawyer]

32. How about.........

......we dance?

And agree to disagree?

[Webster Green]

10. Whatever, Debbie Downer!

What the hell are you doing other than trashing the only Senator gutsy enough to stand up to the fascists?

[OldLeftieLawyer]

34. I was expressing my opinion

After a lifetime as a Washington lawyer, I have opinions and an understanding of how things work here.

So, I'm not allowed to express my opinion unless it agrees with others'?

Why is that?

[a kennedy]

33. Tell a newbie OldLefiteLawyer........who's your favorite Dem,

and give some examples of why???

[OldLeftieLawyer]

35. My favorite Democrat?

Well, me, of course.

[Nikepallas]

6. Okay so if the past is true maybe she is seeing the truth and trying to

change. In other words her heart was in the right place.


OR


She knows some major shit is going to be discovered and wanted to jump ship

EITHER WAY

She should up when she could have just ignored it and that does need to be acknowledge.

I prefer to think it is the former but if it ends up being the Jumping the ship I won't fight the egg getting thrown in my face.

[bluestateguy]

7. I believe her daughter and Hugh Rodham are now divorced

and good thing too. Hugh seems like a real piece of work.

Boxer has her flaws--I don't agree with her militant gun control stance--but she has served the people of her state well and took great courage in rising to challenge the Ohio electoral votes.

[Mojambo]

9. The DLC/liberal wing split really should have nothing to do

with the voting rights issue.

Both sides of the democratic party suffer under a fraudulent voting system. The DLC may want to pursue policies that are republican light, but they DO want to pursue them and you can't do that if you're not in office. The DLC gains nothing by allowing it to happen.

[FightinNewDem]

70. DLC and Election Reform

The DLC has been outspoken in calling for election reforms:

http://www.newdonkey.com/2005/01/imperative-of-election-reform.html

http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=131&subid=192&contentid=253101

http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253099&subid=116&kaid=104

[InvisibleBallots]

75. from first your link, not a word about paper ballots

DLC is full of hot air and sloganeering, short on substance it seems. Actually, most people on DU know this quite well, being rather well informed compared to many.

[Lefty48197]

11. Your list sounds like a badge of honor

The Kosovo airstrikes were the best use of the US military since the Berlin air lifts. Bravo Barbara.

[Rowdyboy]

15. I agree

See the last line of my initial thread.

[Lefty48197]

60. I did read it.

I admit I was fooled by most of your post, and I had basically written my response before I figured it out. I figured my language was soft enough to leave as is.

[Clark2008]

16. Yeah! Someone who "gets it!"

:)

[oneold1-4u]

12. How is it?

That Dems and DUers can use someone to stand for their benefit one day and trash them the next? What kind of people are we who believe we could ever do better than the regime now in power? Trash has a benign design to create more trash and that will never gain a place except in the great dumpster. I for one don't wish to go there!!!
In 3 score+ years I am ashamed of the US under the existing regime, but if anyone else has only the same designs then I won't wish to remain a citizen of this country. (It will no longer be considered a nation)

[Padme Amidala]

13. And she was the only Senator who listened to us.

Imagine what we could get her to do next.

[Lenape85]

17. Actually, Taxpayers for Common Sense is a bipartisan organization

I understand you were being sarcastic, but TCS is not like the CFG or NTU.

[Rowdyboy]

18. I know Taxpayers for Common Sense is bipartisan but

Their endorsements tend to tilt heavily right. Anyway, I was mostly being sarcastic.

[propagandafreegal]

19. Hugh Rodham must hav e very young wife, no?? nm

[Rowdyboy]

22. Actually, it was Hillary's youngest brother Tony, born in 1954, not Hugh..

Nicole was probably 10-15 years younger...

[propagandafreegal]

39. Thanks for the clarification nm

[madfloridian]

20. Most of us have a gripe with the reason for the DLC founding.

And with the leadership. I have posted many times about their reasons....most of the members did not really have a clue. Gore found out the hard way in 2000.. Others are waking up now to the corporate friendly leadership....too corporate friendly.

[wyldwolf]

58. "most of us?" You have a survey on this?

[leyton]

21. She's practically a Republican!

Excellent satire.

[Rowdyboy]

23. Thank you, thank you, thank you

It really helps when people get the point....

:toast:

[Maddy McCall]

24. Remember when Mary Landrieu was the flavor of the week?

I agree, bud. You can find fault with anyone. :hug: :loveya:

[Rowdyboy]

26. Of course! Her record is HORRIBLE!!!!!

http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Mary_Landrieu.htm

How dare she have independant opinions!

[high density]

25. "One in five votes, she sells out(!)"

hah! Did you believe that shit the Republicans were saying about John Kerry, too? :crazy:

To me, that voting record looks like a senator that is on our side.

[Rowdyboy]

28. Re-read the thread

You and I are on the same side....

[high density]

Sorry dude

Didn't read the sarcasm off line. :)

:o

[elshiva]

30. Barbara Boxer is a hero,

but she's still human. I like her but I don't agree with her on everything.

[Vadem]

27. Oh, for G_d's sake Rowdy! I couldn't even read your post!!!!. I've

got to have some positive something to do! I'm so depressed already, over the fact that they stole it again! Jeeze, don't make me have unhappy thoughts and feelings about our Barbara!!!!

Thanks, anyway!

[Rowdyboy]

29. The whole point is for you to read til the end so you can see

that its a farce. I adore Barbara Boxer and consider her a hero.

We're on the SAME SIDE!!!

[Vadem]

31. G_d bless you, Rowdyboy!!!! You're right,...I couldn't go further than...

the first few words before sending you a plea for Uncle! I still haven't read your original post, only your response! I believe you and will forthwith read the original post! Love ya!

[fnottr]

36. And the sad thing is...

I thought you were completely serious (at least until I got to the part about her daughter) The Pukes are going to do a good enough job of trying to beat us up over the next 4 years, we don't need to beat ourselves up for them. I'm not saying we should have blind faith in every democrat that's currently serving, but a little solidarity would do us good, no?

[Pallas180]

37. Wow. How about comparing Boxer to Dennis Hastert..?

the way you paint her, she's Hitler...and damn, she's associated with
the Clinton's.

DUH.

Hello? Where are you coming from?

And are you listening to Faux news and Limbaugh and freep sites, cause
you sure sound like one of them.

[Rowdyboy]

38. Pallas, Pallas, Pallas....

Read the last line in the post. I LOVE Barbara Boxer and I'm proud of her actions. I'm just sick at how DU goes about tearing down every Democrat who holds office.

[QC]

46. A lot of people seem to be irony-challenged, don't they? n/t

[greenohio]

40. More and more sane posts. This is awesome.

Yes, you can find fault with anyone and we need to hang together. We need to lay off our moderate bretheren.

[xultar]

41. By the time they finish purging the evil DLC there will be no one left to

turn off the lights.

[greenohio]

42. Well put. This whole Stalin purge thing has been going on for

3 months now. Its getting kind of old.

[rman]

44. not all DLC-ers are alike

much like not all democrats are alike.

any 'purging' should be done on a case by case bases, and should probably not be limited to DLC-ers.

[greenohio]

45. So who is on your purge list

Kerry? Rendell, Feinstien, Dodd?

[rman]

48. noone in particular

I'm not well informed about the individuals there.

But it's clear that the DLC as an organisation is pushing RW policies against the interest of dem voters. In the end it is individuals who do the pushing. Presumably an actual DLC member is more suspect then someone "with ties to" the DLC.

Ideally any purging would be by means of the democratic process, possible only once corporate control over the media has been eliminated. With an independent press the people would be well informed so they'd know who to vote for to represent their interests as opposed to corporate interests.

[greenohio]

61. " DLC as an organisation is pushing RW policies "

Do you have a list of those. I hear a lot of generalities. Which ones bother you the most?

[Oversea Visitor]

43. Very Clear to me she is her own woman

Her record prove it. She is not trying to please anyone she will do what she feels is right.

She has courage and self respect. I dont think she cares about how people think of her, but more so on what is right.

Her admission that she feels she was wrong not to stand up in 2000 shows her character. I believe Al Gore must have work hard to stop her from standing up. I also think she was under a lot of pressure not too this time too.

[xultar]

47. Don't you think there are others who are DLC who are also their own

person? Why must we assume that everyone is the same way. We should take people as individuals. IT's the regressives who apply stereotypes to all people of a particular group.

[Rowdyboy]

49. Just off the top of my head, DLC includes Clinton, Feinstein, Carper,

Kerry, Bill Nelson, Ben Nelson, Cantwell, Lieberman, Tim Johnson, Pryor, Biden, Landrieu, Bayh, and Reid.

If we "purge" those guys, we're down to 30 Democrats in the Senate-but, hey, they're DLC so they must be as bad as Republicans, right? I've even seen posters bashing Barack Obama, who's been in the senate for less than a week and promises to be a leader on the left. How the hell can you ever satisfy people like that? And, more importantly, why even try? 90% of them have no intention of voting for a Democrat anyway.

[xultar]

53. When I see posts wanting to purge the folks you mentioned that is

the only time I really hate DU.

I challenge any one here to find a candidate in any party that matches their stand on issues 100%.

[Vinnie From Indy]

50. Nice Post

(sarcasm on)

Your posting technique of using a hysterical, deceptive headline as a means to get people to read your post is becoming common around here. Just think, pretty soon, all the posts will have hysterical "look at me" headlines that have nothing to do with the content of the message. Won't that be fun wading through dozens and dozens of posts just like yours. Just think of the fun you can provide all of us with your clever, but unoriginal, idea of writing deceptive headlines.

[Rowdyboy]

51. The point is tthat people cherry-pick a few votes from a career

and use that cheap method to tear down Democrats. I'm damned tired of coming to a Democratic board and hearing how rotten and worthless Democrats are.

If you don't like my "posting technique", feel free to put me on "ignore". Thats what the function is for.

[Vinnie From Indy]

52. I will Agree with That! n/t

[BenZona]

54. I'm glad

I'm glad I read your whole post. Otherwise, I would have had to bitch slip you.

[Rowdyboy]

66. I'm glad you did too!

Welcome to DU :toast:

[XemaSab]

55. I was about to come over to your house

and give you a solid beat-down.

Barbara's my homegirl...

[nostamj]

56. excellent post!

nobody's perfect. but I was DAMN proud of her (and Tubbs-Jones).

[IronLionZion]

57. Yes, all Democrats should be attacked and shit on

That's the way to be. :eyes:
/sarcasm

I agree with you. You can use just about anything to attack someone but it's completely useless and self-defeating. I am thrilled that we "have a senator" to stand up for what is right.

Anyone who decides who to support based one or two or even a few "facts" is an idiot and unworthy of the right to vote. Candidates have a lifetime of actions, votes, experiences, etc. that define who they are.

[Q]

59. You can use facts to paint any kind of picture you want...

...but you can also use lies and half-truths. Her connection to the DLC is her daughter? That's the 'strong ties'?

Another strange and kind of silly attempt to deflect criticism away from the DLC by showing other Dems 'association' with them. Bush has a closer relationship to bin Laden that Boxer has to the DLC.

[greenohio]

62. How dare you defend someone with strong DLC ties!

Why try to cover this up? Don't you want HONEST representatives who support progressive values? Are you turning soft?

[NoPasaran]

64. She turned me into a newt!

[QC]

68. A newt? n/t

[NoPasaran]

69. I got better

[Hippo_Tron]

65. LAMO that's the funniest thing I've read all day

Yea man, fuck Boxer, she SUCKS!
:eyes:

[Rowdyboy]

67. Thanks!

It was meant to be just that-a satirical look at the way some posters on DU constantly tear down Democrats. I don't understand why they come to a Democratic board if they hate Democrats so much.

Thank God for Barbara Boxer! Only she had the cojones to stand up for all of us.

[ElectroPrincess]

71. Yes, this droll and IMO inane humor medium is sarcastic yet unappreciated

Sure I love satire as much as anyone else. However, with so many of us disappointed in many pansy-a**ed Democratic Leaders, it's IMO poor timing to be so damn veiled in one's sarcasm.

Suggestion: Try to be a little more OBVIOUS like AAR did once, "John Kerry stole my shoe." If you could kindly throw one bizarre example, then perhaps we would try to appreciate such sarcasm. However, as much as I hurt over the absence of our Democratic Leader's moral courage, such attempt on humor presently are not working for me :-)

The best pundit example is the narrative for "The Osgood Files" this past Tuesday ... just not appreciated because the wounds on other's disappointing us are way way too fresh - if not ONGOING in our face. :thumbsdown:

Below - very un-funny albeit biting sarcasm:

http://www.theosgoodfile.com/osgood/tues.htm

excerpt -

The committee didn't go as far as some of DeLay's critics - who called it bribery - and they didn't conclude that he'd actually broken rule number one, but they clearly thought the AROMA might cause Rule Number One to hold its nose.

So they scolded him. And now, with the new Congress in place and beginning to organize itself, the Republican leadership is floating a proposal … to change Rule Number One. Because they have discovered that Rule Number One is too strict. And, well, you have to admit it IS pretty strict - "a Member … of the House shall conduct himself at all times in a manner that reflects creditably…" At ALL times? Surely you should be allowed to stink up the place ONCE in a while.

And the rules are so OLD! Some date back to 1798, when the House almost kicked out a member from Vermont for spitting on another member during a vote. It's not as if DeLay spits on people.

But, you know, suppose he had to? I mean they're going to try to reform Social Security this session. You're not going to get YES votes for that playing Miss Manners. That's why men carry handkerchiefs.

---------
On edit: Corrected URL listing.

[Rowdyboy]

72. Sorry, but I could not imagine anyone actually believing Boxer is a DINO

She is the epitome of the most reliably liberal/progressive wing of the Democratic party. I assumed that people here were sophisticated enough to realize that the concept of Boxer as DINO/DLC was at the very least absurd. It would naturally follow that I (the author of the thread) was being sarcastic.

In other words, my sarcasm was hardly "veiled".

I'm sorry that you do not appreciate my attempt at pointing out how some posters here cannibilize Democrats. I actually like Democrats-thats why I come to Democratic Underground: to discuss them, not to denigrate and belittle them.

Again, sorry you didn't like the thread. Not everyone appreciates the same approach. I, myself, am rarely unnecessarily rude and abrasive to total strangers.

[iwantmycountryback]

73. Excuse me while I LMAO!!!!

You're not going to find anybody with a perfect record. How many DLC'ers voted against the IWR? How about NAFTA? Would any DLC'er even consider doing what she did Thursday? I'm looking at vote-smart, and she gets a 100% rating from Animal Rights groups for '03, and she had 78% in 01-02, and 100% in 00, so thanks for being misleading. She got that 45% rating in '02 from the Americans for Tax Reform, however in all other years for all groups the highest she gets is %16. Americans for Tax Reform gave her a 0% rating in 03. How about a 100% rating from the Human Rights Campaign? Getting nothing higher than 18% from Conservative groups? Her extremely high ratings from Labor? Her 90+ ratings from Liberal groups?

Your post is extremely misleading and nitpicky, and if you look at her overall record, she's about as liberal as they come.

[iwantmycountryback]

74. Oh sorry! HAHA, I just realized the end of your post!

Real sorry about that! Sometimes I get ahead of myself. :D

[Rowdyboy]

76. Don't we all! Believe me, I love Senator Boxer...I'm just tired of the

other Democrats are run down by some here! She is, in my opinion, one of the five best Dems in the senate.

Whats scary is that some posters (just one or two) AGREED with the idea. Thats really sick.